Prove there's a god.

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#573510 Dec 15, 2012

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#573511 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Obviously, I did. That's how I knew that all your links were Christian apologetics sites,
If the information is accurate, then the source does not matter.
and that one of them was laughable. You apparently didn't read my response to know that, or to know that such sites are unacceptable to unbelievers.
Again, if the information is accurate then the source does not matter. Secular historians deny supernatural. So naturally they are going to be suspect of accounts which allow for miracles. They do not want to forfeit credibility in their fields. There is a group think there. Take GoMark for example. They late date it to around 70AD because it contains predictive prophesy about Jerusalem destruction. Read Matthew Henry Bible Commentary on line regarding Ezek. 37. If you read it carefully then you will see it predicts the rebirth of Israel as a nation at the exact same spot and undivided. Completed early 1700s (?) when Israel did not exist. Now lets say 1000 years from now someone discovers a fragmented copy of that writing and knew Israel came back in 1948. They would have to conclude the Matthew Henry Commentary fragment was no earlier than 1948. While we know it was completed far earlier. I think that is called confirmation bias.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#573512 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
If you want to present yourself as a bottom feeder, well who am i to argue?
You don't like my opinions, so you feel the need to dehumanize me. You people have a tough time staying out of the gutter, don't you? You people almost always do this.

It's all good. Show us what Christians are made of. Show us what a Christian upbringing produces. Show us the benefits of a lifetime of going to church.

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#573513 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, but it's irrelevant. I can stipulate for you that he existed without knowing whether it is true or not. His historicity means nothing to me if he wasn't also a god.
I've read conflicting data. As I said, it doesn't matter either way.
Yeah it does not mean anything because you are on the losing side of that argument.

''One could easily argue that the Bible is the most important book in the history of western civilization. What other books come close in terms of historical, social, and cultural significance? Who (Besides IANS) wouldn't want to know more about a book that has transformed millions of lives and affected entire civilizations?...It is important for all of us--at least for all of us interesred in human history, society and culture.''

''One could argue as well that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the west,(Jesus means nothing to IANS) looked at from a historical, social, and cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance.''

Bart Ehrman.(Agnostic leaning towards atheism) Did Jesus Exist. p.95.

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#573514 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> If the information is accurate, then the source does not matter.
Huh?
endtime

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#573515 Dec 15, 2012
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#573516 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You don't like my opinions, so you feel the need to dehumanize me. You people have a tough time staying out of the gutter, don't you? You people almost always do this.
It's all good. Show us what Christians are made of. Show us what a Christian upbringing produces. Show us the benefits of a lifetime of going to church.
Well you select edit my post and then accuse me of dehumanizing you? I believe you are 100% human and lost.

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#573517 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
''One could argue as well that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the west,(Jesus means nothing to IANS) looked at from a historical, social, and cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance.''
Bart Ehrman.(Agnostic leaning towards atheism) Did Jesus Exist. p.95.
You had me going and then I realized that I'm not from the west.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#573518 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I am an atheist, a target of your church's scapegoating
lightbeamrider wrote:
Are you crying?
Atta boy. Show us what the fruits of the spirit have done for you. Jesus is the potter, and you are the clay, right?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You are an aberation to atheists in that you demonstrate an unreasonable hate towards Christians.
I don't hate Christians. I don't think much of most of them, but I don't hate them. I see you as the principle victims of your church.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#573519 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Murder is murder. That is an objective moral standard your atheism does not allow.
Atheism doesn't have moral standards. It isn't an ethical system
lightbeamrider wrote:
If your atheism is true then all them children murdered and the killer only suffer the same fate. Non existence, nothingness. No justice, no purpose. Your atheism is bankrupt.
If that's how reality is, then that's how it is. If your philosophy teaches you to call reality bankrupt, I'd say that you need a new philosophy.

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#573520 Dec 15, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Huh?
That is right. if the information is true or accurate then the source does not matter. Keep that in mind and use it. If you have teachers and they question your sources then you know what to say to them. They cannot refute the truth of your claim by discrediting the source. Truth claims cannot be refuted if they are true. Truth wins out every time!

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#573521 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Atheism doesn't have moral standards. It isn't an ethical system
<quoted text>
If that's how reality is, then that's how it is. If your philosophy teaches you to call reality bankrupt, I'd say that you need a new philosophy.
Well if you fo to a funeral of a murder victim, i would suggest you keep your mouth shut.

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#573522 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That is right. if the information is true or accurate then the source does not matter. Keep that in mind and use it. If you have teachers and they question your sources then you know what to say to them. They cannot refute the truth of your claim by discrediting the source. Truth claims cannot be refuted if they are true. Truth wins out every time!
Even you know that's not true.

The source must be vetted.

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#573523 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Well if you fo to a funeral of a murder victim, i would suggest you keep your mouth shut.
I suggest you keep your mouth shut too.

It's not about you is it? If it's your funeral, speak up.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#573524 Dec 15, 2012
River Tam wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =cfuJnUJa5JAXX
I think Piers was right.
River Tam wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =q8D7vribc5c
Leh-wan-yeh-ah. I hadn't realized what a sphincter Alex Jones was.
River Tam wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MVvOi-JLidE
Very scary.

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#573525 Dec 15, 2012
it is tough to prove

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#573526 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think Piers was right.
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Leh-wan-yeh-ah. I hadn't realized what a sphincter Alex Jones was.
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Very scary.
I think Piers is wrong. I don't own any guns but if I decide to, I will. Legally would be better, I think.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#573527 Dec 15, 2012
Just Results wrote:
It's Christmas time, and an atheist did the unthinkable today in killing 26 people. When are we going to take action and remove their rights to continue with this activity?????
.. you are using the death and pain of others to promote your belief system. That's despicable ..

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

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just better than yesterday

#573528 Dec 15, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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When are you going to realize that what happened today is the net result of atheism? How old are you? Have you not been paying attention to what has happened over the past 50 years? Are you a desensitized idiot like so many others ?
Wake up, you morron.
JR. The evil a hole that did this was mentally unstable or so were told. We don't know if he was atheist or not. I prefer to wait for the information rather than rely on a knee jerk response. His judgement for what he did to these beautiful babies is now in the hands of God and accusing the atheists for what this asswipe did is as undeserving as accusing Christians of being responsible for what some crazy people may have done in the past as well. Lets use common sense.

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#573529 Dec 15, 2012
STFU
lightbeamrider wrote:
If the information is accurate, then the source does not matter.
That is correct.

But how do we decide which information is accurate? Since we can seldom verify the information ourselves, to believe that it might be accurate requires that it come from a reliable source. The source's reputation is important.

As I said, Christian apologetics sites are notoriously dishonest, and any factual information on them was imported, not developed there. And in my experience, things found only on a Christian apologetics site have been dishonest.

So, if what you have is accurate, link me to the non-Christian source from whence it originated. If there is no such external source, I don't trust it. Past history matters. Reputation matters.

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