Prove there's a god.

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#573504 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
[QUOTE] It was my point. My point is that forgiveness is cheap for Christians.
You keep repeating that. As if you print it enough times, like a mantra it will be true. Your contempt does not falsify anything. It only demonstrates your contempt.
You pointed to sine mythical execution and implied that that was evidence to the contrary.
A boatload of evidence to the contrary. The execution of Jesus was not mythical. It was actual. If you believe the execution of Jesus was mythical then you are at odds with majority scholarship which includes atheists, agnostics, Muslems, and majority of humans in general. They may differ on who Jesus was. They do not differ on existence.
I think it is an excellent vehicle for delivering criticism. Would you rather I worded my disagreement with more hostility?
Actually it is a poor example. This is, however Topix and the bar is not that high. Your posts along with your hypocrisy fits in nicely. It is up to you how you construct your posts. If you want to present yourself as a bottom feeder, well who am i to argue?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573505 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That Papyrus Ipuwer (first link above) was laughable. Everybody that is interested should consider taking a peak at that.

What else have you got? Anything from an impartial source? I really don't have much confidence in what Christians say about anything any more. You've pretty much shot your wad already.
lightbeamrider wrote:
You have not read what i have given you. If you did you would know there is far more than biblical claims.
Obviously, I did. That's how I knew that all your links were Christian apologetics sites, and that one of them was laughable. You apparently didn't read my response to know that, or to know that such sites are unacceptable to unbelievers.

Why? Because there is nothing that is true that is known only to Christians, or that was discovered by the Christians on these sites. That means that anything worth reading can be found in the impartial, secular source from which it was derived. That's the link I want.

It also means that anything found only on a Christian site is Christian imagination, which I have zero interest in reading.

Did you understand me this time?

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
lightbeamrider wrote:
You have nothing from ancient history which states the Exodus did not happen.
Correct. I also have nothing from ancient history telling me that there was no global flood. But I do have modern scholarship that says both of those.
lightbeamrider wrote:
if you match up the Biblical accounts with the Egyptian accounts then it all works out.
That was the laughable link - to that papyrus. You think it confirms your biblical myth. I don't: http://www.specialtyinterests.net/ipuwer.html
BadBreathBruce

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#573506 Dec 15, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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#573507 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, unkind religion, and yes, my posting embodies my unabashed contempt for it.
That much is obvious.
I am an atheist, a target of your church's scapegoating.
Are you crying?
Don't look for kindness for your church from people like me.
You are an aberation to atheists in that you demonstrate an unreasonable hate towards Christians. You make Ku Kluck and Klan blush.
Your church probably never anticipated that people like me would ever get the opportunity to speak our minds freely and safely like this. Me, neither, but here we are. Hello!
Unlike you i support your right to free hate speech.
Why do you think that your church deserves my kindness? I just listened to Huckabee blaming people like me for the murders in Connecticut. Fk him and his church.
You and that killer have one thing in common. He believed he would not face judgement as do you. His act was atheistic in that sense. If he did believe he would have to answer to God then he would not have done it. That is my take on it. Murder is murder. That is an objective moral standard your atheism does not allow. The closer you get to your atheism the less you can live with its natural consequences. I feel your pain. If your atheism is true then all them children murdered and the killer only suffer the same fate. Non existence, nothingness. No justice, no purpose. Your atheism is bankrupt.
You're welcome to rejoin the human race any time you like. But your church is unforgiven and unforgivable.
if it all the same to you i will stick with Jesus and leave the rest of you to your fate.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573508 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
So you doubt the existence of Jesus as historical figure?
Yes, but it's irrelevant. I can stipulate for you that he existed without knowing whether it is true or not. His historicity means nothing to me if he wasn't also a god.
lightbeamrider wrote:
''Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree Jesus existed...the two events whose historicity is subjest to almost universal assent are that he was baptised by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
I've read conflicting data. As I said, it doesn't matter either way.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#573509 Dec 15, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
<quoted text> And you wouldn't be bragging about atheism coz there's NOTHING to brag about!!
I'm kind of proud of science and the modern secular state, both of which had to wait for superstition and religion to die a little.

What does your church have to brag about?

“What game?”

