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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I doubt it. A fetus is a concrete object. A behavior is an abstract process, like nailbiting
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I don't see the distinction. Would you say that somebody isn't a bed wetter, that they're in a bed wetting state of their development?
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Then what you're saying is that the parasitism - or the parasitical stage - is necessary and justified, not that it isn't parasitism.
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You're confusing objects and processes again. The object is a chunk of diploid human tissue somewhere between a zygote and a third trimester fetus. Its formation, growth, development and birth are procreation.
Parasites do not turn into humans IANS you can never justify that medically or scientifically.

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An acorn is a seed, it contains living cells, therefore it is life.
Just like a zygote.....

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my. She is pregnant with either a human zygote, a human embryo or a human fetus. She is NOT pregnant with a BABY.
Yep- as I already SAID, most women who WANT to be pregnant and who WANT to have a baby will SUBJECTIVELY refer to her z/e/f as such.
That does NOT make it a biological or medical fact.
No....I am sure that if one was having a purely medical, scientific and biological discussion with a doctor, the doctor would certainly state that biologically, scientifically and medically speaking, the z/e/f is indeed a parasite.
Why DO you have such a problem with the word "parasite"? We are ALL parasites- sucking on the teat of the planet.
Oh ya, we see it all the time....

A pregnant woman proudly rubs her belly and says "Oh, my fetus just kicked!"

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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OMG.....
So stupid.
That's like saying a baby isn't a human.
Not at all. Of course a baby is human provided it was BORN to a human. Just as a z/e/f is human provided it is within the body of a human.

And an acorn is still a seed despite it not being an oak tree.

Just as an acorn has the POTENTIAL to develop into an oak tree under the right conditions, a z/e/f has the POTENTIAL to develop into a baby under the right conditions.

NOWHERE did I say or at all even IMPLY that a BABY (born to a human) isn't HUMAN.

You are SUCH an IDIOT.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Me, too, which is why I describe a fetus as a parasitic life form based on the organism's relationship to its host, and not on whether or not I find the word demeaning to the organism.
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Now you are calling all humans parasites. "sigh"
Did I? I missed that.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok, would you prefer:
When your father deposited sperm in your mother's sperm depository YOU became a life.
I became ALIVE. My LIFE didn't start until my birth.

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The baby IS the benefit.
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only when it is wanted.
Only if you think the TOE is correct.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Interesting.....
Homocide - Feticide.
huh
A law that allows criminals charges to be placed for murdering a fetus ...
But these idiots say that a fetus isn't a life, isn't a human.....
NO ONE here has said a fetus isn't HUMAN (provided it is within the body of a HUMAN).

You can't grasp the difference between that which is ALIVE and that which is A LIFE, so I certainly don't expect you to grasp the difference between that which is HUMAN and that which is a PERSON.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Nice , but none of seem very scientific , I guess they want to be pleasant.
I will note you called it scientific , and quote it here......
Week Ten: Embryo is now a Fetus
You are 10 weeks pregnant.(eight weeks after conception)
From this week until birth, the developing organism is called a fetus.
The fetus is now the size of a small strawberry.
The feet are 2mm long (one tenth of an inch).
The neck is beginning to take shape.
The body muscles are almost developed. Baby has begun movement.
WHAT? FULL STOP! 10 weeks...
Baby has begun movement.
Involuntary movement is often the result of cell repair, or growth, of the musculatory cells. So such an event provides no evidence of individuality. The brain is still not developed.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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Plinking cans and bottles is murder.
Then I should get like 500 life sentences....

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UR BS wrote:
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Is a woman a mother if her kid gets run over by a car and killed?
You might consider pulling your head out of your backside.
No, STUPID. If a mother's child is killed, that woman is no longer a mother assuming she has no other children.

