Since: Sep 11

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#573257 Dec 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
It's interesting that the people that talk about atheists fleeing accountability so much don't hold themselves or their god accountable ever. They think that they can forgive themselves of anything on demand by muttering at the ceiling fan, and they excuse the god of any and all failures, generally blaming man for those.
Check out this disgusting patch: "Christians aren't perfect ... just forgiven" http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yno00H2xcXw/TWaS3LS...
Like hell they are. They're not forgiven just because they claim it on the cheap. Just like the rest of us, they're not forgiven until the person that they transgressed against forgives them.
That patch is a good representation of the attitude a lot of christians have. The concepts of salvation through grace and the transference of sins via the brutal torture of their deity seem to me to be more or less a moral cop out, not to mention that they're absurd.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573258 Dec 14, 2012
Antonio wrote:
Prove their isn't a God
Why? Who would benefit? Neither skeptics, who have already rejected religion without it, nor faith based thinkers, who are immune to reason as Superman is to bullets, and who thus wouldn't care either.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#573259 Dec 14, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. curtsy. How did you acquire such brilliance? After all, without God there are no morals. Would you like to become my slave ??..
Maybe. WWJD?

Since: May 11

Nottingham, UK

#573260 Dec 14, 2012
well, as I live and breathe...

Semper Fi

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573262 Dec 14, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
No need to. And, regarding your name, there are lots of things Christians do which are good for the world. It's just that they don't trumpet those good deeds out.
That's too bad,then, because we're evidence based. Plus, your church has a track record of lying whenever it is expedient, so, it's bare claims don't mean much.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
Like the Bible says - when doing good works, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing (Matthew 6: 3 and 4).
I suspect that if your right hand fell off, the world wouldn't be able to discern the difference.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573263 Dec 14, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
What has atheism ever done for the world??
Here's what I got :

[1] Hope for man and the world. When I was a Christian, I thought we were all goners. It was always the end times, and we were all praying for Jesus to come again and destroy the earth. But now, I know that it is possible that man can go on until he evolves into something better, and then again.

[2] Freedom from fear of damnation. Freedom from fear of hell. Freedom from fear of Satan. Freedom from fear of demons and devils. Freedom from fear of my own thoughts.

[3] Freedom from the infantilizing nanny god, a very prudish, judgmental, authoritarian, smiting, and panty-sniffing god.

[4] When a cute little doe-eyed girl dies of leukemia sometime later today (and one will somewhere), you'll have the comfort of knowing that it was just rotten luck, and not something caused by or allowed to happen by any ghost.

[5] Respect for life, earth and the universe. Christianity teaches that animals are soulless meat bags to be exploited as man sees fit. Then it teaches that the whole material world including earth is made of a base substance - matter - which is only transitory. Christianity demeans the material world enough to make the word "worldly" an insult.

[6] Freedom from an inferior intellectual system that despises science and erudition, and robs the victim of the sense of the sense of mystery, grandeur, awe and connection that a scientific education entails. "We are stardust. We are golden. We are billion year old carbon."

[7] Freedom from an inferior ethic that defines love in terms of torture and crucifixion, and a pardon from eternal torment by an infinitely evil devil. The moral structure is deformed: Faith, obedience, worship and piety are not virtues. Integrity, autonomy, responsibility, courage and compassion are.

[8] Respect for mankind. Christianity teaches that man is unworthy, inherently flawed, retched, unworthy, and lucky as hell to be tolerated by the god. Christianity demeans man enough to make the phrase "the flesh" an insult. You can cast that gloom away.

[9] Relief from thousands of hours pointlessly wasted in churches, praying, and reading the bible. I also got to keep the 10% of my income that I was giving to the priests and their children instead of my own, which I calculated was about five to eight years income - approximately the amount I retired with.

That's just what it did for me as an individual.

[10] Secularism criminalized much of Christianity and turned its brutal and sadistic theocracies with their witch burnings and Inquisitions into gentle democracies.

[11] It also turned superstitious enterprises like astrology and alchemy into sciences like astronomy and chemistry.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
And, even if it DID do good works, Christianity did them first. It's only doing what the Christians have been doing for centuries.
That wouldn't matter even were it true.

"There’s no good thing that a church or religion does that cannot be achieved by a purely secular means. And there is no positive benefit of churches and religions that necessarily demonstrates the truth of their supernatural claims.”– Matt Dillahunty.

Besides, as I said, I don't believe that much of the contributions to churches that aren't spent on new building and running churches and missions get past the priests' pockets.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573268 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
mr - we won't be able to see eye-to-eye until you can remove the flaming-biased log out of your eye.
You call opinions against your biased because you don't like them, not because they aren't justified. My negative opinions of your church are evidence based, and in my opinion, represent a fair assessment of the burden that that church imposes on American society, as I have argued at length.

