“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

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#579802 Dec 30, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem blissfully unaware of the restrictions now in place for buying large quantities of fertilizer.
You're reaching, and you know it.
There is no sane reason for citizens to own assault weapons.
Period.
The Constitution spells it out plainly in the first sentence.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,

the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


The citizens armed are supposed to be able to form a militia
as strong as any army to fight for freedom. If necessary , that's the deal and a issue about our country itself.
For example the UN wants to regulate weapon sales globally.
We are against that too.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06...

Now if foreign powers infiltrate from within and the people defenseless , the people posses no power to resist.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579803 Dec 30, 2012
UR BS wrote:
Oh come on now lets not get hostile about it.
Nanoanomaly doesn't "get hostile." She starts out hostile. Something unpleasant happened to her a few decades ago - probably involving an uncle - so, she detests the world in revenge now.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579804 Dec 30, 2012
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
I really wish we could say the same! I highly doubt gun control is the sole factor for that stat though. There are a great many factors to look at when comparing entire countries....Culture and unity would be the first. Our country is divided right down the middle. We are bound to fail...guns or not.
As for the bicycle seat....haha...cute. You really seem to put a lot of worth into lifeless objects....<shakes head> First guns, now bicycle seats....that's very interesting....:)
The top five states with the least restrictive gun laws in the US lead in per capita homicides. Alaska, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi.

Ranking in the bottom five for gun deaths were New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and in last place with the least amount of gun deaths per capita was Hawaii. These are the states with the most restrictive gun laws.

Go figure.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579805 Dec 30, 2012
Just Results wrote:
Church membership and at least 85% attendance should be a requirement before issuing a gun.
No God, no gun. This would slow down violence.
"Nevada: Parents beat son to death for not reading Bible"
http://www.examiner.com/article/nevada-parent...

"Preacher accused of raping women behind church"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44219189/ns/us_ne...

Need more?
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579806 Dec 30, 2012
Truth signed in wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh...also...check this out
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/japa...
it ain't always about the guns....
When it comes to guns, it's always about the guns.

U.S. Shooting Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 100. Top 100!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/us-s...

Most notable:

On Saturday afternoon, a 3-year-old in Guthrie, Okla., died after accidentally shooting himself in the head with a gun he found inside his aunt and uncle's house. His uncle is an Oklahoma state trooper.

A 20-year-old man shot and killed Veronica Soto, a young mother of two, in an apparent road rage incident on Thursday. Soto and her husband had gone out to a nearby Jack in the Box in the Houston area when they became involved in a confrontation with drivers in two other cars. The accused killer Mark Trevino, and the victim's husband pulled guns.

When it comes to the guns, it is always about the guns. Any other nonsense proffered is just smoke and mirrors.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579807 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Republican-controlled House of Representatives
Deal with it.
A extension of the Brady Bill may pass, but it will be just as ineffective as in 94-2004.
This problem will only be solved by changing how America has desensitized violence to our children.
Presentism. This country was founded on violence. It has always been desensitized. You toss out this bon mot with no sense of history and without any support.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579808 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Trained and armed security in the schools, the same as we now do with Court's and Federal buildings.
The Brady Bill was ineffective , clearly it is a time for a new strategy.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/study-fi...
In addition to security , nitrite sniffers, gun safety training classes in the schools along with psyche screening to weed out potentially mentally/ unstable young adults .
Made mandatory from middle school through college.
All of the mass shooters exhibited warning signs that were ignored by both family and friends.
We can't ignore these things anymore they must be addressed on an individual basis.
Oklahoma City and Columbine are examples why gun laws wont change the acts of the mentally unstable.
We also should take a hard look at both video game violence and Hollywood's glamorization of violence. If you want results that will be effective then you have to attack the problem where it resides. In the minds of the troubled youth who commit these atrocities.
In one post you claim America has desensitized our youth to violence and in another you want our schools turned into armed camps.

All this nonsense you propose, most of which is an attack on individual liberty, just so you can hang on to your little penis extension. Weird.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579809 Dec 30, 2012
UR BS wrote:
<quoted text>
The SCOTUS does not agree with you.
Only since 2008. Before that, they did. Why do you think that is?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#579810 Dec 30, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a lifestyle.
I've talked to people in the gym who make it obvious that they're there until they lose weight, and then they're done. They just can't face to concept of working out for the rest of their lives. There are only a small handful of people I see at the gym now who were there when I started.
I've been taking advantage of my gym's paid in full deals and am now paid up until 2016. Best money I've ever spent. I'm determined to live not only a long life, but a quality life.
No matter what happens to me financially, I'll have my gym membership.
That's it.

Make it a lifestyle choice.

And one always feels better after a workout than before.

I never, and I mean never, intentionally skip my daily workout.

