Pat

Granby, CT

#585755 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
You have a nasty habit of talking gibberish when you have nothing to resist or retort with.
<quoted text>
I guess its not contradictory. I see that now.
But if the limits you were born with prevent you from detecting light; how do you know that the light existed?
Was the existence of the light not made through logic and reasoning?
Were logic and reasoning not the influences that guided to creation of any tools to test or measure that light which is undetectable by the human senses?
And since we create devices from our knowledge; will the devices not reflect our limits and the limits of our knowledge?
Whether your statement was contradictory or not does not affect the validity of my claim that all you know is the processes that are occurring inside your body.
Your claim to know of an objective reality (especially "beyond human ability") is quite... naive and absurd.
<quoted text>
That limitation is automatically implied.
We are creatures of limited potentials and limited knowledge; who use that limited potential and knowledge to create things that are limited in their potentials.
<quoted text>
There that gibberish thing goes again.
As soon as you figure out what you mean by that; let me know so I can figure it out too.
"But if the limits you were born with prevent you from detecting light; how do you know that the light existed?"

You use your intellect to create a tool that do the job for you to see if they exist. You have a nasty habit of talking gibberish when you have nothing to resist or retort with.

"Was the existence of the light not made through logic and reasoning?"

The existence of light has nothing at all to do with your discovery or acceptance of it, if it exists it exists. You have a nasty habit of talking gibberish when you have nothing to resist or retort with.

"And since we create devices from our knowledge; will the devices not reflect our limits and the limits of our knowledge?"

Duh

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#585756 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm 25 by the way. How old are you?
Boy, was I ever wrong.

I figured you were either 15, or in your 80s.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585757 Jan 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
Never any god!
&fe ature=youtu.be

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#585758 Jan 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy, was I ever wrong.
I figured you were either 15, or in your 80s.
Ya...no concept of scientific hypothesis/theory/law.
Pat

Granby, CT

#585759 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
So let me get this straight; YOU EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE?
Are you using the lack of evidence as evidence in and of itself?
The polite way to refute that claim would be to say "that is the fallacy of argumentum ignorantiam; i.e. arguing from ignorance. You cant say that a thing does not exist because there is no evidence for it."
But I'm not going to go the polite way because I know you know better; YOU ARE A SMART GIRL.
I'm just going to call you a "POOPY HEAD".
<quoted text>
For your information, there was a time when nothing existed; and look what we have here today.
Where were trees and rocks and brains and minds and imaginations before the universe was formed?
They never existed.
So to believe in the possibility of the existence of whatever I imagine does not constitute insanity.
The belief that any thing is possible reflects a mind that is in harmony with the nature of a reality; a reality where things came into existence after just a Big-Bang.
<quoted text>
You obviously have an obsession with death that only God can help you with.
<quoted text>
We are DEATH DEFIERS, its as simple as that. We rebel against death and decay with an ever renewed/increasing will to live.
We look for possibilities of survival even in places where titanium would disintegrate.
My faith supports my will to live, but I wouldnt say that it drives it.
Have you read the Bible?
Jesu(s) said "greater love has no man than this: that he should give his life for a brother/friend".
Those are hardly the words of someone who fears death or encourages the fear of death.
Your obsession with death is however demonstrative of sever depression.
I hope you dont kill yourself before I get to... date you ;)
"So let me get this straight; YOU EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE?"

That is correct. If you are going to make a fantastical claim that you have invented an anti gravity machine then the burden is on you to prove it and if you offer no evidence to prove it I am justified in rejecting your claim so until YOU offer proof for your claim, the lack of evidence you provide speaks for itself.

"You cant say that a thing does not exist because there is no evidence for it."

When I claim god does not exist you can offer this argument, until then you are simply proving yourself to be a complete idiot.

"For your information, there was a time when nothing existed; and look what we have here today."

More unsubstantiated bs. You have no knowledge that there was once "nothing" so again you dishonest dunce you can stop lying now.

"The belief that any thing is possible reflects a mind that is in harmony with the nature of a reality;"

The belief that anything is possible is a baseless belief for we do not know that anything is possible. People who hold such a belief do nothing other than prove they can not make any distinction between fantasy and reality.

"Have you read the Bible?"

Yes, have you read the National Enquirer?

