Prove there's a god.

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Since: Oct 10

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#579116 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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But nobody is "entitled" to free money & food.
.. infants and children are ..

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#579117 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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But thank you very much for your service! What did you do?
.. you're welcome. Ask HFY or River Tam ..

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579119 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Well, shit. An atheist just acknowldged that Christians do a lot of good...
Thanks.
As far as the "America is a Christian nation", I'm not talking about legally. I'm talking about influence. Our founders were Christian men that wanted to openly practice their Christianity without fear of persecusion from our government.
They drafted the Constitution in a perfect way - to let people be religious not be religious without EVER worrying that the government will stop them.
Theocracies don't work & they knew it. They wanted true freedom, as much as poosible anyway, for all Americans.
We agree on that. There was plenty of Christian influence in the founding of this nation. Some of it was good (such as post-Enlightenment ethics), some bad (such as slavery). Not all of the founders were Christian, but most were (some were self-described Deists). Some of the founders did want to found a Christian theocracy, and that was bitterly contested. Fortunately they did not succeed, because as you say, theocracies don't work. Which makes the developments in Israel interesting, but that is another story.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#579120 Dec 28, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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LOL. I remember that.
How about this one, sung in basic while marching:
A yellow bird
With a yellow bill
Was sitting on
My windowsill
I lured him in
With a piece of bread
And then I crushed
His fcuking head.
The Army and I were less than a perfect fit.
I think we did that one.

Yeah.

I didn't make a lot of friends among my "superiors" either.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579121 Dec 28, 2012
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>You can't be that delusional.
I still don't get the logic of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "a gun is just a tool". If there was ever an argument where the protagonist was begging to bury their head in the sand, that must be it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579122 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wow, you are dense.
you just gave examples & defintions of "face".
We were discussing the PHRASE (not word), "the face of the waters", which is a metaphor.
You are saying something is a metaphor without even needing to, that's the sad part. Every surface has a face, most have a front and back face, face is the name of an object's surface, it's not metaphorical, and it doesn't need to. You are so defensive about your mythology you even try to justify parts that don't need it. "Face of the waters" means just that, the surface of the volume of liquid called water.

When you realize just how use to making up excuses for your beliefs, you will soon realize why your beliefs are delusional.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#579123 Dec 28, 2012
ChaosInMe wrote:
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The point being:
It could not have occurred with out some sort of outside influence...
That's a bare assertion.

You must be able to back it up.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#579124 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are dense.
Do you mean that literally or figuratively?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#579125 Dec 28, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
And it's not just kids.

Here's a so-called expert.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579126 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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I still don't get the logic of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "a gun is just a tool". If there was ever an argument where the protagonist was begging to bury their head in the sand, that must be it.
Actually, it's not wrong, it is still correct. Most gun murders are done by late teens and early twenties as well.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/wea...

Such a trend demonstrates opportunistic killing, which literally tells us nothing of why they chose the gun. Linking things like this is a correlation to causation fallacy, and why I usually don't get into such discussions because both sides are wrong, and both sides are too passionate to demonstrate just why they are wrong. With isolated countries, geographically speaking, it is feasible to reduce gun killings by limiting access, but we are far from isolated, and way too massive of a country for such to be effective. So restricting access is not the answer, now the question is "what is the solution?" Well, sadly, there is no simple one, and likely all will fail in some way. However areas with stricter gun laws in the US have shown no declines in crimes involving guns, which further complicates the entire matter. However areas with higher educational standards have always shown to have fewer crimes over all, including murders. So a truly viable solution would be to educate people. Thus the whole debate is just silly.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579127 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You guys keep saying that w/o any explanation.....
You must have missed this:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#579128 Dec 28, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Accidents.
Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579129 Dec 28, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>*snicker*
Yes.
Wait, wait, question for the fundies:
Which is worse, Islam, Catholicism, or Satanism?
My guess is that they'd resent a different sect of their own religion more than an entirely different one. Especially one that has been much more successful.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#579130 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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True. So what's the answer? Try to remove all guns? I don't think so.
Most guns that are made result in no deaths. Most gun owners use their guns in a very responsible way. I think removing all guns would punish those that don't deserve any punishment.
Besides, illegal gun owners would still have their illegal guns.
We need one of these in every school.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#579131 Dec 28, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Worse. Kids find the gun, shatter the whole family's lives.

