God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572558 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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i disagree.
See, salvation must be integral - no part of existence (material, emotional, vital or mental) must be left out.
Every aspect of existence should be purified and perfected by infusing the lower reaches of existence with the superior powers of the higher ranges of consciousness-energy so that the whole system vibrates as a singularity. Perfection is the aim. Once this is achieved, then, there is no coming and no going. One simply IS!
My idea of Salvation involves the influence of God in removing what is valid from what is unnecessary; as in the restoration of the true self to its true place, away from the confines of this material prison.

Your idea of Salvation, especially the one you suggest that is independent of God (if you said so ) is fundamentally Lucifarian in nature.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572559 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Morality - Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.- Behaviour as it is affected by the observation of these principles.
There is no absolute or relative nor is any religion involved, morality is predominantly a human trait (although not exclusively) and it has certainly been around for long before christianity. Without it civilisation would not have flourished.
However I really did think you would come up with some religious titbit, so funny that you quote Saulus who assisted in the capture of Judas the Galilean, better known to you as Jesus. Would you consider assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist as moral? Or would you consider the capture of your lord and saviour as moral?
Did you ask a question or make a statement? I'll choose the former.

Yes, assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist is a moral thing because the murdering terrorist is not doing moral deeds.

No, the capture, trial & execution of Jesus was not the moral thing to do. The Romans saw Jesus as a great threat to them. The 300 years following Jesus' execution & subsequent following of people to Jesus' name ruined the Roman Empire.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572560 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Are you saying all priests are atheists?
Since when did non belief in a deity become a religion? Come on I am eager to hear you explanation for your stupid comment
Atheism became a belief system as soon as the first atheist said "I believe there is no God."

The dichotomy that Atheists try to create between science and religion is false. The conflict is between interpretations of science coming from different religious worldviews.

Atheism shouldn’t be taught or enforced in settings where other religions are banned and shouldn’t be favored by laws which imply a religiously neutral government.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572561 Dec 12, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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I'm not wrong.
Every belief you have concerning your deity is based upon the bible.
Without the bible you would not have your deity belief.
The bible is a book of myth.
Silly, scar.

How did the early Christians have a belief when they had no bible?

Why did the early Christians risk Roman capture, torture & execution so they could follow Jesus' teachings?

How did the Hebrews worship & know God, they had no bible.

You're wrong. Without the bible, God is still present.
BadBreathBruce

Auckland, New Zealand

#572562 Dec 12, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Prove it.
I don't need to, RT. Matthew 12:39, 16:4, and John 20:29. In your Bible.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572563 Dec 12, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Which, as you were told, has bugger-all to do with abiogenesis.
Bugger-all? Is that English English?

You people are waiting with baited breath that someone can prove abiogenesis. Because you'll then believe that's how life began on earth, then evolved, thereby "proving" your belief.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572564 Dec 12, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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do you really think you can sell that hype simply by extracting snippets of scriptures out of context? how deceitful you are.
Provide the context.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572565 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:<quoted text>

(smiles)

scambuster wrote:<quoted text>

(farts)

RiversideRedneck<quoted text>

(fans)
JOEL wrote:
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Wink, wink.
(smiles)
If you guys keep doing this, Mr. Arkansas is gonna show up.

Mr. Arkansas:<action text>

(Mops brow)(mewls)(sweats)(shakes head)(*explodes*)

Since: Jul 10

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#572566 Dec 12, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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as i suggested to boots, you might want to watch the 2 part program on ABC Dec 28th at 9PM ET
you MIGHT learn some things you didn't know about.
He has already carbon dated things there to approx 5,000 BC which puts it at the time frame of Noah's flood.
He said the earth was covered in ice at one time.
Yes, he has, but his stated purpose to to try to see if a flood there might have led to people passing down tales of a Black Sea flood, which someone later devised the story of Noah's Ark, using that real flood as the idea which he/she developed the Flood myth from. He has not stated he is trying to prove that Noah's Flood did occur.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572567 Dec 12, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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My idea of Salvation involves the influence of God in removing what is valid from what is unnecessary; as in the restoration of the true self to its true place, away from the confines of this material prison.

