Prove there's a god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586099 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
So let me get this straight; logic is not sufficient to prove the existence of a thing, but but yet logic is sufficient to rule out the existence of a thing?
Logic can prove mathematical truths, and with evidence, physical truths.

Logic can also rule out some claims.
God Himself wrote:
The possessor of that logic is doomed to suffer because survival favours the positive, not those that rule things out; because it is possibility that things are and will be, that supports survival.
Nope.

You're referring to a primitive survival strategy. If you assign agency to an unfamiliar sensation or other phenomenon, you will survive longer than if you don't. Hearing a leaf crunch causes one animal to run, but not the other, and the runner lives whenever that sound was caused by a potential predator.

But we can do better than that, can't we?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586100 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
So not only have you decided not to reproduce, you have subject yourself to a negative method of thought?
I have two adult daughters.

And critical thought is not negative thought.
God Himself wrote:
So where is the experiment that is used to test for God.
Your god? Topix is an adequate lab for that. Your bible promises that belief in your god will give you a peace that passeth all understanding and fruits of the spirit including love, joy, peace, and forbearance. That's the hypothesis. Let us collect data and analyze it.

[1] Forum carlsbad worte: "He probably hates you as much as I do."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

[2] Just Results wrote: "when your carcass is thrown into Hell. I get to watch. I get to laugh. I'm willing to wait."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

[3] KJV wrote: "You see we just want to make sure that while you're not in heaven but in the other place we want you to relive all of these moments that put you there. To haunt you for all eternity while flames burn the flesh off of your bones."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

These data disconfirm the biblical promise that belief in the Christian god will produce peace that passeth all understanding. The hypothesis is "busted."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586101 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
But you assume that you are able to know what the state of perfection entails, and you dont.
I know imperfection when I see it. Building a torture chamber, manning it with an infinitely monstrous inquisitor, and forcing souls to remain conscious to feel themselves falling into fire from which they can never escape for the sin of not believing in an invisible and AWOL god is a tad short of any clear thinking person's definition of perfect justice, perfect love, or perfect mercy.

You can't make me believe otherwise.
God Himself wrote:
What would a perfect rock be like?
Perfect for what? Throwing? It shouldn't be too big. Killing? It should be bigger than a throwing rock.
God Himself wrote:
Do you know that the world is no perfect by God's standard of perfection?
That's another argument against a perfect god existing. Perfect gods don't create imperfect things.
God Himself wrote:
And while God is in himself perfect; what need would He have to seek perfection or establish it anywhere else outside Himself?
Apparently he needs to be praised, and can't abide sinners in heaven.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#586102 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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So you are claiming that the universe came out of nowhere, but that you'd like to believe your imagined deity was behind it all?
I am saying that the fact that the universe came out of nowhere, makes the idea of a "Intelligent Agent" that made all out of nothing, plausible
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Why go to such lengths? Why bother with imagining a deity and then pretending that a universe requires a deity to exist?
What?

"Pretending that the universe requires..?"

So how exactly do you know that the universe does not require a God to exist?

How many universes have you created in a lab without God?

And if you did manage to create any universes without a God; wouldnt you be the God of that universe?
Hidingfromyou wrote:
If you've just demonstrated that something can come from nothing...then you can give up your silly deity ideas.
;)
And that will make you happy.
But to say that "something came from nothing" is not the same as saying "nothing caused something to happen"; so the idea of deity remains relevant to the discussion.

I have not demonstrated that something can come from nothing; have I? Show me how/where.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#586103 Jan 11, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't understand.
I find YOU to be offensive.
Downright nasty.
Catcher, my good man, he is a poohhead. Perhaps even a poohface. You never can tell with these ones.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#586104 Jan 11, 2013
Pat wrote:
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I'm sorry but I still don't get your point. Do you really think anybody on here does not understand that a gun is intended to be used as a weapon and a car as a mode of transportation?
"I am not saying that guns do not have a purpose but I am saying that comparing them to a car is not valid logic"
That would depend on the purpose of the comparison, no? If one is arguing that a car can just as easily be used as a weapon to injure, then that is a very logical comparison. If one is claiming a gun is as good as a car for transportation then it would be illogical, comprende?
RR (and others) compare the two. How they are used is a completely different argument to the purpose for which they were manufactured.

I am saying that a gun is MANUFACTURED specifically as a weapon

A car is MANUFACTURED specifically as a mode of transport

Do you comprehend the destination? WEAPON – TRANSPORT, they are even spelled differently to make it easy – look we can all be sarcastic.

Comparing a gun to a car is like comparing a coconut to a shark. The very idea of such comparisons is illogical

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#586105 Jan 11, 2013
I must admit, I edited this post in a way that you would not approve.

I hope, in my failure, that you will at least find it funny.

:)
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
God can prove mathematical truths, and with evidence, physical truths.
God can also rule out some claims.
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[So...God exists?]
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Nope.
God is referring to a primitive survival strategy. If God assigns agency to an unfamiliar sensation or other phenomenon, you will survive longer than if you don't. Hearing a God crunch causes one animal to run, but not the other, and the runnier lives whenever that God was caused by a potential predator.
.
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But we can do better than that, can't we?
(Please note, for those of you not familiar with IANS, he knows that the Christian "God" does not exist, so he would never make the above argument. Hence the humor. Thank you for your indulgence. 1000$ please).

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#586106 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Catcher, my good man, he is a poohhead. Perhaps even a poohface. You never can tell with these ones.
You have been hiding, way too much.

And where did you put my darling Clementine?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#586108 Jan 11, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been hiding, way too much.
And where did you put my darling Clementine?
munch, munch, munch...slurp.