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#573511 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Obviously, I did. That's how I knew that all your links were Christian apologetics sites,
If the information is accurate, then the source does not matter.
and that one of them was laughable. You apparently didn't read my response to know that, or to know that such sites are unacceptable to unbelievers.
Again, if the information is accurate then the source does not matter. Secular historians deny supernatural. So naturally they are going to be suspect of accounts which allow for miracles. They do not want to forfeit credibility in their fields. There is a group think there. Take GoMark for example. They late date it to around 70AD because it contains predictive prophesy about Jerusalem destruction. Read Matthew Henry Bible Commentary on line regarding Ezek. 37. If you read it carefully then you will see it predicts the rebirth of Israel as a nation at the exact same spot and undivided. Completed early 1700s (?) when Israel did not exist. Now lets say 1000 years from now someone discovers a fragmented copy of that writing and knew Israel came back in 1948. They would have to conclude the Matthew Henry Commentary fragment was no earlier than 1948. While we know it was completed far earlier. I think that is called confirmation bias.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#573512 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
If you want to present yourself as a bottom feeder, well who am i to argue?
You don't like my opinions, so you feel the need to dehumanize me. You people have a tough time staying out of the gutter, don't you? You people almost always do this.

It's all good. Show us what Christians are made of. Show us what a Christian upbringing produces. Show us the benefits of a lifetime of going to church.

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#573513 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, but it's irrelevant. I can stipulate for you that he existed without knowing whether it is true or not. His historicity means nothing to me if he wasn't also a god.
I've read conflicting data. As I said, it doesn't matter either way.
Yeah it does not mean anything because you are on the losing side of that argument.

''One could easily argue that the Bible is the most important book in the history of western civilization. What other books come close in terms of historical, social, and cultural significance? Who (Besides IANS) wouldn't want to know more about a book that has transformed millions of lives and affected entire civilizations?...It is important for all of us--at least for all of us interesred in human history, society and culture.''

''One could argue as well that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the west,(Jesus means nothing to IANS) looked at from a historical, social, and cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance.''

Bart Ehrman.(Agnostic leaning towards atheism) Did Jesus Exist. p.95.

“What game?”

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#573514 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> If the information is accurate, then the source does not matter.
Huh?
endtime

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#573516 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't like my opinions, so you feel the need to dehumanize me. You people have a tough time staying out of the gutter, don't you? You people almost always do this.
It's all good. Show us what Christians are made of. Show us what a Christian upbringing produces. Show us the benefits of a lifetime of going to church.
Well you select edit my post and then accuse me of dehumanizing you? I believe you are 100% human and lost.

“What game?”

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#573517 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
''One could argue as well that Jesus is the most important person in the history of the west,(Jesus means nothing to IANS) looked at from a historical, social, and cultural perspective, quite apart from his religious significance.''
Bart Ehrman.(Agnostic leaning towards atheism) Did Jesus Exist. p.95.
You had me going and then I realized that I'm not from the west.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#573518 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I am an atheist, a target of your church's scapegoating
lightbeamrider wrote:
Are you crying?
Atta boy. Show us what the fruits of the spirit have done for you. Jesus is the potter, and you are the clay, right?
lightbeamrider wrote:
You are an aberation to atheists in that you demonstrate an unreasonable hate towards Christians.
I don't hate Christians. I don't think much of most of them, but I don't hate them. I see you as the principle victims of your church.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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Fennario

#573519 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
Murder is murder. That is an objective moral standard your atheism does not allow.
Atheism doesn't have moral standards. It isn't an ethical system
lightbeamrider wrote:
If your atheism is true then all them children murdered and the killer only suffer the same fate. Non existence, nothingness. No justice, no purpose. Your atheism is bankrupt.
If that's how reality is, then that's how it is. If your philosophy teaches you to call reality bankrupt, I'd say that you need a new philosophy.

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#573520 Dec 15, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
That is right. if the information is true or accurate then the source does not matter. Keep that in mind and use it. If you have teachers and they question your sources then you know what to say to them. They cannot refute the truth of your claim by discrediting the source. Truth claims cannot be refuted if they are true. Truth wins out every time!

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#573521 Dec 15, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism doesn't have moral standards. It isn't an ethical system
<quoted text>
If that's how reality is, then that's how it is. If your philosophy teaches you to call reality bankrupt, I'd say that you need a new philosophy.
Well if you fo to a funeral of a murder victim, i would suggest you keep your mouth shut.

“What game?”

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#573522 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> That is right. if the information is true or accurate then the source does not matter. Keep that in mind and use it. If you have teachers and they question your sources then you know what to say to them. They cannot refute the truth of your claim by discrediting the source. Truth claims cannot be refuted if they are true. Truth wins out every time!
Even you know that's not true.

The source must be vetted.

“What game?”

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#573523 Dec 15, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Well if you fo to a funeral of a murder victim, i would suggest you keep your mouth shut.
I suggest you keep your mouth shut too.

It's not about you is it? If it's your funeral, speak up.

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