"Your obsession with death is however demonstrative of sever depression."

I am not obsessed with death and can face it honestly. You on the other hand have created an entire fantasy based world view around your death denial nonsense so if anybody is obsessed with death it is you.

"I hope you dont kill yourself before I get to... date you"

Are these your christian values shining through? I really do prick your conscience don't I? Good.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#585760 Jan 10, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Intelligent design is an argument from ignorance, not knowledge. It is equal to: Lookie here Jethro, ain't life complex? There must be a god! It's pure ignorance.
It is not the mere complexity of life that leads us to the conclusion my dear Patti Cake.

Its the fact that all this complexity works, that leads us to believe there is an intelligent influence involved.

And it cannot be an argument from ignorance because we do have evidence to support the claim.
Pat wrote:
"HOW COULD LIFE EMERGE SINCE DEATH IS SO SUPERIOR TO LIFE (you sound as if you embrace and glorify death)?"
I do not know exactly how life came to be and neither do you so you can stop pretending you do and admit to not knowing like an HONEST PERSON.
After you tell that to your scientific thinking fellow on here, you can come back to tell me.

They dont seem to share your sentiments.
Pat wrote:
...The present day result of the evolutionary process on earth has resulted in being you call intelligent. This does not imply that the initial chemical reactions or what ever it was that started the process of life on earth was caused by some kind of intelligence.
Uuuuuuuuuuh, yeah it kinda does.

Have you ever seen intelligence emerge by accident?

For intelligence and efficiency to emerge from blind mindless forces is like throwing some paint on a canvas and expecting a "Madonna" or to show up perfectly painted.

I will show you something:

When scientists first saw a figure on Mars that looked like a face, what did they assume: did they assume it was made by other beings or that it evolves into existence?

THE PERSON WHO THINKS THAT INTELLIGENCE EMERGED FROM NOTHING OR MINDLESS PROCESSES ALONE, CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO BE INTELLIGENT.
Pat wrote:
WE DO NOT KNOW. YOUR GOD IS YOUR IGNORANCE.
...
Man goes into the ground and rots after he dies. Explain to me how life after death is different from death if you lack the ability to experience it. We know that awareness requires working senses and a brain to process the information so if you lack awareness to experience it there is no point to any afterlife...
I dint say nor suggest that one lacks the ability to experience the life that comes after death; I suggested the nature of experiences may be different from the ones we have in this present state.

The nature of the experiences in the after-life may be such that memory is redundant/unnecessary.
Pat wrote:
The ASSUMING jackass is you who assumes you are going somehwere after death. Stop attributing your stupid onto me.
"I could tell you what you are open for, but you would probably report me to the forum moderator."
I have thick skin, give it a go.
You assume that life ends in death, which makes you an even bigger jackass; because that which is truly alive is never subject to death.

That which is truly alive will never die; thats what makes it lively.

I presume you will say there is no such that as a thing that cannot die; but I will point out to you that matter-energy cannot be created nor destroyed...

“Nothing can stop, This Pony..”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#585761 Jan 10, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy, was I ever wrong.
I figured you were either 15, or in your 80s.
That's still way too young , you know catcher some are barely scooted out from under mommy's apron at 25. They also have more testosterone than brains at that age. But this one must have been raised up by Westboro or something.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#585762 Jan 10, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
...That is false and having two words that mean teh very same things serves no functional purpose in the language. Faith may be a belief but it is an irrational belief as it relates to a god. Beliefs can also be rational and based upon knowledge...
"You dont need religion to believe in a thing, but faith is the belief of a thing (that it is x)."
Religious faith is a belief that lacks proof and to admit your belief requires faith is to admit that your belief can not stand on its own merits. In other words it's crap.
Did you like totally dodge English language class?

You obviously have never heard of "synonyms".

Faith is a belief like all other beliefs.

And the value of any belief is determined by its consistency with reality.