The only exception is for impossibility due to long distance travel and major time zone change.

It's the only thing I'm "religious" about.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#579811 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> How do you know the guns were not secure ? I mean he did murder his own mother who owned them , possibly so he could get them. The thing about it is he could have done the same thing with several revolvers. I don't see how anyone can blame the weapon type.
Because he was killing in the petting zoo , even a single shot shot gun could have been used with an equal effect.
Why don't we switch to a less controversial subject?

Say, god and religion and that sort of stuff.

We're killing one another here.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#579812 Dec 30, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Nanoanomaly doesn't "get hostile." She starts out hostile. Something unpleasant happened to her a few decades ago - probably involving an uncle - so, she detests the world in revenge now.
A misanthrope, she became.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579813 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Columbia v. Heller
Holding and Rule (Scalia)
The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Scalia is a subversive. As I stated, 2008. Completely ignoring original intent. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with individual rights or even armed insurrection against a central,government. To claim it does is to ignore completely the history of this country.

The Framers were deeply concerned about the violent disorder that surfaced in Shays’ Rebellion when poor veterans and farmers rose up in western Massachusetts. The revolt was subdued by an ad hoc army assembled by wealthy Bostonians in early 1787, just weeks before the Constitutional Convention convened in Philadelphia. George Washington, who followed Shays’ Rebellion closely, was alarmed by the spreading unrest, thinking it might validate the predictions of the European powers that the new United States would collapse amid internal strife, pitting the rich against the poor and regions against one another. Any review of Washington’s writings in the years after the Revolution show him fretting about civil and economic chaos and the dangers they posed to the country’s hard-won independence.

It is within the context of these concerns that the writing of the U.S. Constitution must be understood. The new governing document marked a thorough rejection of the states’-rights-oriented Articles of Confederation in favor a strong central government that could hold the nation together and address its economic needs. With Washington presiding at the convention, his fellow Virginian James Madison provided the architecture for the new system, which so radically altered the relationship between the central government and the states that a powerful opposition arose, called the Anti-Federalists, to block ratification of the Constitution.

To save his masterwork, Madison joined a sales campaign known as the Federalist Papers in which he not only extolled the economic advantages of the new system but sought to finesse the ardent opposition by downplaying how much power he had bestowed on the central government. Though Madison did not believe a Bill of Rights was necessary, he agreed to add one to win over other skeptics. In effect, the first ten amendments represented concessions to both individual citizens and the states.

The Second Amendment could be viewed as mostly a concession to the states, ensuring the right of a “free State” to arm its citizens for the purpose of maintaining “security” through “a well-regulated Militia.” Until 2008, U.S. Supreme Courts interpreted the Second Amendment’s “right to bear arms” as a collective, not an individual, right.

The reality was that the Framers wrote the Constitution and added the Second Amendment with the goal of creating a strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections, not to enable or encourage uprisings. The key Framers, after all, were mostly men of means with a huge stake in an orderly society, the likes of George Washington and James Madison.

So, yes, you are correct. In 2008, activist judges on the Supreme Court reinterpreted the Second Amendment against the intent of the Founders. Why so you think they did this? Profit?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#579814 Dec 30, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Presentism. This country was founded on violence. It has always been desensitized. You toss out this bon mot with no sense of history and without any support.
Absolutely this country has my support and so does it support I.

Disarming Innocent People, Does Not Protect Innocent People.
Ben Franklin

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579815 Dec 30, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>The top five states with the least restrictive gun laws in the US lead in per capita homicides. Alaska, Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi.
Ranking in the bottom five for gun deaths were New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and in last place with the least amount of gun deaths per capita was Hawaii. These are the states with the most restrictive gun laws.
Go figure.
Americans say that they want these guns in case they need to form a militia and defend themselves from their government. It worked last time, and will again if the government comes with cannons and muskets again.

I'm not really sure how well a gun would work against having your bank accounts seized, your credit cards cancelled, your phone, water, and power disconnected, the roads to your home closed, and a drone with a laser or a missile from low earth orbit aimed at you, but perhaps we'll see.

Or maybe all that "well armed militia" stuff we keep reading about is just a canard. I would think that if you fear your government at that level, it might be time for a new government, which in the 21st century means moving, not revolution (see above). Obviously, the reason for the guns is a fear of one another.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579816 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
The Constitution spells it out plainly in the first sentence.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The citizens armed are supposed to be able to form a militia
as strong as any army to fight for freedom. If necessary , that's the deal and a issue about our country itself.
For example the UN wants to regulate weapon sales globally.
We are against that too.
Now if foreign powers infiltrate from within and the people defenseless , the people posses no power to resist.
No, no, no. The original intent was night to fight against the strong central government. That is already spelled out in the Constitution and any such insurrection is treason. Why must you make these things up?