She is a FORMER mother.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Just like a zygote.....
Yes, and neither is in individual, that is why an acorn is not considered an oak, and a fetus is not considered a human.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh ya, we see it all the time....
A pregnant woman proudly rubs her belly and says "Oh, my fetus just kicked!"
Sigh.....I stated at least twice already that for most women who WANT to have a baby, they will refer to their z/e/f as such.

That is an EMOTIONAL choice and not one based on biology, science or medicine.

In other words, she subjectively chooses to refer to her z/e/f as a BABY.

That doesn't make it FACTUALLY correct.

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With all the ad homs and fallacies from the anti-choice side, it's hard to even consider your opinion on the subject valid. Appeals to emotion, special pleading, and even a few ambiguity fallacies.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you mean go make you some chicken?
I mean- if you consider a z/e/f to be a baby, then "LOGICALLY" speaking, not only would an ACORN be an OAK TREE, but an EGG would be a CHICKEN.
Of course, nothing at ALL logical about referring to an acorn as an oak tree or an egg as a chicken- just as there is nothing logical about referring to a zygote, embryo or fetus as a BABY.

If the acorn has germinated it is a developing tree
or the egg fertilized yes a developing chicken.
But those require that they be to be in the same context as
a z/e/f which already is a developing baby.

Because z/e/f doesn't exist until after fertilization.

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UR BS wrote:
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I notice you haven't listed anything either so I guess you are just full of BS and an outright liar.
By the way you mentioned animal shelters which goes a long way to explaining your disdane for human life.
You didn't ASK me to list anything, did you?

And I am NOT the one who would like women to be denied reproductive choices- YOU are!

YOU are the one who wants every single baby born; therefore, the onus is on YOU to do SOMETHING for at least ONE of those babies born unwanted and unloved by the very person who gave birth to them.

LIAR. I did NOT mention ANYTHING about animal shelters. You're confusing me with someone else, you addle-brained TWIT.

And the word is "disdain"- like YOU have for women who wish to terminate their pregnancies.

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karl44 wrote:
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it is not a benefit to the individual who is pregnant.
the zef meets the definition of parasite.
If you need disagree, try to look less stupid

Only to an idiot like you.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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If the acorn has germinated it is a developing tree
or the egg fertilized yes a developing chicken.
But those require that they be to be in the same context as
a z/e/f which already is a developing baby.
Because z/e/f doesn't exist until after fertilization.
"DEVELOPING"- You said it yourself.

A developing tree from a germinated acorn is still NOT a tree.

A developing chicken from a fertilized egg is still NOT a chicken.

A developing z/e/f is still NOT a baby.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I don't but it doesn't reflect the embryo , lets put in a scientifically and correctly worded statement.
A parasite is a specific type of organisms , a fetus is not listed as such. In ANY reference, though we can identify traits that are synonymous with other organisms to describe something. There is clearly a distinction between them , and this is where word meanings literally MEAN EVERYTHING!
Correctly stated it would be ..
A zygote/embryo/fetus goes through a parasitical phase in the early developing stages during the human reproduction process .
You cannot define a fetus a parasite, or you are in fact calling humans parasites. Parasites do not turn into human beings, that's worse than preaching creationism.
Now google that and see what you find.
.. fair enough ..

.. then, why does the medical and scientific community consider a zygote/embryo/fetus a parasite? Why not call it a baby ??..

.. biologically, isn't the categorization of parasite based on its behavior as is relates to its host ??..

.. a zygote invades a woman's uterus, hijacks her immune system and usually causes pain in the form of morning sickness, backaches and much more. When a woman's health is threatened, I think the body's natural defense system kicks in resulting in a spontaneous abortion ..

.. ultimately, during the parasitical phase, wouldn't a zygote/embryo/fetus be considered a parasite ??..

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, and neither is in individual, that is why an acorn is not considered an oak, and a fetus is not considered a human.
Not true, Kitten. A fetus within the body of a human IS human- that can't be disputed.

I think you may have meant to say that a fetus is not considered a PERSON and that would be correct, but of course it IS human.

But as I'm sure you know, something can be human while not yet being a PERSON.

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