Not to mention the domestic dispute, with alcohol, and a gun in the house.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579132 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, it's not wrong, it is still correct. Most gun murders are done by late teens and early twenties as well.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/wea...
Such a trend demonstrates opportunistic killing, which literally tells us nothing of why they chose the gun. Linking things like this is a correlation to causation fallacy, and why I usually don't get into such discussions because both sides are wrong, and both sides are too passionate to demonstrate just why they are wrong. With isolated countries, geographically speaking, it is feasible to reduce gun killings by limiting access, but we are far from isolated, and way too massive of a country for such to be effective. So restricting access is not the answer, now the question is "what is the solution?" Well, sadly, there is no simple one, and likely all will fail in some way. However areas with stricter gun laws in the US have shown no declines in crimes involving guns, which further complicates the entire matter. However areas with higher educational standards have always shown to have fewer crimes over all, including murders. So a truly viable solution would be to educate people. Thus the whole debate is just silly.
I agree that it's unrealistic in the foreseeable future to remove a substantive number of guns from our society. Politically, it's just not going to happen. I maintain that there is no good reason not to strictly regulate gun ownership as a viable alternative. As you say, there is no simple solution, except better education and employment opportunities would go a long way to mitigating violent crime. Pretending that guns don't cause problems won't do anything.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#579133 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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I agree that it's unrealistic in the foreseeable future to remove a substantive number of guns from our society. Politically, it's just not going to happen. I maintain that there is no good reason not to strictly regulate gun ownership as a viable alternative. As you say, there is no simple solution, except better education and employment opportunities would go a long way to mitigating violent crime. Pretending that guns don't cause problems won't do anything.
.. hi ya Oscar !!..

.. unfortunately, you can't regulate or legislate insanity. Imagine YD in a gay or lesbian bar ..

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579134 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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I agree that it's unrealistic in the foreseeable future to remove a substantive number of guns from our society. Politically, it's just not going to happen. I maintain that there is no good reason not to strictly regulate gun ownership as a viable alternative. As you say, there is no simple solution, except better education and employment opportunities would go a long way to mitigating violent crime. Pretending that guns don't cause problems won't do anything.
Another helpful advent, more free video games will also likely decrease criminal activity in the largest portion of those using guns in crimes. Funny thing is that the advent of games and the internet is literally the only correlation to a decrease in crimes that started in the 80s. I guess the "idle hands" adage is actually true in a sense. My mother had one good point when I was young, she liked us playing video games as teens because, in her words, "it's better than them joining a gang out of boredom." Which was exactly what happened. I had a friend who was in a gang, but I never had time to "join up" or even learn much about it because I was too busy playing Final Fantasy and exchanging tips and tricks about the game with other friends.

Nostalgia aside, it's pretty much finding the vices that people enjoy and making them more available to the "trouble" areas, as you mentioned better job opportunities for adults, also relaxing the child labor laws a bit, those just went out of control. Education is key, and likely why the internet had an impact as well, more information available so those with curiosity had much more to do.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579135 Dec 28, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. hi ya Oscar !!..
.. unfortunately, you can't regulate or legislate insanity. Imagine YD in a gay or lesbian bar ..
Pft, I've been in both those kinds of bars, nothing special, I don't know how YD would be phased .. I mean ... they can't be that insane, can they?
Nobody

Irving, TX

#579136 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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I still don't get the logic of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "a gun is just a tool". If there was ever an argument where the protagonist was begging to bury their head in the sand, that must be it.
Yeah I have 3 guns and I have yet had 1 of them jump up and shoot me or anyone else, mind you that would be scarry. They don't do much , I think my guns are crippled.

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