Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572541 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Don't be so put out. I didn't question your patriotism.
The first comment you responded to reminded you that Europeans wiped out the native Americans. Your comment said you didn't care. That's a might makes right comment, an "ends justifies the means" comment. Your "I don't care" means "I don't want to know the repercussions of history, the lessons we need to learn, why our world is as it is.
I'm sorry you fail to realize this.
No, silly. I said nothing of history except for my own - my family lineage, nothing more.

Don't read into it.

I don't care where my ancestors came from. Because they had ancestors & their ancestors had ancestors, ad infinitum.

I understand what Europeans did to the Indians. I've read plenty of history books. That doesn't pertain to me personally, though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572542 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, that's what you'd do if you were a small penised heterosexual who couldn't get off from a vagina.
lol

even stephen
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572543 Dec 12, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You can answer these questions yourself, too, and maybe (a BIG maybe) you'll get some perspective.
But I don't hold out much hope for someone that wants to call himself "god". A person like you has already crossed the crazy bridge into BALALALALALALALALALALand!
Let's take your ice cream exampl: If ice cream can have so many different flavors, why can't "god"?
After all, we can say "we believe in god" but confict begins if it's the "wrong" god (different from somebody else's "god").
But humans don't go to war and kill people over ice cream, like they do over the idea of a "god", do they?
No.
Dude, you're not even making sense to yourself.
No wonder your crazy @ss is locked up! It's where you belong!
Religion is no different from science; both spell disaster when the wrong people get involved.

The expression "humans don't go to war and kill people over ice cream, like they do over the idea of a "god", do they" is a joke.

None of the things you are talking about have anything to do with the existence of God.

You keep referring to morality, as if morality has anything to do with existence in and of itself. Get a grip man.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572544 Dec 12, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Sometimes you should.
I hold spiders in my hand. I let them rest in my hair.
My classmates think I'm weird. Go figure.
Attagirl.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572545 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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your perspective is limited by your intellect
your ego, may encompass all of that which you consider reality, but I live and find meaning independent of your ego.
and to be clear
neither your ego nor your god need, create or define a god.
You also live and find meaning independent of scientific fact which you so vehemently defend.

Does that make you a liar, a fool, a hypocrite or just a f&$king retard?

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572546 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
JESUS ADVOCATED VIOLENCE, SECTARIANISM & FANATICISM:
i can understand the naked violence and bloodshed and hatred and sectarianism indulged in by YHVH, the Hebrew pagan deity. But, for the exalted Prince of Peace, Jesus, to exhibit bigotry and advocate violence is a big shock:
1)“36…… and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
- Luke, 22/36
2) Christ also declared in the New Testament (Matthew, 10/34) that he has come not for peace but to wield a sword.
3) Jesus also says in another chapter of the New Testament (John, 15/6) that one who does not seek shelter in him, will be thrown like a withered branch of tree fit to be burnt in fire.
4) Christ categorically says in the New Testament (Mark, 16/16) that he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved, while he who does not believe (in Christ and Christianity) shall be damned.
5)“27. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke, 19/27
What kind of a Prince of Peace was Jesus? LOL.
do you really think you can sell that hype simply by extracting snippets of scriptures out of context? how deceitful you are.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572547 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Do you know the word "materteral"? It's the female counterpart of avuncular.
No, I'd not come across that one. Thanks!

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#572548 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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they celebrate the same pagan day as do we, they merely lie about the reason to celebrate.
most of them have no idea, at all, that their god was born in the image of a sun god.
This I know and this is what I am trying to get RR to understand. I know, I know, an impossible task but I am willing to try

The history of their god can be traced back through the exodus to Amenhotep IV
(Akhenaten) and his worship of the Aten (Ra), the sun god and you are quite correct, most o them have no idea.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572549 Dec 12, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I had to google the story as your link only gave me a page with a lot of advertising and titles on it, but I did find the ABC story. It seems Ballard thinks he can prove, which others have already believed, that a major flood did occur in the Black Sea area, which could have been caused by an increase in water levels which caused the water to rush into the Black Sea area or generally the area of the Bible stories, burying towns etc, in that area.
Ballard believes that this might then "prove" that the story of Noah's Flood was based on legends about a real flood which covered a small part of a small part of the earth.
Some of the above was put into my own words for lack of memory of what I read.
Ballard is not going to prove that Noah's Flood actually occurred nor is that his intention. He just wants to see if the myth was based on a real flood of a smaller area, which, I thought, has already been proved anyway.
We still know from lots of other archeological and geological findings, and through scientific calculations that the Noah's Flood did not ever occur on the planet Earth after life started here. The earth at some point in the beginning may have all been molten so at that time it would have been 'flooded' with molten metals, etc.
again if you are able to watch the 2 part program on ABC Dec 28th you just might learn somethings you weren't aware of.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572550 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO, the atheist defines the theist.....
Nice.
Except you're wrong.
I'm not wrong.

Every belief you have concerning your deity is based upon the bible.

Without the bible you would not have your deity belief.

