“Ditat Deus”

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#580365 Dec 31, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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What is a child? Is a fertilized egg a child? My definition of a child is a sentient human being. I don't think an abortion should be legal if the child can reasonably be presumed to be sentient and feel pain, unless the life of the mother is at stake (which is pretty rare). On the other hand, I also don't think it's moral to use an abortion as a birth-control procedure either, if nothing else because it is so intrusive to the woman's body, and is also a waste of medical resources (again, if it's a purely elective procedure, resultant from careless behavior).
I also have a problem with men telling women what they can do with their bodies. I think it's pretty obvious that if men could get pregnant, abortion would not be remotely controversial. Ultimately, I think the whole pro-life agenda rests on misogyny.
Abortion is defined as removal of an ebryo or fetus - I don't know why we're trying to figure out the definition of "child" as it's irrelevant to the discussion.

I agree with you on the line of aborting if the mother's life is at stake - no matter the age of the fetus. Mom is first, IMO.

I think the main reason of abortion is for birth control, but I agree with you that it's an ineffective means. BUT, it is NOT my place to tell a woman that she can or can't have an abortion, regardless of reason.

You think it's a misogyny thing? I disagree, at least as far as thebirth control part goes. I think there's lots of men out there (young and old) that foolishly get a woman pregnant and wish they could force her to get an abortion. I don't know, but I'd bet a lot of men don't take much of a stance on abortion rights.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#580366 Dec 31, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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"The United Kingdom has a total recorded crime rate per capita of approximately 85 per 1000 people."
That doesn't address gun crime, just reported crimes in general.
ugh

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Uni...

Go to the "#6 Firearms crime" part.

It's ONLY about firearms crime, man.

Since: Oct 10

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#580367 Dec 31, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Part the problem here is every government uses guns to achieve an end. It has been this way for nearly a thousand years. Governments force you to fight ,give you a gun and march you to kill other people.
They have no problem with it whatsoever.
You want to tell us honest law abiding citizens cannot have the same weapon unless the government tells you to go kill people with it?
Even if the purpose of that weapon is self defense.
So it's ok to kill people with guns as long as it has your government's stamp of approval on it.
That is the message I see here.
But it's not cool to defend yourself on home ground from intruders with the same gun you are ok to murder foreigners with.
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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#580368 Dec 31, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why do need to not believe in God?
It's not a need. We are unable to simultaneously hold a belief in a god which presents no evidence, and in reality as we understand it with abundant evidence.

Some people can do that.

I can't.

Would it be possible for you to start believing in Santa again?

If not, why not?

If so, what would convince you?

I certainly don't see any presence of god in the vast majority of his believers.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#580369 Dec 31, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't know where you come up with this line of thinking. It's really weird.
If that is what God wanted, He wouldn't have bothered with the Ten Commandments, would He?
I mean, how am I to abide to any of them when I'm dead?
According to your beliefs, you wouldn't need to.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#580370 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Most people ... sure, my dad is not one of them. Funny that you would assume otherwise without any evidence suggesting it.
Is he one of those elderly who is intimidated by the new technology or just another 60/70's hippie relic who's paranoid that the law will track him down with his phone?
Rosa Winkel

Australia

#580371 Dec 31, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Really? That's odd.
Why do you feel like any rapist should be left alive to rape again?
The only reason I don't agree with a death penalty 4 rapists is that gives them no reason not to murder the victim. Give them a few decades as a prison bitch, that's justice.

Since: Jul 10

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#580372 Dec 31, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's not a need. We are unable to simultaneously hold a belief in a god which presents no evidence, and in reality as we understand it with abundant evidence.
Some people can do that.
I can't.
Would it be possible for you to start believing in Santa again?
If not, why not?
If so, what would convince you?
I certainly don't see any presence of god in the vast majority of his believers.
There seems to be much evidence of Santa, especially at this time of year, yet still none of a god.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#580373 Dec 31, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's not a need. We are unable to simultaneously hold a belief in a god which presents no evidence, and in reality as we understand it with abundant evidence.
Some people can do that.
I can't.
Would it be possible for you to start believing in Santa again?
If not, why not?
If so, what would convince you?
I certainly don't see any presence of god in the vast majority of his believers.
I could understand (and used to hold) your point of view. I used to believe that God may not be real, that it's all a bunch of bullshit. That day that I felt God's presence changed me forever. It can change anyone, maybe even you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#580374 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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According to your beliefs, you wouldn't need to.
Right, thanks.

Then why is there a thought amongst some atheists that say we own guns (fight death) because we're not true believers or we're "closet atheists"?

That's just crazy, IMO.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#580375 Dec 31, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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I don't see how saying that you "believe" that a child is a life at the point of conception is a meaningful statement. How are you defining "life" in that context?
Probably by the simple fact that it is "alive" and not dead.

“Ditat Deus”

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#580376 Dec 31, 2012
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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The only reason I don't agree with a death penalty 4 rapists is that gives them no reason not to murder the victim. Give them a few decades as a prison bitch, that's justice.
Now THAT I agree with. I just wish the prison system didn't protect them... If the prison system was harsher, colder, damper, etc then I'd be ok with it.

It just seems appalling that we'd kill a dog for biting a human, but won't kill a human for raping a human...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#580377 Dec 31, 2012
boooots wrote:
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There seems to be much evidence of Santa, especially at this time of year, yet still none of a god.
Shut the f_ck up.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#580378 Dec 31, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r8GHBk_HSXgXX&playnext=1 &list=PLB805D0EBEA129744 &feature=results_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#580379 Dec 31, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Probably by the simple fact that it is "alive" and not dead.
I've been trying to convince me of this.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#580380 Dec 31, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Is he one of those elderly who is intimidated by the new technology or just another 60/70's hippie relic who's paranoid that the law will track him down with his phone?
Could this be an actual, honest, question from you instead of hatred for once?

He's one of those redneck types who just doesn't see a good reason to spend money on it, actually. His cars are his cellphones, he loves his cars.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#580381 Dec 31, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right, thanks.
Then why is there a thought amongst some atheists that say we own guns (fight death) because we're not true believers or we're "closet atheists"?
That's just crazy, IMO.
I don't know, ask the ones that say that. I don't read minds.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#580382 Dec 31, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's not a need. We are unable to simultaneously hold a belief in a god which presents no evidence, and in reality as we understand it with abundant evidence.
Some people can do that.
I can't.
Would it be possible for you to start believing in Santa again?
If not, why not?
If so, what would convince you?
I certainly don't see any presence of god in the vast majority of his believers.
Not necessary to believe in Santa to BE SANTA.
Yes its a facade. But of noble reason and consequence.
Why do you beware of Santa bearing gifts?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#580383 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Could this be an actual, honest, question from you instead of hatred for once?
He's one of those redneck types who just doesn't see a good reason to spend money on it, actually. His cars are his cellphones, he loves his cars.
Does he call from his carphone?

Do they even make those anymore?
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#580384 Dec 31, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You mean a teleological argument, right?
BRAVO
youre learning

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