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#581383 Jan 2, 2013
OCB wrote:
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1. No babies involved in abortion.
2. Abortion is not murder.
I've seen all the pics before- they are all photo-shopped, all from anti-choice sites, etc.
When most abortions take place- which is within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy with the majority of those taking place within the first 9 weeks of pregnancy, the z/e/f is LESS THAN ONE INCH LONG.
Don't bother posting pics to me of dismembered limbs and all the rest.
And I know you've said you're pro-choice; if that is really true, then you should find the idea MUCH more gruesome of women being forced to remain pregnant AGAINST THEIR WILL.
And about will, a z/e/f doesn't HAVE any will one way or the other.
Stop trying to romanticize exactly what a z/e/f is.
I agree on the "find the idea MUCH more gruesome of women being forced to remain pregnant AGAINST THEIR WILL." part.

I DO feel that way. I don't think it's anyone's f_ckin business if a woman decides to abort.

But I'm not gonna lie to myself and say they're not aborting (killing) a lifeform.

I'm not romanticizing it, OCB. I'm just looking at it in a very logical & emotionless way.

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#581384 Jan 2, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Most of those were already squashed and the others are just opinions, not fact. Try again.
Oh, c'mon....

Which ones were squashed & which ones were opinions?

“Ditat Deus”

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#581385 Jan 2, 2013
OCB wrote:
And a LIFE begins at BIRTH. And the legal rights to personhood begin at BIRTH.
Is that your opinion?

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#581386 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'll ask again - What does animals stealing food from each other have to do with your fetus=parasite argument?
You have the attention span of a lightning bolt.

You said that they couldn't be a parasite because they needed to be a different species. It has been proven (several times) that is not true.

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#581387 Jan 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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A parasite is a type symbiosis , but now name a parasite that leaves the host and lives it entire life outside the host.
You is wrong on both counts, but I agree there are several phases of development that are somewhat parasitical , but fail to be defined as such because procreating is a benefit to the host by survival the of your genes to a new generation.
The parasitic part is that it survives entirely off the host until it develops enough to be able to metabolize its own food. Actually right up until birth its only source of food has to be from the mother, as it is not being fed by external means.

I won't argue the importance of a fetus as I think it is very important to everyone, and should be treated that way.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#581388 Jan 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I agree with everything you said but the question was to you not everyone else.
"I would say that having children is a benefit"
Most at least 98% of mothers I know would say this.
I wonder how many of the mothers in these stories thought so or when they changed their minds.....

Growing list of shameful acts of violence and torture against children:

Tortured Toddler
Baby Tossed Over Bridge
Toddler blinded
Infant left to fend for himself
Mom watches boyfriend beat toddler to death
Father tortures infant, leaves her with brain damage
Foster mother and her boyfriend torture toddler to death
Man rapes infant
Boyfriend beats toddler for two hours straight
17 month old baby slammed to the floor and banged against wall; dies
Toddler may have arm amputated as a result of severe torture/abuse
Mother breaks her toddler’s back; allows him to suffer for a week before he dies
Father bites childs eye out
Boy kept as sex slave for six years
Toddler beaten so badly, had to have part of her intestines removed
Father and girlfriend allegedly torture 3 year old to death
Parents allegedly beat and lock up 10 year old with cancer; has prosthetic leg and is hearing impaired
Newborn killed after mother threw her in the washer machine; went through entire cleansing cycle and died
Baby spleen and pancreas ruptured and intestines severed by parents who punched her repeatedly in the stomach
Missing Alabama children reportedly abused and tortured most of their life
3 year old beaten to death by mother and boyfriend for wetting his pants
6 year old severely tortured and beaten by mother and her boyfriend
10 yr. old girl locked in tiny chest, forced to eat feces and drink urine
Woman beat and starved toddler in claims it was because she couldn’t get any marijuana
Mother and boyfriend puncture lungs of 3 yr. old boy, resulting in life support, authorities say he will likely die
Mother accused of punching her toddlers teeth out
Mother and boyfriend allegedly lock toddler and baby in 30-degree below zero room
Teen forced to eat feces, drink her own urine, imprisoned in basement since 2006
Eleven children reportedly tortured for years, tied up and never allowed to go to school
8-year-old forced to run for hours on end, until she collapses and dies – Grandmother’s punishment after eating her chocolate
Baby forced to walk on broken leg, tries repeatedly to get up, winds up dying when items topple over on her
12-year-old boy caged, tortured, tied up, and starved, hospital staff says he looks like concentration camp victim
Father accused of breaking 21 bones and permanently disfiguring 7-week-old infant daughter
11-year-old boy eats own feces before parents allow him to starve to death
Two daycare workers force tot to eat hot sauce
Mother blinds baby by forcing bleach laced eye drops into eyes
Children found at Kansas Walmart parking lot, bound and blindfolded
Boyfriend beat tot mercilessly with hanger, tot may be blind
Ohio parents arrested for locking 4-year-old in wire and steel cage
Mother admits to striking toddler with 12&#8243; cast iron skillet, nearly killing him
Mother and female roommate charged with nearly starving to death toddler
Baby found with cockroaches crawling all over her, possibly living in animal cage
6-year-old brutally stabbed by own mother while she slept
Gawker Editor writes editorial advocating for pedophiles
Ohio mother allows toddler’s infection to get so bad, it eats away at his nose
Father fractures baby skull after throwing infant across the room
Mom’s boyfriend beats 5-year-old into coma, causes ruptured pancreas
Father accused of carving pentagram into 6-year-old son’s back

http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2007/11...