What? mmfffff <wipes face of Clementine soup> Who?

Catcher, do you like soup? You just have to try this!

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#586109 Jan 11, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
munch, munch, munch...slurp.
What? mmfffff <wipes face of Clementine soup> Who?
Catcher, do you like soup? You just have to try this!
Nosebleed time again!!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586110 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
Show me one contradiction in the Bible.
Here are two:

WHAT WERE JESUS' LAST WORDS?
[1]“When he had received the drink, Jesus said,“It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." - John 19:30
[2]“Jesus called out with a loud voice,“Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last." - Luke 23:46

WAS THE BEASTS OR MAN CREATED FIRST)
[1] "And God said,“Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds ... Then God said,“Let us make mankind..." - Genesis 1:24-26
[2]"Then the Lord God formed a man ... Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Genesis 2:7-19

A word of warning: apparent biblical contradictions must be rectified using the bible if you want to call your bible consistent. I can make up just-so stories to resolve any contradiction you give me. If I tell you that I will visit you Saturday night and come Sunday morning, that is a contradiction, even if it was still Saturday night on the other side of the world.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586111 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
What promises were made and yet are unfulfilled?
I just told you about the peace that passeth all understanding and fruits of the spirit including love, joy, peace, and forbearance. You didn't get that. You come undone pretty quickly.

Also, Jesus didn't return as soon as he promised he would - in less than a lifetime.
God Himself wrote:
What if God's perception of reality is not the same as our perception of reality?
Then he shouldn't be judging us, should he?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586112 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
when someone tries to do something as simple as modify the concept of "faith" there is an issue right?
GTFO!!!
Who did that, and where did I have an issue with it?

Do you mean conflating religious faith with evidence based trust?
Pat

East Granby, CT

#586113 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
I am saying that the fact that the universe came out of nowhere, makes the idea of a "Intelligent Agent" that made all out of nothing, plausible
<quoted text>
What?
"Pretending that the universe requires..?"
So how exactly do you know that the universe does not require a God to exist?
How many universes have you created in a lab without God?
And if you did manage to create any universes without a God; wouldnt you be the God of that universe?
<quoted text>
But to say that "something came from nothing" is not the same as saying "nothing caused something to happen"; so the idea of deity remains relevant to the discussion.
I have not demonstrated that something can come from nothing; have I? Show me how/where.
"I am saying that the fact that the universe came out of nowhere..."

That is not fact, it is an assumption. Your house of cards has collapsed.

"So how exactly do you know that the universe does not require a God to exist?"

That question is bassakwards, the real question is how do you know it does? Until you know one way or the other, then there is no REASON to beleive one way or the other. It's called KEEPING AN OPEN MIND WHEN EVIDENCE IS LACKING (what honest people do).
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#586114 Jan 11, 2013
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**WHITNEY HOUSTON .......raised from the dead?




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Pat

East Granby, CT

#586115 Jan 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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RR (and others) compare the two. How they are used is a completely different argument to the purpose for which they were manufactured.
I am saying that a gun is MANUFACTURED specifically as a weapon
A car is MANUFACTURED specifically as a mode of transport
Do you comprehend the destination? WEAPON – TRANSPORT, they are even spelled differently to make it easy – look we can all be sarcastic.
Comparing a gun to a car is like comparing a coconut to a shark. The very idea of such comparisons is illogical
Have they argued that a gun is not intended to injure or that a car is not a mode of transportation? Do you honestly beleive they do not know what the intended use of a gun or a car is? I would give them a little more credit than that.

"Comparing a gun to a car is like comparing a coconut to a shark."

Depends on the purpose of the comparison. Did what I wrote in my last post not make sense to you concerning that?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#586116 Jan 11, 2013
God Himself wrote:
science proves that there are particles which appear to pop in and out of existence without an identified cause. So scientifically, God does not necessarily require a cause.
What do you think is more likely to exist uncaused, the simplest thing imaginable, the speck that was the singularity, or the most complex thing imaginable?

My money is on the latter being your answer.
God Himself wrote:
Fack off.
BTW, you definitely didn't get the peace that passeth all understanding, nor fruits of the spirit such as forbearance. The facks say otherwise.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#586117 Jan 11, 2013
Pat wrote:
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Do not blame me for your low IQ, you can blame your god for that.
Pulsating Universe Theory: According to this theory, the universe is supposed to be expanding and contracting alternately i.e. pulsating. At present, the universe is
Pulsating Theory
expanding. According to pulsating theory, it is possible that at a certain time, then expansion of the universe may be stopped by the gravitational pull and the may contract again. After it has been contracted to a certain size, explosion again occurs and the universe will start expanding. The alternate expansion and contraction of the universe give rise to pulsating universe.
So the universe is throbbing? heheheh

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#586118 Jan 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I though we had settled this, you never got back to me anyway so O thought you has accepted my statement but perhaps you just ignored the facts that a gun is manufactured as a weapon, a car is manufactured as a mode of transport.
Do you see the difference?
Lets hook one on the other!:)

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#586119 Jan 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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No, I am saying that a weapon is specifically manufactured as a weapon. With the sole intention of causing injury
Unlike a car, a gun is not manufactured to transport people from point A to point B as efficiently and as comfortably as possible
Consider standing on a busy street and hailing a gun (oops taxi) or hopping in your gun to gun to the mall.
I am not saying that guns do not have a purpose but I am saying that comparing them to a car is not valid logic
Or perhaps we should go down the route of comparing coconuts to sharks, after all more people die of being brained by falling coconuts than are killed by sharks.

Cept , not all guns are for killing.
Especially my gun.

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