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Greens - Tuf

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Why would there be a God in the first place? Why?
Who said there has to be a God?
Why would God need this "real" world if he really was God? Why go through all the trouble for us? What's his payback? Remember life is variable, if your happy than somewhere somebody will be sad.
For every cause their must be an effect, we are a cause, what's our effect?

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scaritual wrote:
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I'm not clicking that.
It's just penguins engaging in mating rituals.

You know they're manogmanous monologomoss...

they don't sleep around.

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Greens - Tuf wrote:
Physical world ? Don't you mean material world, which is a world of illusion.
The two phrases are used more or less interchangeably. Materialism, physicalism and naturalism are roughly synonymous as well:

[1] Materialism - the doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.

[2] Physicalism - the doctrine that the real world consists simply of the physical world.

[3] Naturalism - the doctrine that scientific laws are adequate to account for all phenomena

I prefer to refer to naturalism and the physical world rather than the material world or materialism for a few reasons:

For one, the physical world comprises more than matter/energy. There is also force, form, space and time, which are all in a sense aspects of matter, but not implied by the word materialism.

Also, the word materialism has been derogated by both by the Christians and Marx (dialectical materialism).

Have you seen the Wedge Document leaked from the Discovery Institute announcing its intention to "defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies" and to "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions"?

These Christians also declaimed, "materialist reformers [who] advocated coercive government programs" which it referred to as "a virulent strain of utopianism."

That sounds like they are conflating philosophical naturalism with Marxism. If their purpose was to demean the word, they have succeeded. Where the Christian have shit, I generally steer clear.

Hope that helps.

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Greens - Tuf wrote:
Why would there be a God in the first place?
Tell me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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River Tam wrote:
lesbians. We take a lickin but we keep on tickin.
LOL. You're a hoot. I saw your scissor and cooch posts as well.

I'm sure you'll keep them coming.

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Lucky. I haven't even met one of the fake Elvises.
Not even this guy?

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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The two phrases are used more or less interchangeably. Materialism, physicalism and naturalism are roughly synonymous as well:
[1] Materialism - the doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.
[2] Physicalism - the doctrine that the real world consists simply of the physical world.
[3] Naturalism - the doctrine that scientific laws are adequate to account for all phenomena
I prefer to refer to naturalism and the physical world rather than the material world or materialism for a few reasons:
For one, the physical world comprises more than matter/energy. There is also force, form, space and time, which are all in a sense aspects of matter, but not implied by the word materialism.
Also, the word materialism has been derogated by both by the Christians and Marx (dialectical materialism).
Have you seen the Wedge Document leaked from the Discovery Institute announcing its intention to "defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural, and political legacies" and to "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions"?
These Christians also declaimed, "materialist reformers [who] advocated coercive government programs" which it referred to as "a virulent strain of utopianism."
That sounds like they are conflating philosophical naturalism with Marxism. If their purpose was to demean the word, they have succeeded. Where the Christian have shit, I generally steer clear.
Hope that helps.
Thanking you.

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Greens - Tuf wrote:
Look at that. There's clues everywhere if your good enough.

"She is the apple of my eye" What does that mean? It means extreme love. It means protection .

Adam and Eve eating an apple represents the separation
from One and entering a material world. I world where we are all guaranteed death . It is just a cycle of energy (us) creating worlds of illusion to bring out the emotions in us. Emotions = Energy
Sorry, amigo, but that is nonsense to me.

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LOL. You're a hoot. I saw your scissor and cooch posts as well.
I'm sure you'll keep them coming.
We like River.

In an avuncular sort of way, of course.

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Greens - Tuf wrote:
Thanking you.
You're very welcome.

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<quoted text>We like River.
In an avuncular sort of way, of course.
River Tam

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karl44 wrote:
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well there is one god upon whom we agree

is there other gods you do not believe in?
What is the proof of this one god?

To begin with how is he causally connected with the universe?

How did he create this universe from nothing?

How does he govern the universe in the absence of a causal link between this extra-cosmic deity and the universe?

If this god is spirit then what is spirit in terms of its material and force composition?

Spirit is not mind as someone suggested.

Mind is a grade - the deductive aspect - of the manifested unified field of consciousness-energy.

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OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed! Hiding can stop by anytime! So can you!
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Ah, thank you!

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LOL. You're a hoot. I saw your scissor and cooch posts as well.
I'm sure you'll keep them coming.
Stop feeding my troll and I'll keep entertaining you.

He's my troll. It's why I'm here.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok..... Now you're comparing belief in Jesus to a child believing in Santa.
You're lost.
The only difference between belief in Santa and Jesus is that most adults acknowledge that the former is a lie told only to children.
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karl44 wrote:
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oh I agree

you build a new god, surely you are correct.

no one has ever thought to build a new god before.
So, how is the basal consciousness and energy created from nothing by your extra-cosmic and creationist god and besides what happens to the basal consciousness-energy field at the end of a cosmic cycle? Does it get dissolved into nothing? How?

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River Tam wrote:
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Tell me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Can you see how we as material beings mimic the Universe , the same principals apply to both.
We in this form need to love/attract to survive and expand, the Universe needs to do the same.
The Universe can Love as non destructive energy, but it cannot expand without attraction , due to attraction releasing emotions. It is One and only One, how can it be attracted to it self ? Ego? It needed a material world to extract it's emotions.
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Above 50 proof.
Meaning what?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
Did "God" not know it was immoral 2000 years ago?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I don't know. We'll ask that on the next 3-way call...
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Why ever did He provide instructions on how to handle slaves, where to get them and so on?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Where to get them is irrelevant. How to treat them was the point.
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Hence, the god of the bible is not perfectly moral.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Because you know what "perfectly moral" is?
Your first line was flawed, hence the flaw of your last.
If you don't understand that slavery is immoral, and you're unwilling to see that instructions regarding slavery overtly - not tacitly - condones slavery, you utterly fail to understand morality.

The worst part about your inability to understand morality is that you received this from your religion. Christianity has destroyed your ability to understand what is moral, what is misery, how your fellow human should be treated - how sad!

You need to talk to God to know what He - presumably a perfectly moral being - would not condone slavery?!? Seriously???

I've interviewed a young woman who was stolen from her family, raped and abused till she was broken, turned into a sex slave. She hates men, unreservedly, with all her heart, and fears them. Now, tell me that she would be made whole if only her slavers had access to an instruction manual.

I spit on your morality.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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My ethnicity is American.
You can't say the "native Americans" are native, they too came from somewhere else.....
Again, my ethnicity is American.
My heritage is American.
My ancestors are American.
Whatever happened before that, I don't care.
It's a problem for the religious to acknowledge history. You exemplify that problem above.

Your entire argument here is "might makes right if we kill most of them and that means I don't have to care about the past."

Praise the Lord! Don't think! Don't know! Just praise and praise and praise!

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