“Ditat Deus”

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#581389 Jan 2, 2013
DaGawD wrote:
yall still going at this shit.
All the facts are there that this bibical god doesn't exist
www.youtube.com/tharealest62qb
Stupid...

Opinions, mere opinions.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#581390 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I agree on the "find the idea MUCH more gruesome of women being forced to remain pregnant AGAINST THEIR WILL." part.
I DO feel that way. I don't think it's anyone's f_ckin business if a woman decides to abort.
But I'm not gonna lie to myself and say they're not aborting (killing) a lifeform.
I'm not romanticizing it, OCB. I'm just looking at it in a very logical & emotionless way.
Sure- a life form is being killed.

But that is not the same as to say that a BABY is being MURDERED, which is what you said in your previous post.

And by doing so, you are not at all looking at it in a logical or emotionless way, RR.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#581391 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
ugh... You to?
http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/my-body/chan...
It's strange to me that none of you self proclaimed smart people know the benefits of pregnancy.....
Except for the absence of menstrual cramps(and that could be a subjective evaluation) those are subjective evaluations.

This is what is stated at the conclusion of the article(that in and of itself should a hint)

"All content here, including advice from doctors and other health professionals, should be considered as opinion only."
http://www.parents.com/pregnancy/my-body/chan...

“Ditat Deus”

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#581392 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Actually, I did not make that assertion, but you buy into stereotypes so much you assumed it was.
Yes you did. You said that it's obvious that parts were written by men then linked to the part about sex.
No, it's the special pleading of sexual activity, by using unsubstantiated claims that demonstrates it was a male's idea to write that. Everyone is different, and unique, but when someone uses unsubstantiated claims it's obvious they are pleading for their own selfish desires and not providing factually significant evidence proves it.
They were talking about women in general, not all women.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

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#581393 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What? I understand that not ALL women view pregnancy as beneficial and women that have never been pregnant aren't missing something they need...
But I DO understand that for most women, pregnancy is a beautiful thing. Why else do most women have more than one child?
Because they are okay with going through the unpleasantness of pregnancy in order to have more children to raise and to love.

Doesn't mean there is no sacrifice involved or a risk to the women's health.

So it may not be so much that pregnancy in and of itself is perceived by women as a "beautiful thing" but that the end result of a pregnancy- a child- is.

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#581394 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I think you're only saying that to reenforce your pro-choice stance so you feel ok that a baby isn't being murdered against its will.
Again - a baaabee isn't being murdered. It's not a baby until it's born, and a fetus has no will. Quite trying to personalize the topic. That's what's tripping you up.

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#581395 Jan 2, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong again.
New research has found that the bacteria in you gut not only can communicate with other bacteria, but if a second bacteria is entered into the equation it will 'LEARN' how to translate and communicate with that bacteria too. It is called quorum sensing.
Like I said before RR, you're only problem is that you open your mouth on topics that you are not educated in.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/specialsections...
We are pretty sure you're more a viral infection than bacterial though? Even if you do communicate ok. lol

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

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#581396 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Is that your opinion?
It can be argued that it is my opinion that life begins at birth; most anti-choicers are of the opinion that life begins at conception.

But LEGALLY, all rights afforded to a PERSON begin at BIRTH.

“Ditat Deus”

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#581397 Jan 2, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that Wikipedia is written by anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay, don't you? Apparently not.
derp

Of course I do.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Uni...

Go there, go under "6. firearms crime" and find this paragraph:

"The United Kingdom has a total recorded crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people; the United States of America records approximately 80."

Then tell me that it has nothing to do with firearms crime.....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#581398 Jan 2, 2013
Freebird USA wrote:
Not much of a leap from an eternal universe with an unexplainable cause to an eternal being with an unexplainable cause.
That's a huge leap. One is unconscious, and mostly space, "light rocks, gases, etc..

The other is sentient, omniscient, omnipotent, volitional, immortal, moral, etc.. How could such a thing exist uncreated?

HUGE leap.

If that can exist uncreated, anything simpler can exist more easily.

“Ditat Deus”

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#581399 Jan 2, 2013
OCB wrote:
BTW, you claim you are pro-choice yet use misnomers such as "baby" and "murder" to describe abortion.
And you buy into the BS of pics of "babies" aborted being "murdered" and that of abortion being "gruesome".
Sure doesn't sound like someone who is pro-choice and if you really believe a baby is what is aborted and that abortion is murder and that z/e/f have wills, you're pretty screwed up to be pro-choice.
What you have expressed here are some of the most rabid views of the anti-choice crowd.
I guess I'm the only honest pro-choicer....

“Ditat Deus”

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#581400 Jan 2, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Is that why she became your - ex - wife? Is she now gay?
Nope. SHe became my ex-wife because she wouldn't stop getting fat, stopped cleaning my house, never had a job & was a total bitch.

She's perfect for you.

“Ditat Deus”

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#581401 Jan 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that your opinion?
I'll ask again - What does animals stealing food from each other have to do with your fetus=parasite argument?

'cuz a bird stealing food from a hippo's mouth isn't a parasite...

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#581402 Jan 2, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Kleptoparasitism is a behavior not a species.
You moron, it doesn't matter what name they give it. Did you miss the part that said "The parasite is the SAME species as the victim" DUH!!!

Wow, you're as as quick as a tortoise on Prozac.

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