So as long as my faith is consistent with what I experience, then my faith is no less valid than the confidence a scientist places in a concept, theory or fact :P
God Himself

Germany

#585763 Jan 10, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
"So let me get this straight; YOU EVIDENCE IS NO EVIDENCE?"
That is correct. If you are going to make a fantastical claim that you have invented an anti gravity machine then the burden is on you to prove it and if you offer no evidence to prove it I am justified in rejecting your claim so until YOU offer proof for your claim, the lack of evidence you provide speaks for itself.
"You cant say that a thing does not exist because there is no evidence for it."
When I claim god does not exist you can offer this argument, until then you are simply proving yourself to be a complete idiot.
"For your information, there was a time when nothing existed; and look what we have here today."
More unsubstantiated bs. You have no knowledge that there was once "nothing" so again you dishonest dunce you can stop lying now.
"The belief that any thing is possible reflects a mind that is in harmony with the nature of a reality;"
The belief that anything is possible is a baseless belief for we do not know that anything is possible. People who hold such a belief do nothing other than prove they can not make any distinction between fantasy and reality.
"Have you read the Bible?"
Yes, have you read the National Enquirer?
"Your obsession with death is however demonstrative of sever depression."
I am not obsessed with death and can face it honestly. You on the other hand have created an entire fantasy based world view around your death denial nonsense so if anybody is obsessed with death it is you.
"I hope you dont kill yourself before I get to... date you"
Are these your christian values shining through? I really do prick your conscience don't I? Good.
I fart up your nose.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585764 Jan 10, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>
And cars have insurance. Thank you for proving our point.
Because cars are more dangerous and more valuable.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#585765 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the evidence to support your claim?:P
<quoted text>
When was the survey conducted; by whom was it conducted?
<quoted text>
You can see that the inability to detect the presence of a thing doesnt mean it does not exist; you suggested that is a recent post. So you too can use your brain properly to think positively and appreciate the concept that God exists too. Are you a dishonest hypocrite?
<quoted text>
Seriously?
How can God be about death denial when He created angels of death?
Do people believe there are aliens on Pluto? Do you?
<quoted text>
Try telling that to evolution theorists.
<quoted text>
Ok, you are so much against the spiritual and the hocus pocu, then you say something like "They consist of a kind of MAGIC aura"?
If you are going to use the word "Magic" why do you have a problem with God and leprechauns and aliens on Pluto?
Either you are suffering PMS issues or you just hate God too much to think rationally about Him.
<quoted text>
Oh you were quoting someone?
But Koestler is not the only person who studied the phenomena; why is it that his conclusion is the only one you present?
Is it that his conclusion is the only one that suits your interest?
If that is the case, I can play that game too:
"Researchers in Spain have found that many of the individuals claiming to see the aura of people –traditionally called "healers" or "quacks"– actually present the neuropsychological phenomenon known as "synesthesia" (specifically, "emotional synesthesia"). This might be a scientific explanation of their alleged "virtue". In synesthetes, the brain regions responsible for the processing of each type of sensory stimuli are intensely interconnected. This way, synesthetes can see or taste a sound, feel a taste, or associate people with a particular colour."
[http://old.richarddawkins.net /articles/645937-scientific-ev idence-proves-why-healers-see- the-aura-of-people]
Also notice the name on the top of the web page when you visit it: "RICHARD DAWKINS".
There are all different kinds of synesthesia.

Notice that the article gives no significance to the colors. Just that their brains are crosswired.
Pat

Granby, CT

#585766 Jan 10, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
Garbage.
Even if I desire to die, that would not take away my positiveness towards God.
As a matter of fact, I never worry about life after death; I only ask that when its time to die, God allows me to die in peace.
IT IS NOT DEATH THAT I FEAR IT IS SUFFERING THAT I HATE.
You think your little psychology class has prepared you to just refute and debunk the claims of the value of a belief in God to the human mind; but you are wrong.
But if you want to go all psychology I can do it too.
Science suggests that one day all the universe will dissolve into nothingness; it will literally grind to a halt.
So what does that make our efforts to advance scientifically, technologically and all those other -allys?
All our human pursuits are nothing more that a futile attempt to escape the inevitable demise that awaits all; regardless of its potential or status or value.
If I am only denying death; you are only trying to suppress the anxiety induced in your mind by contemplating the meaninglessness of your existence and all your pursuits and efforts, even on Topix.
"You think your little psychology class has prepared you to just refute and debunk the claims of the value of a belief in God to the human mind; but you are wrong."

Yet another baseless assumption for I am simply using logic against your irrational nonsense, nothing more. I have never taken a psychology class.

