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Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, you were the result of your mother's bleeding 25% of every month.
You should have been flushed in one of your mom's tampons.
you would have liked that cuz then there'd be less of us to bind unclean spirits and cast them into the abyss;)

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<quoted text> Your disdain for slavery does not change the fact slavery was universal in the ancient world. Nor does it address the fact slavery is equally as valid as poicies against slavery since it is humans who determine right and wrong in a world absent God. Your disdain carries no real weight other than your opinion. If we have no souls and there is no accountability since there is no existence post death then people can come to a different conclusion than do you when it comes to slavery. If we can own dogs then we can own people. Anti slavery only makes sense if human rights are derived from an ultimate Authority which holds us accountable for how we treat each other. That we all have unalienable rights which cannot be denied without severe consequences in a court of no appeal. Atheism reduces people to the level of big brained animals. Nothing more since it could be argued insects are more adapted and stronger than humans.
It was not universal in the ancient world. Such belies your misunderstanding of history.

And, even if it was, a perfectly moral being would not condone slavery merely because His Creations, who in your religion are fallen and less than perfect, use slavery.

Seriously, that is the worst argument you could make. That's the "if a human jumps off a cliff, God should too" anti-motherly argument. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to follow other people's examples of immoral behavior?

Further, you are arguing against your own religion here. You are claiming above that morality is human, not absolute. Sure, I can agree with that. As such we contemporary humans, with our vast knowledge of history, our sciences of human thought, emotion, philosophy, suffering and pain, and our laws and concept of human rights, understand what it means to be moral a great deal more than any of the elite cared to bother with in the past.

You've damned yourself in your argument by distancing yourself from your religion, which argues for an absolute morality (while presenting a contradictory front of endorsing slavery) from which humans draw their own, to presenting an argument where human morality is subjective, changing with the times.

That's not a problem from my position. I don't hold that there are any deities. I neither hold that there is a perfect being from which we draw our morality. However, I believe we can know what misery, suffering, happiness and fulfillment are and seek out those qualities through society.

Christianity clearly does not present a path of morality of the greatest good for the greatest number of people. It requires subservience, obedience to a strange set of rules - some sexual, some regarding food that its followers pay more or less adherence to, depending on historical forces.

We need a better moral and ethical position than religion can provide - whatever the religion. You all fail. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever. You're all from the past and you all preach atrocity.

To quote your religion: "Get behind me, Satan!"

Your time is past.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I agree. And I resent that attitude from the Christians about my species. I resent them spreading such filth about us. To them, we are fatally flawed and of no good whatsoever. According to the Christians, man has only ever created one thing: sin. We brought that into the universe.
We are told that we were born in debt, worthless, and worthy of suffering without some sort of purification first. Without a god, our lives are immoral, meaningless and without purpose. And on it goes. Our very substance - flesh - isn't so much spoken as spat out. Christian misanthropy is a deep pessimism for mankind.
If it were not other human beings saying these things about us, there would be war. If a second intellectual and verbal species evolved on earth, or colonized earth from elsewhere, and they spoke about humanity like that, they would be as despised. So why not rebuke the sickening church and religion that says those very same things for the same reason?
Every human being should reject and resent that. I don't expect the Christians to do so, but shouldn't the rest of us? Shouldn't we denounce such speech the way we would similar comments about the worth of women, gays, seniors, or blacks?
I think it's becoming increasingly in our power to define societal standards regarding what is acceptable to say about mankind and what is acceptable to say about atheists. I don't care for the choices that the Christians have made in either of these areas.
It's past time we put such outdated concepts behind us. Time to say good bye to archaic, immoral, uneducated, ignorant philosophies.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
You can skew the words in Genesis all you want so long as it makes the Bible look wrong, huh?
Don't need to. They speak for themselves. And they make you look like the one who is skewing words. The words "day," "morning." and "evening" all appear in the same sentence, and you insist that that can mean any amount of time at all.

Your contrived and severely contorted answers make you look ridiculous. Let's see it again: Your god rested on the seventh of seven days and commanded you to do the same. How long are you to rest?

