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Dec 31, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
Three different entities, but also one.
I thought you knew this......
Which one impregnated the little girl so she could give birth to...itself?

Now my brain is itching again.

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I could understand (and used to hold) your point of view. I used to believe that God may not be real, that it's all a bunch of bullshit. That day that I felt God's presence changed me forever. It can change anyone, maybe even you.
"Felt gods presence".

What does that mean?

You got a rush?

You felt an overwhelming peace?

You saw with a sudden clarity?

You felt warm and fuzzy all over?

Actually, I've felt all of those things. No god was necessary. Just a state of mind.

I've experienced perfection. But only enough to know that it's a fleeting experience and that I need to be always aware of the current moment, for that's the only moment I can use.

I hear about all these people that are "touched by god", but I don't see that they're any different from me. They just give credit to some vague, undefinable being. "God" is just the most handy one available. And the bible god is the only one most of them know of.

Frankly, I don't care if you believe in god or not. I can understand the need. It's mostly that damned bible and what it does to people. How it makes people like derek and eagle and YOU so afraid to admit solid scientific facts. And how that is used to generate hate towards people who know better.

Keep your god. I don't care. But to just obstinately continue to deny scientific fact-yes, fact-in favor of stories written thousands of years ago that you KNOW cannot have happened...it just boggles my mind.

Evolution has nothing whatsoever to say about god. But you realize that if evolution is true, then your bible is not. And if your bible is not right about evolution, then all your beliefs crumble. So you just keep on clinging and demanding that science is wrong because if science is not wrong, then YOU are wrong.

And you can't handle that. And you can't find a way to hold both at the same time.

You've chosen.

You're wrong.

I'm not saying that to be mean. It's just the way it is.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
wilderide wrote:
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*Again*, no, it has more crime per capita, not more gun crime, according to that citation.
Excuse meee-eeee.....

The UK has more gun crime [[{{~~ per capita ~~}}]] than the US.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
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Which one impregnated the little girl so she could give birth to...itself?
Now my brain is itching again.
There's no "which one", they're all the same being.

Put you finger in your butt, that's where your brain is :)

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Dec 31, 2012
 
wilderide wrote:
Sometimes faith is a virtue. It's subjective. Faith in religion, however, is just credulity.
I'm speaking of faith as a way of knowing, or justification for belief.

There is a specific kind of faith, different from a way of knowing, that I could consider to be a virtue, but I would rather treat that as a separate idea. I'd also clearly differentiate between faith and trust. Religious faith is very similar to misplaced trust, but I still differentiate between those two concepts.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right, thanks.
Then why is there a thought amongst some atheists that say we own guns (fight death) because we're not true believers or we're "closet atheists"?
That's just crazy, IMO.
it's not crazy.

Your "better place" awaits you.

Why would you not want to go there as soon as you could?

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Oh, ok. I thought the debate was: when is it a life? When is it alive?
That's the crux, isn't it? Deciding when it's ok. That's why pro-lifers say it's a child at conception - to make the rest of us feel guilty for killing a child.
Then the pro-choicers say that the point of the fetus being a child is undetermined, to keep the choice going.
I can't say at what point it becomes a child, but I do believe its a life and it's alive at the point of conception.
Yes, when each person defines a fetus as a child most likely determines when and whether that person considers an abortion a relatively benign medical procedure or murder. I just don't get the whole "life begins at conception" argument. I realize you aren't making that argument, but I agree that a a fertilized egg is alive, but then so were the sperm and egg before they met. So were my tonsils before they were removed. I mean if one were to argue that life (i.e. a child) begins at conception, then God is the biggest abortionist around, as more than 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. So isn't God pro-choice? Well, it's own choice anyway?
"Yes. Observation". Is it your opinion or not? Your argument that Christian women are "encouraged" to stay home rather than work is dubious at best. I've been a Christian all my life, I've known many Christians, I've never known one woman encouraged to not work.
Yes, it's my opinion based on observation. I don't have statistics to cite as to the ratio of pro-life males vs females. As to women not working, then you have not hung around Fundie Christians, because for the most part their ideology does frown on women working. They are made to have and raise babies, and be submissive and obedient to their husbands, and Paul dictates in many of the letters attributed to him. I'm certainly not suggesting all Christians think that way, only a small (but sadly, politically powerful) minority. But I do think they are supported in their view by what the Bible says.

Which actually brings up what might be a more interesting topic: when is the Bible to be taken literally, when figuratively, and is there a rationale for saying that some parts (such as instructions on slavery) can be acknowledged to be outdated?