The bible is a book of myth.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572551 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Moron.
It's completely realated. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related.
Which, as you were told, has bugger-all to do with abiogenesis.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572552 Dec 12, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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The article doesn't say his discoveries prove a world wide flood.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-sug...
It does say Ballard is attempting to prove a world wide flood, but that the area he is looking at is thought to have been affected by a localized flood that occurred when the Mediterranean Sea flooded the Black Sea region. The shells and coral date to 5000BCE, but the oldest artifact he has discovered so far dates to 500BCE.
Additionally...
Here are some problems for the biblical "world wide" flood.
5th millennium BCE in North American history
http://en.wikipedia.org
List of archaeological periods (North America)
/wiki/List_of_archaeological_p eriods_%28North_America%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
5th millennium BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
Badari culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badari_culture
Merimde culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merimde
Those aren't all inclusive, and just represent a few if Ballard is trying to assert a 5000BCE date for the biblical flood.
<quoted text> The link you provided above does not link to the story you are speaking of.
Why do theists have such a difficult time copying links and pasting them properly?
There is no argument based on the archaeological evidence, unless you are an Abrahamic theist.
as i suggested to boots, you might want to watch the 2 part program on ABC Dec 28th at 9PM ET
you MIGHT learn some things you didn't know about.

He has already carbon dated things there to approx 5,000 BC which puts it at the time frame of Noah's flood.
He said the earth was covered in ice at one time.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572553 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Another science hater brought to you courtesy of Jesus, Inc.
No, science is NOT about fairness. It's about discovering the laws and other features of the physical world using a particular method.
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I wouldn't care if there were a historical Jesus. How would that matter to me? That only matters to somebody who insists that a magic man named Jesus actually existed. And actual Jesus does nothing at all for that claim any more than an actual Jerusalem, Pilate and Rome do.
Its not that Jesus didn't really exist, but rather that he doesn't mean anything to you. Thats what I am seeing here.

So what now: that which doesnt mean anything to you does not exist?

You are a liar, and the generation of the Chief Liar and the Satan (i.e. an obstacle).

Even your stance as an atheist stinks of Lucifarianism; do you have omniscience so that you can assert that a thing cannot be proven or does not exist?

You piece if shit.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572554 Dec 12, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
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The typical bible-college b.s.
God is so great it's impossible for you to disprove. My dad can beat up your dad, or what ever way you want to say it.
God is so much better than you, you can't grasp him. Mindless drivel
the evidence of God can be seen.

Creation, did not create itself.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#572555 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh boy...
The ole "ancient pagan holiday" routine, huh?
HA HA HA HA!!!
Hey Chris, prove it.
My goodness you really are incredibly think today. Why do you think the Puritans banned christmas in 1659? Reason, because of it’s pagan origins

You could try googling “pagan origins of Christmas” but hey, I’ll do it for you, here are about 4.5 million websites on the origins
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&safe=off&a...

Note that many of those websites are religious sites and church sites

There ya go consider it proved HA HA HA HA!!!
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572556 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What people? Josephus? Characters in the bible? What testimony are considering evidence of the existence of a historical Jesus?
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Stunt?
What was your point with that? What do you think happened there? Dawkins called Jesus myth and fantasy, then agreed that the matter was "under dispute," that it wasn't "a very important question," and then said that most historians - or most ancient historians - thought Jesus was a real person. I didn't hear any apology from Dawkins, nor do I see what he would have to apologize for.
The fact that he didnt even apologise shows how utterly vile he is.

How can the bastard make an assertion like that?

How can Jesus be a fantasy when " most historians - or most ancient historians - thought Jesus was a real person"?

BTW, what does the fact that the historians were ancient have to do with the validity of the material they report?
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572557 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nonsense.
You probably should know that we don't take our scientific instruction from amateurs in science, most especially Christians ones. Your antiscientific agenda is well known.
Are you saying that science can be built on a negative argument; yes or no?
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572558 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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i disagree.
See, salvation must be integral - no part of existence (material, emotional, vital or mental) must be left out.
Every aspect of existence should be purified and perfected by infusing the lower reaches of existence with the superior powers of the higher ranges of consciousness-energy so that the whole system vibrates as a singularity. Perfection is the aim. Once this is achieved, then, there is no coming and no going. One simply IS!
My idea of Salvation involves the influence of God in removing what is valid from what is unnecessary; as in the restoration of the true self to its true place, away from the confines of this material prison.

Your idea of Salvation, especially the one you suggest that is independent of God (if you said so ) is fundamentally Lucifarian in nature.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572559 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Morality - Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.- Behaviour as it is affected by the observation of these principles.
There is no absolute or relative nor is any religion involved, morality is predominantly a human trait (although not exclusively) and it has certainly been around for long before christianity. Without it civilisation would not have flourished.
However I really did think you would come up with some religious titbit, so funny that you quote Saulus who assisted in the capture of Judas the Galilean, better known to you as Jesus. Would you consider assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist as moral? Or would you consider the capture of your lord and saviour as moral?
Did you ask a question or make a statement? I'll choose the former.

Yes, assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist is a moral thing because the murdering terrorist is not doing moral deeds.

No, the capture, trial & execution of Jesus was not the moral thing to do. The Romans saw Jesus as a great threat to them. The 300 years following Jesus' execution & subsequent following of people to Jesus' name ruined the Roman Empire.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572560 Dec 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Are you saying all priests are atheists?
Since when did non belief in a deity become a religion? Come on I am eager to hear you explanation for your stupid comment
Atheism became a belief system as soon as the first atheist said "I believe there is no God."

The dichotomy that Atheists try to create between science and religion is false. The conflict is between interpretations of science coming from different religious worldviews.

Atheism shouldn’t be taught or enforced in settings where other religions are banned and shouldn’t be favored by laws which imply a religiously neutral government.

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