[a] A day
[b] A thousand years; they're the same to the Lord
[c] An era or epoch

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
Darwin's theory is unrelated to the pathway of abiogenesis.
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Moron.
It's completely realated. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related.
Evolution doesn't speak to abiogenesis. Yes, all life is related, ultimately to one population of replicators, then single celled organisms. You can see that in the shared genetics the above categories have - some of the genes, some of the metabolism overlap. None of the mutations, though.

Even still, the theory of evolution doesn't explain how life arose. The theory of abiogenesis doesn't explain, or purport to explain, how genes in gene pools change over time.

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
The only difference between belief in Santa and Jesus is that most adults acknowledge that the former is a lie told only to children.
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Yup. And ost adults know the latter is the truth.
That's true. Santa is a lie told only to children.

The resurrection is a lie told to anyone who will listen. I pity the believers.
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That's called special pleading. Everything else is subject to laws that you need to have apply to justify your god's, including the universe itself, except your god, who you also need to have excused from these laws. If those rules are valid, then let it be the singularity or the multiverse that needs no cause...
Is it special pleading?

Is man subject to the algorithms used in programming; or does he use them for the sake of convenience?

Cause and effects is only a means used by God to "interphase" or interact with the natural world.

God himself is independent of the physical world therefore He is not subject to the laws of the physical world (cause and effects).

Thats not special pleading; its common observation and critical thinking.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
WTF?
Where'd you come up with the "might makes right" BS based off of my response?
I AM proud to be American.
Don't be so put out. I didn't question your patriotism.

The first comment you responded to reminded you that Europeans wiped out the native Americans. Your comment said you didn't care. That's a might makes right comment, an "ends justifies the means" comment. Your "I don't care" means "I don't want to know the repercussions of history, the lessons we need to learn, why our world is as it is.

I'm sorry you fail to realize this.

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karl44 wrote:
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religion promotes tribalism
we can do better, and we shall.
here's how it's gonna go, karl:

the peeps who don't like God will eventually band together under a smooth talking world renoun politician. he will be everything to everyone in the beginning of his prominence and deceive even the foolish christians. when he gets enough power & no longer needs the people groups he hates (Jews and Christians specifically), he will turn on them, incarcerating and killing them. however, the whole world will be going through an upheavil like never before in every way immaginable. God will use this time to bring the world to a clear decision (aka armegeddon); choose God or the devil/antichrist. this will only last a few years until God brings it to a screeching hault through judgement.

i'm not at all confused about this, karl. now, you don't hafta be either....

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Spit on me? lol
If I was an atheist, I'd spit on your butthole just before poking it.
No, that's what you'd do if you were a small penised heterosexual who couldn't get off from a vagina.

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karl44 wrote:
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you are far too kind
evolution gives us empathy and ethics, religion removes them and replaces them with xenophobia, paranoia, and christian morals.
RR is merely a (buck based) troll, but he does well represent the vile, ugly, failed morality that is christianity.
Hey, thanks.

I see religion as a product of evolution. It cannot be otherwise.

RR's not quite like Buck. Buck had a charming sense of humor, RR has a different, drunken sense of humor. RR seems to understand evolution better than Buck. Buck seems to understand some parts of philosophy and religion better than RR.

In my opinion.

How're you doing, Karl?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wrong?
Like what?
A few things... One of them that I can think of right now is that the bible states that a rabbit chews it's cud.
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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LOL. "Erections are actually Satan's boner demons possessing a man's penis."
I think we need to revisit the meaning of this scripture in the light of that revelation:
"Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!" -
Matthew 16:23
You, too, Dick!
This is why I have no feelings of shame or remorse in the delight of knowing that human filth like you will burn eternally in a lake of fire.