Can you demonstrate otherwise - that those conclusions aren't just?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#573270 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!
There's some ironclad logic for ya.
Sheesh.

Since: May 11

Nottingham, UK

#573271 Dec 14, 2012
Laconic Assassins wrote:
<quoted text>Ha, AL Garcia said that you were a liar and that you lied about him. "Simple fido"
Oh dear, I am so wounded.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#573272 Dec 14, 2012
The Last True Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
26 people shot to death at a Connecticut school, including 18 children--kindergarten and first-graders.
There's your proof.
It is horrible, and hopefully no one comes back on here and says that an atheist did it, because that is what atheists do. At least not until we have some info if they release any, about the shooter and his possible motives. I don't know Conn's gun laws, and I know that guns are available anyway to anyone who wants to kill someone, but somehow I can't get away from the fact that the lax gun laws in the USA seems to have something to do with some of these killings, especially in the case, as in Columbine, when kids get a lot of guns.

I have been around guns for much of my life, and I am not for having no guns at all, but only for the purpose for which I had them and that was for hunting, target shooting and possibly killing some animals that might be attacking our livestock. I never actually had that happen. We also used them at times, for putting down sick livestock, or even sick pets.

I highly doubt that most people who had guns in their homes would even think to use them in the case of being invaded by a killer or a thief. The guns were not there for purposes of using on other humans, and that would not be something that would come to a person's mind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573273 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i see, so you don't like the Gospel because you're not virtuous. Christ came to fix all that if you'll only believe!
Nope. I don't have much respect for its advice or values.

Faith, obedience, self-abnegation, chastity, worship and piety, are not virtues. And there is no such thing as sin.

The virtues include integrity, compassion, autonomy, authenticity, patience, responsibility, courage, and the like.

On a societal scale, the virtues would include such things as political freedom, democracy, egalitarianism, justice, and opportunity.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573274 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
why are pagans always so barbaric and why do you refuse God's ways???
I'm a little skittish about owning slaves, stoning people to death, or taking advice from a source that sanctioned either.

I prefer the barbaric paganism that criminalized all of that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573276 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
it ALWAYS works when sinners cooperate.
There is no such thing as sin or sinners.
waaasssuuup wrote:
wanna try?:)
Nope, not again. Been there, done that. Your god failed to reveal himself then, and failed to keep his promises. I got no peace that passeth all understanding, no fruits of the spirit, and no power to move even pebbles - let alone mountains - despite much more than a mustard seed of faith.

Once I realized that I was being lied to and that the promises of the church and its god were worthless, I realized that there wasn't going to be a heaven either, and that there was no hell.

That was thirty-five years ago, and I've had a good life because of that choice to confirm the validity of my decision. Your church really has nothing to offer me.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#573277 Dec 14, 2012
MisterCharrington wrote:
well, as I live and breathe...
Semper Fi
Mister C!

Long time, no C!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573278 Dec 14, 2012
timn17 wrote:
But they aren't *real* christians.
I know what you mean.

Then by their own definition, there are no "*real* Christians." To paraphrase Nietzsche, the last True Christian™ died on the cross.
peter

Melbourne, Australia

#573279 Dec 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You say that as if you think that regularly criticizing Christianity on Topix is a human rights violation.
<quoted text>
Yes, I can criticize any idea that I find objectionable.
In this case, what I am doing is arguing against an ideology and the church that administers it. The only group that I am opposing here are the church leaders, the ones that tell you what to think, not their flocks. I see them as victims of their church - you too.
You have been taught to see people like me as the enemy. But actually, I am your friend. Your teacher was your enemy. It's too late for you, but we might be able to help your grandchildren - or their children.
Why arent you criticising islam, no it always christianity, why because christians are civilized people and allow your free speech, while islamists will threaten to bash and kill you, so are you a muslim or just afraid of muslims?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#573281 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
when one thinks that they're wiser than God, it's the epitome of foolishness. it would almost be funny if the stakes weren't so grave
You mean kind of like YOU'RE doing?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573282 Dec 14, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
when one thinks that they're wiser than God, it's the epitome of foolishness. it would almost be funny if the stakes weren't so grave
Only if the god exists. Otherwise, giving your time, your money, your attention, your children, and your only shot at an authentic life to a lying church is the foolish choice.

How can we tell the difference besides relying on YOUR gut feeling over my skepticism?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#573283 Dec 14, 2012
The Last True Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>

26 people shot to death at a Connecticut school, including 18 children--kindergarten and first-graders.
There's your proof.
That's the law of cause and effect in operation at the human level.

Since: May 11

Nottingham, UK

#573284 Dec 14, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Mister C!
Long time, no C!
life interrupting my internet!!!

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