Prove there's a god.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#572793 Dec 12, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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According to the local atheists on this forum, you are liar. They claim that Christianity is declining, not expanding.
They claim that atheism is what is expanding, so the destruction you must be observing must be the result of atheism.....something I've been pointing out for years.
Thanks for making atheists look like the fools they are.
Christianity is declining in the west. All western, formerly Christian countries have only a tiny fraction of their population who practice religion today, and the numbers are decreasing.

I wouldn't want it to just disappear though, as there has to be a progression to a better system which takes into account equality of all people, which religions don't do.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#572794 Dec 12, 2012
go rilla wrote:
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please explain how morals destroy the world. let's says people aren't bigots they are peaceful and live according to the 10 commandments, what harm would that do?
Morals aren't even a top priority with christians, so why bring it up? Why do you need ten commandments?

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#572795 Dec 12, 2012
boooots wrote:
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It would be nice if had been boring enough to make you quit this site.:)
Why are atheists like you such hateful useless people ???
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#572796 Dec 12, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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So is lunacy, absurdity, and crime.
Well, momotheism does run the world, and this is the response you get with it.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572797 Dec 12, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Is it that you can't handle others believing differently than you, or are you scared for them?

If you are scared for them, then why? You won't be a judge in his final moment, will you? So again, why?

You are starting to show your arrogance.
Each to his own.

However, when a group of people holding on to a particular set of beliefs goes verbose and imposes that on others without sound reasonings or the concomitant proofs, it's ridiculous and an act of extreme bigotry.

i've categorised people into 3 major groups - atheists, believers and realists.

1) ATHEISTS - simply believe that the universe and its phenomena arose from a supposed pre-Big Bang singularity that cannot be mathematically or experimentally proven and given the serious contradictions and lack of capacity of these juvenile inferential methods, it's evident that all attempts at understanding the origin of the universe from its state of pre-manifestation have ended up in failure. These atheists firmly believe in blind forces, game of chance and random processes as constituting the foundation of causation which is irrational to say the least and which fails to account for order, organization, sentience and purpose. They also believe that life and life forms are derived from insentience which is a shocking paradox. There's no way to prove that sentience with its uniquely complex attributes can ever arise from a mass of insentience and there exist other serious difficulties as well that they cannot account for using the crass materialistic model. So, atheists cannot be taken seriously and are mumbo jumboists.

2) BELIEVERS - are the typical mumbo jumbo sectarian crapsters who hold on to scriptural hogwash, mindless rituals and adhere to the irrational belief in an extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist deity that they attempt to impose on others. Religions have shed more blood in history than any other pursuit. Formal religion is not for thinking and conscientious types.

3) REALISTS - are those thoughtful few who base their life and karma on the real or on the tangibles like consciousness and energy that none can deny since consciousness and energy are irrefutable facts of existence. They see and experience that order, organization, sentience and purpose can only arise from unified field of consciousness-energy. Order is a sign of consciousness, while activity implies energy at work and so as order and activity pervade the universe and since order and activity inhere in personal life that we experience every second thus it stands to reason that the same mechanism or principle is at work in the universe as well as in the individual. It's just a matter of scale. It also stands to reason, and it is common the experience of a few through all ages, that subtler states of consciousness with an inherent energy component exist and can be directly experienced. Intuition is one direct pathway to experiencing the higher states of consciousness.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#572798 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey, thanks.
I see religion as a product of evolution. It cannot be otherwise.
RR's not quite like Buck. Buck had a charming sense of humor, RR has a different, drunken sense of humor. RR seems to understand evolution better than Buck. Buck seems to understand some parts of philosophy and religion better than RR.
In my opinion.
How're you doing, Karl?
spending too much time on topix.

religion, tribalism is easily seen as evolutionary, I think we are at the point where, on the cost benefit curve, that religion is a net cost, and will be eliminated by evolution. To the benefit of future generations (as usual lol)

on the question of religious delusion, I oscillate between pity for the victims of indoctrination to disgust for the lack of intellect implied by (abrahamic) belief.

may there be a rational and ethical future for the human race

oh

and --- god bless us ---- every one

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#572799 Dec 12, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists are evil. They adore wickedness. That's why they hate the 10 commandments. They think killing is good.
That's why one of them shot up and killed a bunch of folks in Oregon yesterday. At least the atheist killed himself.
I hadn't heard of that incident until I read your post and then googled it, and it is certainly tragic. However they haven't released any information on the shooter, other than his name and photo, as of a very recent report, so how would you know he is an atheist. What would being an atheist have to do with shooting people? Atheists aren't identified by any known descriptions other than it is a broad descriptive word to cover those who have no beliefs in any gods. That gives us no information whatsoever about their likes, dislikes, any causes they belong to, what they do, where they live, nothing. It is just a non thing.