"Science suggests that one day all the universe will dissolve into nothingness; it will literally grind to a halt.
So what does that make our efforts to advance scientifically, technologically and all those other -allys?
All our human pursuits are nothing more that a futile attempt to escape the inevitable demise that awaits all; regardless of its potential or status or value."

The purpose of life is life itself. We advance because we can and because it makes our lives more enjoyable but by all means till your garden by hand, I'll use my rototiller thank you.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#585768 Jan 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>If it or any effects is noted, it will likely be a atomic or subatomic altered state(superconductive alignment) which is invisible for all intent(or in a different plane)-that probably being dependant upon temp or density of the transient medium. IMO,,,but who am I?
.. that's where belief systems come into play ..

.. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around the error in logic concerning NDEs..

.. science claims the NDE experience is INDUCED by a biological process but it cannot say it is DUE to a biological process ..

.. if you sneeze, is it due to a cold or a reaction to pollen ??..

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#585769 Jan 10, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>
And ownership or insurance will protect everyone. I don't see any problem here. It's called liability insurance for a reason.
Insurance for what reason? Theft?
God Himself

Baltimore, MD

#585770 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Because cars are more dangerous and more valuable.
I fart up your nose.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#585771 Jan 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
OK. There are no perfect gods that make mistakes..
Any idiot can understand that.

And it doesnt take a genius to see that that is true either. what's the point?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Any claim that such a god exists is self-refuting.
SO whats your real problem, the claims of the perfection of God's Character or the perfection of God's Potentials?

Because a God Who is perfect in power can do anything in any way to any degree; as well as He can choose to do nothing.

A God who is of perfect character is superfluous to the discussion; for character does not determine reality, POWER DOES.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585772 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Taxing cigarettes is a ploy to get more money out of people.
Society pays more for their health care, so smokers should pay more taxes
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Poorer people, too. Statistics show that generally lower-income people smoke. People that usually can't afford it.
Is that part of an argument against such taxes?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I think it's a way of deterring smoking by making the cost too high to afford.
The amount of the tax should be at least enough to cover the marginal health care expenses due to smoking. If tax law can be used constructively to deter smoking, then that is a good thing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585773 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Besides, where's all that tax money going? Where's that $25 million a year going? I'd love to see the reports...
I'll bet it's more than 25 million dollars. But yes, government transparency and accountability is a principle I espouse as well. But good luck with that, though.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I do want the government to stay out of smoker's way, and everybody's way. I do not want ALL smoking legislation reversed, you're being absurd.
You're contradicting yourself. Smoking-related laws all either forbid or compel something. You either support that or you don't

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585774 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You'd support an excise tax on cheeseburgers because they're fattening & deadly? I'm not surprised.
Not exactly. I would favor it if cheeseburger eating cost society money.

And you consider that wrong? I guess that you expect me to share the tab for cheeseburger habit, too. I'm not surprised.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Then why not a HUGE tax on vehicles? A car puts out more deadly "second hand" fumes in 1 minute than a typical smoker does in a year.
I'm really only qualified to discuss principles, not their implementation. I think that the tax appears in the price of gasoline. You seem to think that your freedom should be free for you or its not freedom.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ever seen 5 guys in an enclosed room chain smoking & drinking? Yup, none of them dies (that night). Put a car in idle in that same enclosed room and all 5 die.
Is this part of an argument against cigarette taxes? If so, it's a ridiculous one.
God Himself

Dallas, TX

#585775 Jan 10, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Insurance for what reason? Theft?
I fart up your nose.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Why Should Jesus Love Me? (Feb '08) 4 min AnnieJ 608,187
Blaming Israel for carnage (Jul '06) 6 min cheer the f up 121,330
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Va... (Jul '07) 33 min oxbow 574,045
safe abortion clinic in manila (Jul '13) 37 min jenny 41
gigolo tangerang,,7ea256c6 43 min vikar pijat erotis 14
Afghanistan seeks the way to stability and safety 1 hr abdrasulkh 1
Straight guys: Would you ever have intercourse ... (Jul '12) 1 hr yes lover 162
Was 9/11 a conspiracy?? (Oct '07) 1 hr WasteWater 268,881
Dubai massage Body To Body full service 0559... (Mar '14) 7 hr Coco 203
More from around the web