Prove there's a god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573174 Dec 14, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
You say you believe in human rights and all that and yet you butcher Christianity on a regular basis here.
You say that as if you think that regularly criticizing Christianity on Topix is a human rights violation.
lightbeamrider wrote:
If you can do it to that group you can do it to any other group who you find offensive for whatever reason.
Yes, I can criticize any idea that I find objectionable.

In this case, what I am doing is arguing against an ideology and the church that administers it. The only group that I am opposing here are the church leaders, the ones that tell you what to think, not their flocks. I see them as victims of their church - you too.

You have been taught to see people like me as the enemy. But actually, I am your friend. Your teacher was your enemy. It's too late for you, but we might be able to help your grandchildren - or their children.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#573175 Dec 14, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> LOL. Seems you like to dish it out but don't like it much when it is handed back to you! I addressed slavery. You ignored. Did not respond to my points. You have an agenda. That is all i pointed out.
Your addressing of slavery was "God is so powerless, He has to embrace slavery because lots of societies did at that time."

So...your whole point was that God reflects the societies that wrote about Him.

That's not a surprise for us atheists. We know that your deity, that all deities, are the product of human imagination. Of course people from a culture that embraces slavery are going to write about a deity who embraces slavery.

That's a no-brainer.

The real surprise is that you are incapable of understanding that.

But the Bible is big, right? You can pick and choose what you take from it. That's how Abrahamic religions can survive - you can ignore whole parts of their Holy Books without bothering the believers one bit. In fact, you have to. If you don't, if you turned the critical reflexive (not reflective) lens on yourself, as you should, you'd problematize your religion and you'd grow spiritually as a result.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#573176 Dec 14, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. why did you change focus from slavery to homosexuality and eternal salvation? Should we request an impartial moderator ??..
Synopsis
1. God ordained and blessed slavery in Genesis 9:25-26 (The Curse of Ham).
2. Any form of slavery is immoral.
3. Logically, the Abrahamic God is immoral.
.. don't lecture me on morals when you protect, defend and justify the immoral practice of slavery condoned by your God ..
Well said!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#573177 Dec 14, 2012
Tess wrote:
Apocalypse666 wrote:..."Prove there's a god."
Okay...Do you exist or not?
If yes, there is a God who created you.
If not, no need to consider the subject.
Wow!

There's some ironclad logic for ya.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#573178 Dec 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you can prove two types of negatives. I can prove that there is no elephant in my garage, and that there are no married bachelors in Massechusetts without even getting up.
The Christian god is analytically impossible inexactly the same way a married bachelor is, because it is also described in mutually conflicting ways.
For example, it is said to be perfect, but it has made many mistakes, such as rebellious angels and sinful man. An imperfect perfect god is as impossible as a married bachelor.
There a quite a few such mutually exclusive pairs of qualities attributed to this god that allows us to say with certainty that it doesn't exist. Here are some:
[1] An omniscient being that grants free will
[2] An omnipotent being incapable of being in the presence of sin
[3] A perfect being needing worship
[4] A perfect being that changes its mind
[5] A perfect being that makes mistakes or contradicts itself
[6] A perfect being that creates or alters anything
[7] A non-spacial being being omnipresent
[8] An all-loving, omnipotent being that allows suffering.
[9] A perfectly just being that punishes innocents like offspring.
[10] A merciful being that damns without hope of forgiveness from hell.
[11] Anything existing, persisting, thinking or acting outside of time. Those words all imply an interval of time.
As with the married bachelor, I don't even have to get out of my chair to rule that out. There may be gods out there, but no imperfect perfect ones.
Hmm... Your logic is pretty sound, and I can't argue with it!

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#573179 Dec 14, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Sometimes i can't help myself. You say you believe in human rights and all that and yet you butcher Christianity on a regular basis here. If you can do it to that group you can do it to any other group who you find offensive for whatever reason. That makes you phoney as a three dollar bill and that is why i do not hold your posts in high regard.
Disagreeing, or even mocking a person's belief system is not a human rights violation in any way. Slaughtering people for what they believe, forcing them into concentration camps, crusading against them, and making women wear burkhas or not speak in public is.

If you believe that free thinking, the right to disagree, or even ridicule someone's belief system is a human rights violation, you should probably move to a country that promotes that sort of activity.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#573180 Dec 14, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Duh ,, the I love Lucy cult?
Sign me up!

Since: Oct 07

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#573181 Dec 14, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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Atheists are horrible people. I have firsthand personal knowledge of that.
Explain... I have some really great friends who are atheists, and stand up people in the community. Same goes for christians as well. It's not as much the belief system as how the person uses it to live their life.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#573182 Dec 14, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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I can see now why you are going to Hell to burn forever and ever. Trust me, I do look for ways to see your way out of that demise, but you just keep on proving why you deserve the punishment you'll receive. I give up now on justifying an exit plan for you.
Why would anyone trust you? You tell them that you can see why they are going to a place that's never been physically shown to exist, for an eternity that a consciousness has never been shown to survive for. So tell me, what makes you so certain that anyone can trust you on these matters?