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Kimberly2hot wrote:
How about you Goldilocks, how did get off the main highway and decide to ride the dirt roads?
I only care about the truth. If you were half the person you THINK you are, then you'd be able to convince me that I'm wrong, but all you can do is trash talk, and that says more about you than anything.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Excuse meee-eeee.....
The UK has more gun crime [[{{~~ per capita ~~}}]] than the US.
Take another look. "Gun crime" is neither in the quote nor in the citation. Dude, just concede, seriously. It's not there.

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wilderide wrote:
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Take another look. "Gun crime" is neither in the quote nor in the citation. Dude, just concede, seriously. It's not there.
Lol, what? It's under the section called "Firearm crime".....

What else do you think it's talking about? Maybe daisies, huh....

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Tide with Beach wrote:
Faith is not a virtue.
The thread will now split into teams to argue the point.
We must have patience then.

That's a virtue.

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wilderide wrote:
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Take another look. "Gun crime" is neither in the quote nor in the citation. Dude, just concede, seriously. It's not there.
Here it is again, followed my the following sentence:

"The United Kingdom has a total recorded crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people; the United States of America records approximately 80."

"Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales increased by 110%, from 2,378 in 1998/99 to 5,001 in 2005/06."

Nah, it's not talking about guns or gun crimes.....

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wilderide wrote:
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Take another look. "Gun crime" is neither in the quote nor in the citation. Dude, just concede, seriously. It's not there.
He genetically can't be honest with himself and admit what's obvious. You can show him the facts, but he'll never understand or accept them. It's not a matter of educating him, because his bias will control him every time.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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In ever said I guessed, did I? Don't add in your own version of what I'm saying.
Fair enough. What's our rationale for rejecting all other gods except one?
LMAO! Um, I think it's safe to say that God is smarter than the Jews. Jesus is the messiah, I don't understand why Jews don't believe in their Jewish King, Jesus.
Well, did God inspire the Hebrew Bible, upon which your entire religion is also based, or not? Because according to it, Jesus did not qualify. According to Jewish prophecy, the messiah:

Would be a man (not a god)
Would gather all of the Jews back to Israel
Would create word peace

...all within his lifetime. Did Jesus do all that? Nope. And he was also supposed of be descended from the house of David, which arguable also discounts Jesus, as he was not descended from Joseph, who was from the house of David, but rather Mary, who was not. That's the problem with having Greek disciples, they like to incorporate Greek myths about gods and humans interbreeding, and virgin births.

Also, isn't it pretty arguable that the Holy Spirit raped Mary, by impregnating her without her prior consent?

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm speaking of faith as a way of knowing, or justification for belief.
There is a specific kind of faith, different from a way of knowing, that I could consider to be a virtue, but I would rather treat that as a separate idea. I'd also clearly differentiate between faith and trust. Religious faith is very similar to misplaced trust, but I still differentiate between those two concepts.
Faith in that regard isn't a way of knowing, but rather a desire to believe. IMHO.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Are you serious? If so, I'm surprised. As you know, I'm all for a division of the nation. I didn't get much feedback of any kind on the suggestion, neither support nor criticism.
This recent discussion on guns epitomizes the great and irresoluble divide. Why live with that? Why even argue it? Let them have their guns. I don't see the downside, especially for the blue states.
I'm tired of subsidizing a bunch of yahoos.

Let'em grow cotton and fight among themselves.

They can elect Huckabee or Palin as their leader.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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We value human life too much.
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Do the same to the criminals in our society. If a man has the ability to rape a woman, he doesn't deserve to live.
you know RR, you are a hateful christian, but even you are not stupid enough to believe your post.

you have the morals of a christian

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Lol, what? It's under the section called "Firearm crime".....
What else do you think it's talking about? Maybe daisies, huh....
Yes, I realize it's under that section. What you don't seem to realize, or want to acknowledge, is that single quote doesn't reference gun crime, and neither does it's supporting citation. I mean, how much clearer can it be?

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>He genetically can't be honest with himself and admit what's obvious. You can show him the facts, but he'll never understand or accept them. It's not a matter of educating him, because his bias will control him every time.
Seriously. We all fall victim to confirmation bias to some degree or other, but jeeeez....
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Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>I only care about the truth. If you were half the person you THINK you are, then you'd be able to convince me that I'm wrong, but all you can do is trash talk, and that says more about you than anything.
Yes, it certainly does.

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