Prove there's a god.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573892 Dec 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =OeZb0pQsOsoXX
blah, blah blah........blah blah blah.
If it sticks, it works. Trust me. It sticks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

75ft.

It sticks.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#573893 Dec 16, 2012
Susie wrote:
<quoted text>Now, I never once said the x has not been used in place of Christ.. In fact, I specifically said it was a Greek representation before you googled it and brought it up.. I am not Greek so I do not use it... I know your spin and I do not accept it.
What I said was.. I as in ME PERSONALY as in MYSELF will not acknowledge the x for MY CHRIST nor that I acknowledge the term xtain or xtianity or any form there of.. xmen is a movie by my standards adn you cannot and will not force me to take Christ our of the equation to suit your own needs. it is used by atheist NOW as a removal and you can lie but you and I both know that to be true.
You are unbelievable , it isn't used by atheists to do anything to your religion, like that is even possible.
It is used by your religion invented by your religion and accepted by your religion ...get a clue you don't have one.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#573894 Dec 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaaa....
No, I'm not Jewish.
I am able to understand, however, your myth falls apart if you don't adhere to the conditions that the parent myth(Judaism) set forth as conditions and prophecy.

Each and every Xtian bends the myth around in prophesy to mean exactly what they decide it to mean. It doesn't matter what the bible or anybody say's. It only matters what I think it says.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573895 Dec 16, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Each and every Xtian bends the myth around in prophesy to mean exactly what they decide it to mean. It doesn't matter what the bible or anybody say's. It only matters what I think it says.
Agreed.

It is an odd situation when the Christian actually does investigate or look into the validity of their belief/religion only only to find it's utterly false. If that does happen you'll generally discover, too, that other deity/religious beliefs are false as well. It's a progression.

I said -*If*- that happens.*If* so, they rarely retain the belief, as many of us know.

That rarely happens, however, because I tend to think at some point they stop, the "faith"(willful ignorance at that point) kicks in and they go back to whatever specific denominational delusion they have embraced.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#573896 Dec 16, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
It was about the subject of slavery. Do you condone it like the Bible god does?
If you are saying the Bible condones slavery then you make common cause with Southern racists who tried to do the same thing. Take for example Deut. 23:15-16. This references non Israeli slaves who escape cruel Canaanite masters. Slaves were not to be handed over and not to be mistreated. In other words if they escaped to Israel there were to be taken care of. Exod 22:21. You shall not wrong a stranger or oppress him for you were strangers (slaves) in the land of Egypt. 22. You shall not afflict any widow or orphan. 23. If you afflict him at all and if he does cry out to Me I will surely hear his cry; 24. and My anger will be kindled and i will kill you with the sword, and your wives will become widows and your children fatherless.

This means slaves, aliens, widows, orphans had rights derived from God, just like it says in our Declaration of Independence. All the oppressed have to do is call out to God and God will hear. Over and over again nations are judged by God for mistreatment of people. In Amos 5:11, Israel is judged in part because they ''impose heavey rent on the poor And exact a tribute of grain from them.'' These are just a few examples. I could go on and on. Sodom had careless ease but did not help the poor. That is easy enough to find in Ezekiel.

My point being most here do not really know what they are talking about when they address slavery as depicted. They take a few verses probably from hostile websites, the same way southern racists did in the past to justisfy a practice which is abominable to God. There were debt slaves but they were not to be mistreated.

All of that does not make a difference to Topix biblical illiterates who can do nothing but post from hostile sites or sources. And i know most of you are because all i have to do is get you in a discussion about the Bible and absent your sources and i get no response.

