Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579062 Dec 28, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't think we should remove all guns or make them illegal. I happen to be a gun enthusiast. I own an M1 Garand (my favorite), M48 8mm Mauser and a few more......
but I think the extreme position the NRA takes is wrong. We can start with background checks and required training for gun ownership
knee jerk reactions to tragedies like happened in Conn. won't solve the issue and its not fair to punish law abiding gun owners for the deranged
Then whatever state you're in, fight for gun laws like in CA. They work.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579063 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the bullet more powerful than God? Like metal chariot wheels (according to the Bible)?
No, of course not. But God gave us all free will, even to the sadist that point a gun a person and shoots in cold blood.

No, not like the metal chariots that you've misunderstood....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579064 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you unaware of how his fiscal policies allowed banks to lend to unqualified buyers, then promptly sell them off? And who bailed out the banks when the results of their behavior came to fruition?
GW Bush is not to blame for everything, but he is certainly to blame for letting his banking cronies gorge themselves and then have the public bail them out. Just as his father did in the S&L scandal in the 90s.
Actually, he was not wrong on the his inference, I don't think that's the correct word but meh. Anyhow, the president doesn't have nearly as much control of things as people think, and often they get the blame, or credit, for things they really don't do. It's why the politicians in power will place rockstars into the positions, they are the scapegoats. The other bit of misconception is that people think they directly vote for the president, when in reality your votes for the president don't matter, what matters is who you vote for locally, it's a "trickle up" effect, actually. Your local politicians are the ones responsible for the policies, and who's in power, ultimately it's really the voters who are to blame or credit though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579065 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you unaware of how his fiscal policies allowed banks to lend to unqualified buyers, then promptly sell them off? And who bailed out the banks when the results of their behavior came to fruition?
GW Bush is not to blame for everything, but he is certainly to blame for letting his banking cronies gorge themselves and then have the public bail them out. Just as his father did in the S&L scandal in the 90s.
I get it. Y'all need a scapegoat to blame & GW seems like the perfect country "bible thumper" for you.

It isn't the governments fault for giving people credit for homes & mortgages they could never afford.

It isn't the governments fault that the price of homes falsley went up so high.

It isn't the governments fault that in 2006, 500,000 illegal aliens were given home loans....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579066 Dec 28, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
I never did.
Me neither.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579067 Dec 28, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your home is much more dangerous than mine. It has guns in it. You are aware, are you not, of who is most likely to be killed by one of your guns? It's not an intruder. It's you and your wife.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
HA! How do you figure?
Already answered at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

It's not surprising that you are as unaware of this as you are the problem with privatized prisons and draconian prison sentencing. You do your nation a disservice. Your neighbors need you to do better.

Do you remember this, where you bought into the Bush administrations patently transparent lies for its reason for invading Iraq, and I chastised you for it?: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

America needs its citizens to do better. It's about half of you that fail the other half - what I called "the retarded brother."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579068 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are advocating that you be dealt with more harshly than you presumably were? That's interesting.
The charges were dropped Monday morning. I was released after 2 days. It was basically a misunderstanding.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579069 Dec 28, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Wonder what they'll say when the little kiddies start drawing pentagrams in chalk on the schoolyard...
Hey, it's the worship of a god, they can't complain without being hypocrites.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579070 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible doesn't mean what it says?
Curiouser and curiouser...
Really? Genesis 1:2 says that water has a face. Do you think it really means that?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#579071 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
The great institutions Christians in America have founded over 200-plus years – a government, a system of law and order, schools, hospitals, charities that save millions of lives – stare us in the face every day.
Most of these have also come about through the free-market system, by the way. What have liberal-socialist secular humanists done with their conceited intellectualism and government reliance? Tear down, undermine and traffic without substance or positive action.
Them people always act like know better, but they have accomplished nothing, while Christians in America recognize need and go to meet those needs worldwide.
You are really missing the point. 100% of the founders of this country could have been the most fundamentalist Christians imaginable, but they opted to draft a government free of any ties to any specific religion nevertheless. The Bible has exactly 0 legal authority in this country. Moreover, our system of laws has nothing to do with the Bible. Like I said, is it the law to observe the Sabbath? Are women forbidden from leadership roles in either the government or public?

As for institutions such as hospitals, Christians did not invent them, nor are they all Christian. It's fair to give Christians credit for the charity and service they actually provide of course, but not to pretend that Christians are unique in doing such things.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#579072 Dec 28, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
"What are the moral values that Christianity brought to the world?
Lord the Lord your God -- do you put another God or anything before him, keep a Sabbath (the day of the week matters very little), do not keep idols, do not take his name in vain, pray to God for all things, worship Him, do not neglect going to church because it is important for growth

Love Others as yourself -- do not do anything that will cause your brother to stumble or sin, do not hate, do not steal, do not lie, do not become jealous of your neighbor's life, do not lust, do not commit adultery, do not fornicate, treat your body as it is a temple of the Holy Spirit, do not become drunk on alcohol, let your speech be that of thankfulness not course talking or vulgar language, bear the burdens of others, pray for one another about all things.
I mean which ideas were new when Jesus spoke them?
All of them, they weren't said before.
Did he have any new ideas, and if so, were they good ones?
Yes, He had new ideas, see above. Whether or not they were good is a matter of opinion. For example, the Romans & you obviously don't think they're too good.
The Golden Rule, for example, is much older than the time of Jesus.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is often attributed to Christianity but some people claim it's much older. Either way, Jesus made it world-known.