Since: Oct 07

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#573183 Dec 14, 2012
kelliann wrote:
I was raised in church-all my life--daddy was a deacon in church-momma was a sunday school teacher--I strayed so bad--it aint funny--i became a stripper---I sinned, I drank the beer, I smoked the pot, I been married and divorced---I am a sinner!!!! But--I CAN TELL YOU GOD---JESUS IS REAL!!! MY child's car brokedown...we barely made it to New Middletown Baptist Church, I was at my wits end...The preacher told me he used to be an addict a drinker---he didn't judge me....I can NOT TELL U if JESUS is real--but I can tell u this--I was about to call it and end..I was am still at my wits end...but that preacher there....he makes me want to go to church Sunday, he is sooo real....I am still sinning....but I DO BELIEVE NOW THERE IS A HIGHER POWER
You can turn your life around without God, too. Remember, that first it's YOUR will that you want to improve. I have to say that God and church are a great way to improve your life though, because if you find the right place, you'll have a lot of people that will be supporting you. Just make sure that you don't lose yourself in the process.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#573184 Dec 14, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!
There's some ironclad logic for ya.
I'd consider it more "marijuana clad" than "iron clad".
endtime

AOL

#573185 Dec 14, 2012
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“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#573186 Dec 14, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I don't deny that. I would like the Christian church to become as impotent and silent as the Druids.
Christians have had that agenda regarding their critics for centuries, and had once been quite successful at stifling criticism. Until secularists made them illegal, their preferred methods had been burning people - especially women - alive, stretching and twisting them on the rack, impaling them in the iron maiden, and lacerating their internal organs and soft tissues with the pear to name a few.
Thereafter, you simply marginalized and dehumanized us, declaring us unfit to serve as teachers, jurors and witnesses in court, elected officials, coaches, and adoptive parents. But that too is disappearing.
Today, you have to settle for keying our cars, harassing our children, boycotting our businesses, libeling and slandering us behind our backs, and cruelly executing our pets.
You have your nerve complaining that we want to silence you. I'll tell you what - we promise to use only argument, rebuke and ridicule, and never to burn you to death. Fair enough?
Can we at least call them dumb phuques once in a while.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#573187 Dec 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Thank you oh master of the gym!
Going in a few minutes in fact.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#573188 Dec 14, 2012
THE 10 DOGMAS HOLDING SCIENCE BACK:

Maverick biologist' Rupert Sheldrake thinks there is a big problem in science, caused by those who employ it as a belief system, rather than using it as a method of inquiry. He thinks science is being held back by the former, and in his soon-to-be-released book Science Set Free (already available in the UK as The Science Delusion) he offers the "ten dogmas of science" that he thinks need to be treated with more suspicion than they currently are:

1) That nature is mechanical.

2) That matter is unconscious.

3) The laws of nature are fixed.

4) The totally amount of matter and energy are always the same.

5) That nature is purposeless.

6) Biological inheritance is material.

7) That memories are stored as material traces.

8) The mind is in the brain.

9) Telepathy and other psychic phenomena are illusory.

10) Mechanistic medicine is the only kind that really works.

COMMENTS:

i will be analyzing each of the above dogmas in detail later.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573189 Dec 14, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
You forgot to add IAN's and boooots' to your list of condescending, know-it-all prycks.
condescend
1a : to descend to a less formal or dignified level
b : to waive the privileges of rank

[I don't see that happening with you and me.]

condescend
2 : to assume an air of superiority

[Sorry if that showed, though I confess that I don't really try very hard to conceal contempt when I feel it.]
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#573190 Dec 14, 2012
Oops, Dr RUPERT SHELDRAKE is a BIOCHEMIST.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#573191 Dec 14, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How do you figure that a teacher hanging a cross as a religious decoration is in any way establsihing a religion?
The term "establishment of religion" if used in a historical or political sense simply means a State Directed or Government run religion. Today an established religious government can be found in most Muslim countries, in England and in some Asian countries.
The cool thing about America is that we allow any religion and bar none. That is the state, according to the constitution, is not to make any one religion the "official" religion and is not to prohibit any religion.
And by doing so, America has not and will not establish a national religion.
"That is the state, according to the constitution, is not to make any one religion the "official" religion and is not to prohibit any religion"

Exactly, the state is to stay out of religion, and conversely religion is to stay out of governmental affairs. Funny you understand the concept until it is rephrased to
"SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE"

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573192 Dec 14, 2012
Just Results wrote:
I can see now why you are going to Hell to burn forever and ever. Trust me, I do look for ways to see your way out of that demise
Do you think that you can fool an omnipotent god with that if you can't fool me? Why would I trust you, or believe that? You've made yourself quite clear:

"Hell was created for their god Satan and for them to suffer in, and I'm thankful that they will suffer there endlessly for their heinous hatred and ruthless bitter deception."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Just Results wrote:
I give up now on justifying an exit plan for you.
Go ahead and take a break. You've earned it. You've already done your part. Your posts thus far have been more than enough help. As you see, I have a few bookmarked along with a few posts from your fellow brothers in the Lord (hi, Flagler Beach!).

I just checked my files and found that I have reposted that beautiful piece of poetry above four times already,and it's just over three weeks old. I'd be glad to link you to them if you'd like.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#573193 Dec 14, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
The start of Genesis. "In the beginning god created..." you know the rest.
"In the beginning" is a metaphor for "once upon a time."

;)

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