Since: May 11

Nottingham, UK

#573897 Dec 16, 2012
Semper Fi Brother Beam

say some more stuff that Bart wrote down we're strapped for comedy.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#573898 Dec 16, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Each and every Xtian bends the myth around in prophesy to mean exactly what they decide it to mean. It doesn't matter what the bible or anybody say's. It only matters what I think it says.
And the Bible means exactly what you want it to mean. The problem being you don't really know what you are talking about, when it comes to Scripture, and those that do can spot a phony from a mile off.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573899 Dec 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Rhetorical has to do with artificial elegance. There is no point in asking a question you already know the answer.
I disagree, as did the ancient Greeks, who attempted to study and codify rhetoric and rhetorical techniques, which have to do with the art of persuasive speech. A rhetorical question makes a statement in the form of a question. From the McCarthy hearings in 1954:

"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

Nobody was waiting for an answer.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573900 Dec 16, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Not much, I would have to assume. Nobody bothered chronicling his life while he was alive.
"Hey, Jesus!"

"Hey Sofrates, good to see you. How're the wife and kids?"

"Oh, dude, listen, they're away. Let's party!"

"Woohoo, bring me some water!"

"hahaha, always the kidder. You! Servant! Get some wine - my best - for this man."

"Ah...you totally rock dude. Who rocks? You! You do! Yeah, baby."

<glug, glug, glug>

[later]

One hot girl: "Who's that hottie dancing in the dirty grey robe?"

Another hot girl: "That's Jesus. Come on, I'll introduce you."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573901 Dec 16, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Jesus may not even be the most important person in Christian history. Constantine probably did more for Christianity than Jesus.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Now you are talking about Christian history. That is not what Ehrman is referencing. He is referencing human history.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Was there a point to that? In what way does that change anything in this discussion?
<crickets>

Incidentally, like most people, I tend to assume when you ignore a point that it is because you had no acceptable answer.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If Jesus isn't the most important person in Christian history, he isn't the most important person inhuman history, either.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Then who is and why?
I already told you that both Paul and Constantine were more instrumental in establishing the Christian religion and its church
than Christ. Of the two, I think Constantine was the more important. Wasn't he the one that made Paul relevant and kept him off of the cutting room floor when the bible was being cobbled at the Council of Nicea? Jesus, too, for that matter. This is where it was decided which words would be imputed to Jesus and which would be ignored. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573902 Dec 16, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
That isn't true , the theory civilization was born from war is wrong.
It didn't start that way , to prove it they had to find an untainted original civilization. One was finally found and the evidence shows it was peaceful , somehow greed took over though and they became the way you describe.
Caral proves civilization was born without the restraints we placed on it. It's sad it has become that way , perhaps it is the rivalry between different ones that made it become that way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =61x7jHvBcYYXX
Do you have a scientific reference I can read?

Sorry, but I just don't believe these "it used to be perfect" stories.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573903 Dec 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Ignores the fact if it was not for Jesus; Paul would have nothing to write about.
So what? The same would be true about Mr. and Mrs. Christ, assuming anybody named Jesus was actually involved.

Even if such a man existed, we have no way of knowing which of the words attributed to him were ever actually spoken by him. Jesus is a shadowy character, and the words ascribed to him of unknown authenticity.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573904 Dec 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Much of what Paul wrote about is similar to the teachings of Jesus.
More importantly, much is not.

Jesus taught in Matt. 5:18-19 that Old Testament law was still in effect:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

But Paul had a different idea in Romans 10:4:

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for every one who believes."

That's two radically different religions there - Jesus version, which includes the 613 Commandments called the Law of Moses - and Paul's, which dismissed them and starts over. Which tradition do you think you resemble more, the one that doesn't tolerate witches, working on the Sabbath, or sassy children, or the one that ignores those Commandments?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#573905 Dec 16, 2012
MisterCharrington wrote:
Semper Fi Brother Beam
say some more stuff that Bart wrote down we're strapped for comedy.
Actually i was in the Navy. Go read Bart yourself. Bart is a double PH.D. who is agnostic with 30+ years experience and he is a gentleman. Although i do not agree with his interpretations, he certainly does make know what he is talking about which makes him a cut above Topix biblical illiterates who pontificate from positions of ignorance with impunity for the time being.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573906 Dec 16, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>No, god guides him here so that he can see the satanic evil of atheism first hand! Duh.
Meaning that Satan is actually manipulating God so that waaasssuuup finds His handiwork.