There are a few questions, I hope I'm ansering the right ones, because as usual you ask questions then follow with an answer...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#579073 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, he was not wrong on the his inference, I don't think that's the correct word but meh. Anyhow, the president doesn't have nearly as much control of things as people think, and often they get the blame, or credit, for things they really don't do. It's why the politicians in power will place rockstars into the positions, they are the scapegoats. The other bit of misconception is that people think they directly vote for the president, when in reality your votes for the president don't matter, what matters is who you vote for locally, it's a "trickle up" effect, actually. Your local politicians are the ones responsible for the policies, and who's in power, ultimately it's really the voters who are to blame or credit though.
Well, some beach....

I agree.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#579074 Dec 28, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Already answered at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
It's not surprising that you are as unaware of this as you are the problem with privatized prisons and draconian prison sentencing. You do your nation a disservice. Your neighbors need you to do better.
Do you remember this, where you bought into the Bush administrations patently transparent lies for its reason for invading Iraq, and I chastised you for it?: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
America needs its citizens to do better. It's about half of you that fail the other half - what I called "the retarded brother."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Hold on, you want to use statistics to say that your home is safer than mine because you don't have guns in your house?

okeeee.......

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579075 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Please explain how a gun kills a person........
You asked me recently why I thought that Christians still wanted to kill skeptics, having rejected the argument that your church remains sadistic and murderous even in the 21st century based on the church's history, it's failure to apologize or express any remorse about its past, and the words of modern Christians callling for reinstating Christians theocracy. You didn't think any of it represented evidence that your church still wasn't housebroken.

From KJV on another thread

"You see we just want to make sure that while you're not in heaven but in the other place we want you to relive all of these moments that put you there. To haunt you for all eternity while flames burn the flesh off of your bones."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

This man would stone me to death or burn me alive if it were legal. And he's just one of several on Topix alone.

As part of that argument, I commented that, "I have zero doubt that if they legalized the church burning witches at the stake, that you would smell them burning from downwind on the first day that it was legal."

I also asked you or any other Christian to name me an example of a time or place where the church had the power to torture and kill, but elected not to use it.

Your collective answer has been the same as it was for the question about original moral thought from Jesus - deafening silence.

I don't mind you evading the issue. I get just as much mileage out of it this way, as long as I remember that I asked the question, and point out that it has been evaded.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#579076 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Genesis 1:2 says that water has a face. Do you think it really means that?
um .... the stupid you posted ... it hurts.

The "face" of a surface is the plane in which it occupies, plane such as x, y or z not "dimensional plane." It's like you're 3 and everything has to be explained in detail to you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#579077 Dec 28, 2012
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
You are really missing the point. 100% of the founders of this country could have been the most fundamentalist Christians imaginable, but they opted to draft a government free of any ties to any specific religion nevertheless. The Bible has exactly 0 legal authority in this country. Moreover, our system of laws has nothing to do with the Bible. Like I said, is it the law to observe the Sabbath? Are women forbidden from leadership roles in either the government or public?
As for institutions such as hospitals, Christians did not invent them, nor are they all Christian. It's fair to give Christians credit for the charity and service they actually provide of course, but not to pretend that Christians are unique in doing such things.
Well, shit. An atheist just acknowldged that Christians do a lot of good...
Thanks.

As far as the "America is a Christian nation", I'm not talking about legally. I'm talking about influence. Our founders were Christian men that wanted to openly practice their Christianity without fear of persecusion from our government.

They drafted the Constitution in a perfect way - to let people be religious not be religious without EVER worrying that the government will stop them.

Theocracies don't work & they knew it. They wanted true freedom, as much as poosible anyway, for all Americans.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579078 Dec 28, 2012
UR BS wrote:
If a person believes so be it that does not harm anyone.
We don't care what you believe. We care what you do.

Even under humanist hegemony, you'll always be free to nail some jingly bells and your chicken to a stick and shake it at the moon if that's what you think centers your life and gives it a moral foundation.

But the church isn't satisfied to keep its beliefs confined to the lives of believers, and the rest of us don't care what the chicken thinks about gay marriage, sex education, stem cell research, school prayer, extramarital sex between consenting adults, abortion, evolution, or anything else.

Since the Christians don't seem to respect that, we need to gently help them to do so.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579079 Dec 28, 2012
Huh wrote:
Fischer made the case that, in his mind, God would have protected the shooting victims had there been a system of school prayer and a respect for the Ten Commandments in public classrooms.
Fischer is obviously incorrect. They have prayer and the Ten Commandments in churches, but it doesn't protect the kids from being raped.

I guess their god likes to watch.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#579080 Dec 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why would you agree with that?
You know it's a good thing that the good guys have the big bombs?
Imagine how many millions Hitler would've killed if he had the nuke first?
Imagine how many Iran will kill if they get nukes...
Don't be so naive.
try reading the article....you might learn something

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#579081 Dec 28, 2012
Huh wrote:
From the US Congress JOINT Economic Committee
http://www.jec.senate.gov/public/...
Helpful link. Thanks.

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