Within this framework of a democratic Republic, the Framers criminalized taking up arms against the government. Article IV, Section 4 committed the federal government to protect each state from not only invasion but “domestic Violence,” and treason is one of the few crimes defined in the Constitution as “levying war against” the United States as well as giving “Aid and Comfort” to the enemy (Article III, Section 3).

The Framers wrote the Constitution and added the Second Amendment with the goal of creating a strong central government with a citizens-based military force capable of putting down insurrections, not to enable or encourage uprisings. The key Framers, after all, were mostly men of means with a huge stake in an orderly society, the likes of George Washington and James Madison.

The men who gathered in Philadelphia in 1787 weren’t precursors to France’s Robespierre or Russia’s Leon Trotsky, believers in perpetual revolutions. In fact, their work on the Constitution was influenced by the experience of Shays’ Rebellion in western Massachusetts in 1786, a populist uprising that the weak federal government, under the Articles of Confederation, lacked an army to defeat. Daniel Shays, the leader of the revolt, was a former Continental Army captain who joined with other veterans and farmers to take up arms against the government for failing to address their economic grievances. The rebellion alarmed retired Gen. George Washington who received reports on the developments from old Revolutionary War associates in Massachusetts, such as Gen. Henry Knox and Gen. Benjamin Lincoln. Washington was particularly concerned that the disorder might serve the interests of the British, who had only recently accepted the existence of the United States.

On Oct. 22, 1786, in a letter seeking more information from a friend in Connecticut, Washington wrote:“I am mortified beyond expression that in the moment of our acknowledged independence we should by our conduct verify the predictions of our transatlantic foe, and render ourselves ridiculous and contemptible in the eyes of all Europe.” In another letter on Nov. 7, 1786, Washington questioned Gen. Lincoln about the spreading unrest.“What is the cause of all these commotions? When and how will they end?” Lincoln responded:“Many of them appear to be absolutely so [mad] if an attempt to annihilate our present constitution and dissolve the present government can be considered as evidence of insanity.”

“If three years ago [at the end of the American Revolution] any person had told me that at this day, I should see such a formidable rebellion against the laws & constitutions of our own making as now appears I should have thought him a bedlamite – a fit subject for a mad house,” Washington wrote to Knox on Feb. 3, 1787, adding that if the government “shrinks, or is unable to enforce its laws … anarchy & confusion must prevail.”

Your UN paranoia is telling. Your revisionist history is appalling. Your gun worship is disgusting. Your calling Newtown a "shooting at the petting zoo" is inhuman.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579817 Dec 30, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nevada: Parents beat son to death for not reading Bible"
http://www.examiner.com/article/nevada-parent...
"Preacher accused of raping women behind church"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44219189/ns/us_ne...
Need more?
Cue "No True Scotsman" fallacy in 3 2 1.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#579818 Dec 30, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't we switch to a less controversial subject?
Say, god and religion and that sort of stuff.
We're killing one another here.

Hey Catcher I didn't bring it up. I'm tired of it too , but all these people don't understand something here.
That if you change the fundamental Amendments this country was founded on , it ceases to be the country founded.

Huh

Hurst, TX

#579819 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Absolutely this country has my support and so does it support I.
Disarming Innocent People, Does Not Protect Innocent People.
Ben Franklin
That was in no way a relevant response to my post. Why do that? Quote mining Founders does you a disservice. Besides, that quote is only partially correct. Recently, nine innocent bystanders were injured in NYC during a shoot out with trained police officers. Would you claim that if those nine bystanders were armed as well that the harm would have been reduced?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#579820 Dec 30, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>In one post you claim America has desensitized our youth to violence and in another you want our schools turned into armed camps.
All this nonsense you propose, most of which is an attack on individual liberty, just so you can hang on to your little penis extension. Weird.

First of all bozo we have done this , have you seen the video games kids play these days? How about the blockbuster movies ?
I don't want schools turned into anything but schools.
But it's pretty Captain Obvious they need security, after all Banks get it , Court houses get it, Federal buildings get it.

Are those things more precious than children?

When you come back to Earth from your fantasy flight let us know.
Huh

Hurst, TX

#579821 Dec 30, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Catcher I didn't bring it up. I'm tired of it too , but all these people don't understand something here.
That if you change the fundamental Amendments this country was founded on , it ceases to be the country founded.
No. Not at all. Unless you think slavery and not allowing women to vote are wonderful ideas. Do you have any sense of history?

SCOTUS 2008 changed the original intent of the Second Amendment. That has already been established, but, you liked that ruling. Okay, let's use your stilted line of reasoning. Let's use the definition of "arms" as established in 1776. You can keep and bear as many as those as you want. Now go trade in your Glocks and Bushmasters immediately.

Ugh.

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