And I won't say "dddduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu h!" to you since I want you to like me so I can pull you over to Satan's side.

Want some cherries? Wine? Pomegranate! Sex?

What's your pleasure, baby?

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#573907 Dec 16, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You are an atheist, too, because you don't believe in Allah.
YOU ARE AN INDIDEL AND YOU MUST DIE!
No...you are an atheist because you don't believe in Krishna.
MAY YOU SUFFER EVIL KARMA!
No...you are an atheist because you don't believe in Buddha.
MAY BUDDHA SMACK YOU WITH THE TRUNK OF HIS BO TREE!
Yes, Just Results, you may believe in "god" but you don't believe in those other "gods" so that makes you an atheist...to ALLAH, BUDDHA and KRISHNA!
JUST RESULTS IS AN ATHEIST!!!!!!!
Your ignorance is showing again.

Just Results is a Christian.

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#573908 Dec 16, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the Jesus doesn't fulfill OT Mashiach prophecy as required, you follow a false "Messiah".
I guess you think if you repeat this lie enough times, it will become true. You foliow a true "Destroyer"....Satan .

Stop humiliating yourself and become a courageous Christian,.....

drop your lies, drop your ignorance, remove yourself from your lifestyle of hatred and become a Christian.

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#573909 Dec 16, 2012
Susie wrote:
<quoted text>I am not engaging in this battle with you. Jesus was Jewish and the Bible says anyone/nation who goes against His chosen people will not stand. I am sure God above would not like me to badger or harass the people who chose him before all others; his chosen people.
I am a gentile and the only way I can be seen before God is through his son and I am not playing a game of religion with someone I actually admire for the bloodline of my Christ; it is not right and God would not want me too; neither would Jesus. I have chosen my path and it will lead me to God. You do not have to believe me, I don't care. You do not have to accept Christ; that is your choice; you are not a gentile and from my understanding Jesus is not your key, but he is mine. I am not of Jewish decent so I do not know how that works and I won’t pretend. The way to God is through Christ and that is what I choose
It's awesome to be a Christian. Being on the winning side takes a lot of pressure off the mind, allowing a person to think freely.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573910 Dec 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
You have no objective standard for justice in th first place.
Nobody does, most certainly not the Christian church.
lightbeamrider wrote:
In the real world, might does make right. If you want to test that hypothesis just get in your car and run some red lights and speed down the road. Do it all the time until they catch you. Run some red lights. A man with a gun strapped to his side will pull you over and demand to see your Drivers License. If you smart off to him then you may get arrested which means you will be put in handcuffs and taken to jail. Might makes right!
Your ethics are simply atrocious. All that you are arguing here is that might is power, not that its use is necessarily right.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573911 Dec 16, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
You have to leech off objective standards while at the same time deny they really exist.
Au contraire.

Rational ethicists have been ignoring your bible and reshaping your brutal moral code for centuries now. We just saw Paul doing exactly that. He simply rejected the Old Law and the words of Jesus to obey it.

Good call, and entirely consistent with rational, compassionate ethics. The laws were counterproductive, somebody noticed, and they were jettisoned.

And such thought has been whittling away at your so called objective moral code ever since. Paul told you to stop stoning children. We were the ones that taught you that it is wrong to burn people alive and to own or beat slaves.

Your so called god gets zero credit for coming up with anything worth keeping. People already knew not to lie or murder, and to obey the Golden Rule long before your religion existed. What else is in that book worth preserving? Is there even one original idea in it worth keeping? If so, I don't know what it is.

So, as a matter of record, it is you throwbacks that are the ethical parasites. You have given us nothing. And there are still a few Christian values that need to be purged from Western culture: your hatred of mankind, your estrangement from the real material world, your hatred of science, your scapegoating of gays and atheists, your antisemitism, your misogyny, and your guilt provoking and frigidity producing sexual prudery for starters.

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