If, for example you are a Christian, you are part of a group which consists of less than 50% of the total world population, and Christians are divided into 40,000 various denominations and sects, some of which don't even recognize other denominations as Christians. So even a Christian cannot be identified simply by the word Christian, other than one might assume that he claims to be a Christian.

Many Christians, especially the very abusive and bigoted ones we have seen on Topix, would not even be considered to have the qualities or morals expected of a Christian, so likely in truth they are not even Christians.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572800 Dec 12, 2012
WHO IS A REALIST?

REALISTS are those thoughtful few who base their life and karma on the real or on the tangibles like consciousness and energy that none can deny since consciousness and energy are irrefutable facts of existence. They see and experience that order, organization, sentience and purpose can only arise from unified field of consciousness-energy. Order is a sign of consciousness, while activity implies energy at work and so as order and activity pervade the universe and since order and activity inhere in personal life that we experience every second thus it stands to reason that the same mechanism or principle is at work in the universe as well as in the individual. It's just a matter of scale. It also stands to reason, and it is a common experience of a few through all ages, that subtler states of consciousness with an inherent energy component exist and can be directly experienced. Intuition is one direct pathway to experiencing the higher states of consciousness.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572801 Dec 12, 2012
REASON exceeds INSTINCT. INTUITION exceeds REASON.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572802 Dec 12, 2012
INSTINCT, REASON & INTUITION form a triune of consciousness in action.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572803 Dec 12, 2012
THE DYNAMICS OF THE TRIUNE:

INSTINCT must support REASON and REASON should support INTUITION for best results and as constituting a grand synthesis of the triple aspects of one reality.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572804 Dec 12, 2012
IN ANIMALS, the faculty of INSTINCT with a rudimentary sense of reason is largely at work. HUMANS possess all these 3 capacities - instinct, reason and intuition - as part of their innate individual and collective consciousnesses.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#572805 Dec 12, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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the evidence of God can be seen.
Creation, did not create itself.
what in hell do you call creation?

is a snow flake created?

or is it an expression of natural phenomena?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572806 Dec 12, 2012
THE CONSCIOUSNESS IN HUMAN BEINGS is centralized in the brain but several centres of consciousness exist at different points of the nervous system that act in an individual capacity.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572807 Dec 12, 2012
Bye, boyz.

(smiles)

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#572808 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did you ask a question or make a statement? I'll choose the former.
Yes, assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist is a moral thing because the murdering terrorist is not doing moral deeds.
No, the capture, trial & execution of Jesus was not the moral thing to do. The Romans saw Jesus as a great threat to them. The 300 years following Jesus' execution & subsequent following of people to Jesus' name ruined the Roman Empire.
so, you believe that the Roman Empire was ruined by christianity.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#572809 Dec 12, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>Atheists are evil. They adore wickedness. That's why they hate the 10 commandments. They think killing is good.
That's why one of them shot up and killed a bunch of folks in Oregon yesterday. At least the atheist killed himself.
Was the 9/11 tradgedy caused by atheists? Was Timothy McVeigh atheist? Is the KKK atheist. Nope, all monotheists. And btw, evil is something that you monotheists have to live with, since you made that up also.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#572810 Dec 12, 2012
boooots wrote:
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Yes, he has, but his stated purpose to to try to see if a flood there might have led to people passing down tales of a Black Sea flood, which someone later devised the story of Noah's Ark, using that real flood as the idea which he/she developed the Flood myth from. He has not stated he is trying to prove that Noah's Flood did occur.
oh

do not explain it to her

this will be like the giants

her confirmation bias will allow her to read the opposite of the text if that is what it takes to get her confirmation fix.

Let us watch the formation of dogma and belief, let us see the evolution, do not disturb the godbot in its' nest.
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#572811 Dec 12, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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If they are not hypocritical, they are at work. This Christmas is on Tuesday. They should be working. In fact, they should be working 7 days a week since they don't honor the Sabbath either.
Atheists are bigoted liars and I spit on atheists when I get the chance..
When you spit on atheists, does that make you a special kind of christian or a typical christian?

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#572812 Dec 12, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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Thanks, Ar Ar.
Now we're getting somewhere.
They borrowed and took from a variety of earlier and preexisting cultural/societal myths and traditions.
The bible is a collection of those earlier culturally assimilated myths and traditions from other peoples, not Hebrew.
The deity,'Yahweh", for instance, had origins in Canaanite deity beliefs and practices.
el the god of war

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