Another reason is because of that Oregon atheist that went on a shooting rampage , exercising the teachings of the hate cult of atheism.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'll also bet that you don't know that in the context of Genesis, ereb & boqer translate into a "vision" that covers many years, not a literal day...
I doubt it.
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Don't you Christians tell us that your god wants to be known and loved very much? If so, it was extremely shrewd of such a god to go into hiding, give man the faculty of reason and doubt, fail to answer prayer whenever it is studied scientifically, write a bad bible, and stock the world with stratified fossils and nested hierarchies of molecular and anatomical structures.
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Your thinking is inscrutable to me. This reasoning is so tortured as to be unintelligible. Oppression is hiding from me, and then sending me to hell for being fooled.
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A second ago, I was told that being shown your god would be oppressive. Apparently, that was expedient then.
Now, you depict the god as being as obvious as water to a horse dragged to a watering hole so that you can blame me for not accepting the claim that it exists. That's expedient now.
Typical for apologetics.
"When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense”- Edward Abbey
The Chief Servant of God (Jesu) said "This is the work of God; that you believe on Him and Whom He has Sent".

Your Christians may have told you that their "god wants to be known and loved very much"; did I tell you that?

On the note of God "hiding": for God (Omnipotence) to be revealed to a man would be like connecting the man to a 200000000000000 volt circuit and then just flipping the switch on... not very healthy.

God does not hide as such; he is in a state that is compatible with our material existence in His Presence.

I say that "one can lead a horse to water etc" because men have to capacity to evaluate and calculate things that are far removed from a range that his physical senses can detect.

We have the mental capacity to appreciate the reality of God; but if you fail to use yours to appreciate Him, what should we/He do, burn you at the stake?

The best way to dispose of an unresponsive element is to let its unresponsiveness exclude it from the progressive influences. Go on not giving a f*&k; you'll get rid of yourself for us that way.

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
It is simple. Every creation must have a creator. Have you seen anything that created automatically or no one or nothing behind that creation? I think No.. So we all are creation from a creator.

Can you create anything? No, you can only change appearance in a simple environment.

Where you come from? you will say that from your Fa and Ma than go subsequently previous generation. What will come? where come from first human?
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You seem frustrated. You seem committed to calling the lives of those who won't validate your choices meaningless.
As I've said, your philosophy is not appealing at all. It's not healthy. It's dead on a cross.
If taht is the case, then That which died o nthe cross has resurrected itself in your sciences:

"Some people think that the sciences can stand apart from philosophy, that the scientist should actually avoid philosophising, the latter often being understood as groundless and generally vague theorising. If the term philosophy is given such a poor interpretation, then of course anyone would agree with the warning "Physics, beware of metaphysics!" But no such warning applies to philosophy in the higher sense of the term. THE SPECIFIC SCIENCES CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BREAK THEIR CONNECTIONS WITH TRUE PHILOSOPHY." [http://www.marxists.org/refer ence/archive/spirkin/works/dia lectical-materialism/ch01-s04. html]

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Don't need to. They speak for themselves. And they make you look like the one who is skewing words. The words "day," "morning." and "evening" all appear in the same sentence, and you insist that that can mean any amount of time at all.
Your contrived and severely contorted answers make you look ridiculous. Let's see it again: Your god rested on the seventh of seven days and commanded you to do the same. How long are you to rest?
[a] A day
[b] A thousand years; they're the same to the Lord
[c] An era or epoch
1. A day
2. A thousand years.

Don't misinterpret, the Bible says:

A day is like a thousand years
A thousand years is like a day

God "resting" on the 7th day isn't literal, either. It's an example for us to rest on the 7th day & use that day to honor God.

Get a grip, duder.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absolute or relative morality, which is it?
Moral essence allows one to distinguish between right and wrong. My conduct or character, will produce the absolute of morality, be it good or bad.
Absolute morality can be determined by what I do, even if it is not what I want to do.
Absolute morality tells me to do a thing just because ... Speaking of good morals, no matter what the situation, "absolute" will cause me to take the "relative" facts of morality and respond without reservation.
"I find a law, that, when I would do good, evil is always present with me." Romans 7:21, Apostle Paul.
Desiring to do good is relative. Performing the good or right is absolute.
Morality - Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.- Behaviour as it is affected by the observation of these principles.

There is no absolute or relative nor is any religion involved, morality is predominantly a human trait (although not exclusively) and it has certainly been around for long before christianity. Without it civilisation would not have flourished.

However I really did think you would come up with some religious titbit, so funny that you quote Saulus who assisted in the capture of Judas the Galilean, better known to you as Jesus. Would you consider assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist as moral? Or would you consider the capture of your lord and saviour as moral?

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