Prove there's a god.

[It aint necessarily so]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god
God - A powerful ruler or despot.

Yes. And this is why genocidal cults of personality like Stalinism, Nazism, and Maoism with their harshly judgmental and authoritarian mortal gods are more properly categorized with Christianity and Islam than with gentle philosophies like secular humanism.

God Himself wrote:

You have taken the argument completely out of context.

I didn't do anything with your argument. I used a definition you provided in it to make an unrelated argument of my own.

God Himself wrote:

My justification was for calling myself a God; you are mentioning individuals who do not share my concept of God nor anything else.

People like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao certainly do have much in common with the Christian god.

God Himself wrote:

The fact that they may have seen themselves as gods, in no way implies that their godliness is similar to or related to my sense of godliness.

You're missing the point. Authoritarian religions are dangerous, whether the god is a mythical creature or a psychotic despot.

God Himself wrote:

I find it rather conflicting that you "affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair", when you espouse a concept that implies that all existence is meaningless.

That must be your idea. Life is quite meaningful to me. I drink up every day with enthusiasm.

God Himself wrote:

I see no reason to think that your referring to Humanism is anything but an attempt to escape the futility of the world you imagine in scientific thought.

Once again, the futility must be in your head, because it's not in mine. I see great hope for the future. You see apocalypse, right?

[It aint necessarily so]

God Himself wrote:

<quoted text>
We have been through this before; the reality of God is independent of the value of the bible.

Not if "God" is Jehovah-Jesus. The book rules its central character out.

God Himself wrote:

Would it have been better if man knew God directly instead of having to refer to a book?

Yes, if there is one and it wants to be known. Why not?

God Himself wrote:

So even if God was walking among us in the flesh or whatever form; there would still be ass-holes like you who find something to be sceptical about and doubt.

Not so. You misjudge me, my natural curiosity, and my love of knowledge. If a race of gods appeared today, I'd be learning as much as I could about them before morning.

[Spaceship earth]

Religious and Atheist in prisons.

In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%.

During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.

Steiner and Swancara surveyed Canadian prisons and found 1,294 Catholics, 435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, and 1 Unitarian.

W. T. Root, professor of
psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion,
due to thought, strengthens character," adding
that Unitarians, Agnostics. Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so.

Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked 22,000 prison inmates
and found only 4 college graduates. In "Who's Who"
91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of
superstition and ignorance."

[karl44]

United in faith wrote:

<quoted text>
because there have been many cases where children were ask to do reports on something and a child brought God into it and the teacher dismissed that report, or told the child they couldn't paint a picture of Jesus and then the childs parents ended up having to sue the school for restricting the childs free speech.
happens alot more than you know boots.

the reason many people enter the educational field is their empathy for children.

[River Tam]

waaasssuuup wrote:

<quoted text>
it's ridiculous to think that the Bible is fiction, hon, just look at the nation of Israel and all the believers in Christ to see that it's not!
if you have an ax to grind, how about we talk about the (lesbian) ax?:)

We don't use an axe but scissors aren't out of the question.

[Huh]

RiversideRedneck wrote:

<quoted text>
Again with the Tripoli thing?
That was a negatiation & ass kissing tactic to not go to war with Muslim pirates.
It was intended to let them know that America will not have a Holy War - a war casued by and for a religion.
Nothing more.

The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.
-- Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist

[KittenKoder]

waaasssuuup wrote:

<quoted text>
"The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles"
i wouldn't want you living anywhere near me, you God hating, lying, covetous, murdering, adultering, thief!

The first five are nothing but your god's vanity, so his statement is perfectly logical, it also does not mean he condones breaking the law or behaving against the species, that is what your doctrine justifies though. The ten commandments are actually "obey these unless you are doing it in the name of your god."

[timn17]

lightbeamrider wrote:

<quoted text> Yeah it means you are in denial about the real consequences of your atheism and history. A person at work has an exchange student from Germany. She has said in East Germany if a young person got confirmed in either the Catholic or Lutheren church they were automatically denied college under the Communists. You need to read books about people who went to Gulags, had their property seized. Look at Ayn Rand who was big on property rights. Her whole family had their property seized and they got the boot. The killing off of people because they completed college and were not Communists. You got you head so far up your behind on this one, you cannot see the light of day.

Most communist regimes function under a cult of personality, not "atheism," as if atheism could even be a doctrine. See - North Korea (Kim), Chine (Mao), etc.

[karl44]

Laconic Assassins wrote:

<quoted text>It is a scientific fact that all homophobes are practicing homosexuals. The gay suicides are the proof. Try as they may, they have yet to find a straight who killed her/himself due to homophobia.

those persons who marginalize the homosexuals, should be held criminally responsible for those suicides. Culture is beginning to take bullying more seriously. And there is no bigger bully than the christian ethos, and those deluded persons who support such failed morality.

[KittenKoder]

Spaceship earth wrote:

Religious and Atheist in prisons.
In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%.
During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.
Steiner and Swancara surveyed Canadian prisons and found 1,294 Catholics, 435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, and 1 Unitarian.
W. T. Root, professor of
psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion,
due to thought, strengthens character," adding
that Unitarians, Agnostics. Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so.
Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked 22,000 prison inmates
and found only 4 college graduates. In "Who's Who"
91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of
superstition and ignorance."

Although it doesn't technically prove anything, considering that the largest population is christian so most criminals would be by default, they'll pull a no true Scotsman fallacy anyway.