Your idea of Salvation, especially the one you suggest that is independent of God (if you said so ) is fundamentally Lucifarian in nature.
Your idea of salvation is fictitious.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572568 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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My goodness you really are incredibly think today. Why do you think the Puritans banned christmas in 1659? Reason, because of it’s pagan origins
You could try googling “pagan origins of Christmas” but hey, I’ll do it for you, here are about 4.5 million websites on the origins
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&safe=off&a...
Note that many of those websites are religious sites and church sites
There ya go consider it proved HA HA HA HA!!!
Christmas (Old English: meaning "Christ's Mass") is an annual commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ and a widely observed holiday, celebrated generally on December 25 by billions of people around the world.

It IS the celebration of Jesus Christ's birth.

It WAS various holidays.

Christianity has molded the world.

I get the last HA HA HA !!!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572569 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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Your idea of salvation is fictitious.
Your idea that salvation is fictitious is your opinion.

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#572570 Dec 12, 2012
WalterJ wrote:
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It is simple. Every creation must have a creator. Have you seen anything that created automatically or no one or nothing behind that creation? I think No.. So we all are creation from a creator.
Can you create anything? No, you can only change appearance in a simple environment.
Where you come from? you will say that from your Fa and Ma than go subsequently previous generation. What will come? where come from first human?
Issue with the watchmaker argument... How do you know that we are a "creation". Religion tells you so. How do you separate a God from a creation? From whence did the God come from?

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#572571 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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Your idea of salvation is fictitious.
I salivate over salvation.

Since: Oct 07

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#572572 Dec 12, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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the evidence of God can be seen.
Creation, did not create itself.
Then what did create creation? And what created that which created creation? Who says it's "creation"? Religion?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572573 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Silly, scar.
How did the early Christians have a belief when they had no bible?
Why did the early Christians risk Roman capture, torture & execution so they could follow Jesus' teachings?
How did the Hebrews worship & know God, they had no bible.
You're wrong. Without the bible, God is still present.
Thanks, Ar Ar.

Now we're getting somewhere.

They borrowed and took from a variety of earlier and preexisting cultural/societal myths and traditions.

The bible is a collection of those earlier culturally assimilated myths and traditions from other peoples, not Hebrew.

The deity,'Yahweh", for instance, had origins in Canaanite deity beliefs and practices.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572574 Dec 12, 2012
DEFINITION OF AN ATHEIST:

An atheist is one who sees himself and the universe as clumps of insentient matter with blind forces and random processes and the game of chance somehow serving as guiding principles that he thinks make up for his total lack of knowledge about the nature of reality as seen in his ignorance regarding the question of origins concerning universe and being and purpose of existence.

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#572575 Dec 12, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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Its not that Jesus didn't really exist, but rather that he doesn't mean anything to you. Thats what I am seeing here.
So what now: that which doesnt mean anything to you does not exist?
You are a liar, and the generation of the Chief Liar and the Satan (i.e. an obstacle).
Even your stance as an atheist stinks of Lucifarianism; do you have omniscience so that you can assert that a thing cannot be proven or does not exist?
You piece if shit.
Lucifer is a creation of the minds of abrahamic religions and doesn't mean anything to those who don't follow those religions. Why would an atheist or agnostic care what you have to say about lucifer as much as you care about someone's opinion of Hades?

Since: Oct 07

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#572576 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
DEFINITION OF AN ATHEIST:
An atheist is one who sees himself and the universe as clumps of insentient matter with blind forces and random processes and the game of chance somehow serving as guiding principles that he thinks make up for his total lack of knowledge about the nature of reality as seen in his ignorance regarding the question of origins concerning universe and being and purpose of existence.
Did you make that up or find it on a religious website?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572577 Dec 12, 2012
DEFINITION OF A BELIEVER:

A believer is one who blindly believes in his extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist G-d or God as narrated by his scripture and who rushes to defend his faith or co-religionists like a rabid dog pouncing on anyone invading his shallow turf and whose idea of worship is mumbo jumbo rituals.

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