[karl44]

Laconic Assassins wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, sorry, I was following the thread, no citations. Trust me, I have a lot of citations, when your clan is ready to present your citations, then they will be equally matched. Until then, you can pretend that I don't have any or the ones that have been posted in the past do not exist. Just saying.

you are a hate troll

with no evidence for your claims

dismissed

[Aura Mytha]

lightbeamrider wrote:

<quoted text> Yeah it means you are in denial about the real consequences of your atheism and history. A person at work has an exchange student from Germany. She has said in East Germany if a young person got confirmed in either the Catholic or Lutheren church they were automatically denied college under the Communists. You need to read books about people who went to Gulags, had their property seized. Look at Ayn Rand who was big on property rights. Her whole family had their property seized and they got the boot. The killing off of people because they completed college and were not Communists. You got you head so far up your behind on this one, you cannot see the light of day.

So now you would like to define Communism as atheism , you are wrong . Communism is a full blown ideology where atheism is only the rejection of your fallacy.

The truth is your ideology is in conflict with communism , communists are not in necessity defined as atheists. Though many are it is not about belief in god that drives communistic ideology it is belief that no men should acquire extreme wealth while another is poor. You are a victim of the 70's propaganda.

You should lean the simple truth that atheists in America are not about communism , they are about dispelling your fallacious beliefs in an imaginary god.

It is no more than that. And American atheist's will die for his American brothers not because god said to.

But because we want to protect our friends and family, we look forward in death to no afterlife but offer it because we love them for different reasons. That are really the same reasons , we love our friends and family because they are our lives.

Because the good of the many outweighs the good of the few, or the one.

[karl44]

waaasssuuup wrote:

<quoted text>
"The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles"
i wouldn't want you living anywhere near me, you God hating, lying, covetous, murdering, adultering, thief!

is this a hint

can we begin to deduce

who posts as the name changing hate troll

[karl44]

God Himself wrote:

<quoted text>
We have been through this before; the reality of God is independent of the value of the bible.
Would it have been better if man knew God directly instead of having to refer to a book?
It hardly seems so; use the natural world as an example. Even though we all experience it, we have different perceptions and interpretations of it.
So even if God was walking among us in the flesh or whatever form; there would still be ass-holes like you who find something to be sceptical about and doubt.

a god would be intelligent empatheitc, and moral

so would be his creations

that leaves you out

your reveal yourself, you lack intellect, you lack empathy, your morality is second hand and a failure. We read your posts, you are no god, and you are no representation of a god.

The god you imagine is a projection of your psyche, and that is why the god you imagine is so evil.

[karl44]

Lady Derringer wrote:

Three Questions:
1.) Someone at a party over the weekend (almost caused WW3)was saying there was someone before God. They said it was on You-Tube. Has anyone else heard this rumour?
2.) Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet and not the son of God.
3.) Doesn't the Christian's and Muslim's main belief contradict each other in a way?

3. Muslim's are a divergent sect of the Hebrew belief set, the further back in time, the more divergence can be seen (usually). christianity is an evolved belief system, which has its roots in the abrahamic god, as does the muslim tradition.

they are the same core belief set.

2. correct

1. could you define the question more accurately.

the character from the NT, known as jesus, was assembled from older mythology, the attributes can be accurately delineated, jesus is the most recent (widely known) construction of a long history of sun gods.

[headlines]

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MIDEAST PEACE Talks --------(Israel/Antichrist)

http://www.youtube.com/watch...


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[Al Garcia]

karl44 wrote:

<quoted text>
a god would be intelligent empatheitc, and moral
so would be his creations
that leaves you out
your reveal yourself, you lack intellect, you lack empathy, your morality is second hand and a failure. We read your posts, you are no god, and you are no representation of a god.
The god you imagine is a projection of your psyche, and that is why the god you imagine is so evil.

If I may take this a just a step further Karl, is there a good Christian in your point of view, that can project a Good and loving God?

[Aura Mytha]

Al Garcia wrote:

<quoted text>
If I may take this a just a step further Karl, is there a good Christian in your point of view, that can project a Good and loving God?

There are some good people who are much like the deer looking at the headlights, thinking it's god Al. The light at the end of the tunnel , it has 50 cars and don't move toward it or you will be run over by a big ole train.

[Al Garcia]

Huh wrote:

<quoted text>The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience, Omnipresence, Supernatural, Transcendence, Afterlife, Deity, Divinity, Theology, Monotheism, Missionary, Immaculate Conception, Christmas, Christianity, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Methodist, Catholic, Pope, Cardinal, Catechism, Purgatory, Penance, Transubstantiation, Excommunication, Dogma, Chastity, Unpardonable Sin, Infallibility, Inerrancy, Incarnation, Epiphany, Sermon, Eucharist, the Lord's Prayer, Good Friday, Doubting Thomas, Advent, Sunday School, Dead Sea, Golden Rule, Moral, Morality, Ethics, Patriotism, Education, Atheism, Apostasy, Conservative (Liberal is in), Capital Punishment, Monogamy, Abortion, Pornography, Homosexual, Lesbian, Fairness, Logic, Republic, Democracy, Capitalism, Funeral, Decalogue, or Bible.
-- Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist

Pretty cool Huh?! Check these out as well. Things not in the original documents either:

The Air Force
Congressional Districts
The Electoral College
Executive Order
Executive Privilege
Freedom of Expression
(Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
"From each according to his ability..."
Immigration
Impeachment means removal from office
Innocent until proven guilty
It's a free country
Judicial Review
Jury of Peers
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
Marriage
Martial Law
No taxation without representation
Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
"Of the people, by the people, for the people"
Paper Money
Political Parties
Primary Elections
Qualifications for Judges
The right to privacy
The right to travel
The right to vote
The separation of church and state
The Separation of Powers Clause
Slavery
"We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Nuff said....

[Warren J]

karl44 wrote:

to
not by
;
jesus

What Jim Jones Jesus Juice....Marshall Applewhites comet, Warren Jeffs Bible babble not convincing enough???? Hitler should be proof enough no God exists......ever!!!!!!!!!!Let the brain washing .......