Prove there's a god.

Since: Jun 12

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#572759 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You Christians seem to have no concept of what our lives are really like, or what it's like to mature without the influence of religion.
Yeah you are Godless and lost and the clock is ticking. I would add atheists are deluded, closed off from all of reality. In a naturalistic box. Atheists do not like their assumptions scrutinized and outright deny or ignore the natural consequences of their assumptions.
You show no compassion, just a fear of judgment and retribution.
I have no compassion for atheistic assumptions that will hurt people in the long run especially when the solution is right there! Most say they deny God because of lack of evidence which i think is BS but even if true atheists forfeit a Theist position and go to atheist position which cannot be proven and there is really no logic to it.
I can tell by what many of you keep telling us what we must certainly think, like in the comments above.
It does not matter to me what you think. More interested in exposing the fallacies of your assumptions. Neither you notr Hiding have responded to a single one of my points. Not one!
Not to me, nor to most of the rest of the skeptics with humanist values posting here.
Yeah but your humanistic assumptions has not really cost you anything. You oppose slavery, big deal, who doesn't?
Opposing slavery makes obvious sense in a godless universe,
To some it does and why not since it is humans who determine these things and there is no accountability post death.
but apparently not if you grow up believing in a god.
Exactly. God is ther God of slaves too. They are image of God and they cry out to God when injustice is done to them. When they are abused and raped. Though these things happen there is a time where abusers will have to answer. There will be no escape, no appeal.
It's really hard to believe that you don't know better.
In that closed box you hide in a person can get away with murder and as long as he does not get caught then his only fate is ultimately death and nothingness. The same fate he effected for his victim. Both victim and perp undergo the same fate.
You have missed out on so much of what I would call an authentic human experience.
And you know that how?
Christian morality and Christian spirituality typically tend to be underdeveloped, which is ironic given how you seem to assume that you have the monopoly on both.
I have not read your posts lately but i do remember you are hostile to Christianity. Constantly distort it etc etc so your opinion above is of little value to me. For example you say i have a monopoly on Christian morality. Why would you even say something like that since you know next to nothing about me? One poster says i have a monopoly on Christian morality and Hiding frefers to me as Satan! Well???? Which is it? It is not about me anyway. The source does not matter if the information is true. No matter what you think of me you need to know i do not want you or anybody here ending up in hell. Facing God with no Advocate.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#572760 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
QUESTIONS:
1) During moments of sadness or depression, why do we feel a dull, constricted and slightly painful sensation in the center of the chest region?
2) Why are these symptoms of suffering not felt in the brain since most believe, as science tells us, that the brain is everything?
(smiles)
There is nothing more pleasing to me than someone who mistakenly thinks they are clever.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#572761 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why am I not surprised? That you protested the war......
You are a coward & a traitor & an America hater.
This is why you moved to Mexico.
Why am I not surprised that you associate protest with "america hating." How brainwashed can someone be?

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt

I know that quote is specifically about criticizing the president, but I think you get the point.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#572762 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiight.
You can skew the words in Genesis all you want so long as it makes the Bible look wrong, huh?
And you can "interpret it" all you want as long as it makes the bible look "right."

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#572763 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Evolution doesn't speak to abiogenesis."
But evolution says that ALL life evolved from ONE single cell organism...
Evolution & abiogenesis are interconnected.
Dude...

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#572764 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, Americans DO trust in God. At leat 75% of us do anyway.
If Clinton hadn't been busy gettin his rocks off in the Oval Office, maybe the media would've told us more about Al Qaeda's uprising and all the problems they were causing. But, NOOOOOO...... The media was more focused on the President's semen smear on the blue dress....
Bush did the right thing by invading Iraq. They were a major funder of terrorism, we need to squash them out once and for all.
Most Americans have had enough with the stupid terrorists and their Jihad. Most of us agreed with Bush at the time we invaded Iraq. That led to Afghanistan then to the death of Bin Laden.
Would you rather let terror live on?
Would you rather let innocent people get murdered by the thousands?
Damn, man. Get you balls back on and take a friggin stand for your freedom!
I'm not surprised that you don't even have your chronology correct - we invaded afghanistan before iraq.

But you're right, we were totally justified in invading a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. After all, 3000 of our innocent lives are worth more than at least half a million of theirs. For democracy!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#572765 Dec 12, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
An upscale dining establishment that offers various vegetarian dishes, along with fine wines.
What? I got to start drinking for you?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#572766 Dec 12, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. we have never received an honest response regarding God's 'ancient world' slavery instructions nor will believers condemn such practice because to do so would contradict their God ..
Slavery has been addressed before. As far as condemming slavery that was a long time ago in a different country and it would be ethnocentric in a historic sense to condemn slavery as well as futile. They had a differnet system set up where slaves were generally POW's and it was considered merciful to let them live. Non Jewish females underwent a status change from slave to wife if intercourse was involved. Hebrew slavery, as a whole was mild and i think most are illiterate of the Old Testament here and have fixed ideas about it. It was also time specific. I know they had debt slaves where Hebrews worked off debts but that was subject to all sorts of regulation and there was the year of Jubilee where Hebrew slaves were set free if they desired that. Some chose to stay.
.. that's intellectual dishonesty or the inability to question the authority of scriptures even if obscene or amoral ..
Obscene or immoral based on what? If them folks had a chance to look at your life what do you think they would have to say about you? Your opinion of them? How do you think they would respond? Perhaps they would mention how ignorant they find you? That you are judgmental, immoral for being a happy lesbo. Not even enough sense to be ashamed. That when it comes to their culture you don't have a clue.

Since: Jul 10

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#572767 Dec 12, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth is most atheists are really agnostic.
If in the hunt for a cohesive force that runs the universe something is found or proven like the string theory......
Would that not be god in a way, the absolute, cohesive force that runs the universe and explains everything.
If through science you can prove there is a god or gods I'll be the first one there preaching, until that day....
I suppose if one was to analyze it deeply enough that could be the case. I admit that I don't know there is a god, and I don't know there isn't a god. It appears no man knows either way, but millions claim to not only know there is a god, but are also positive to the point that they will bet their life and/or their eternity on it.

Of course, if there is no eternity for any individual man, then betting one's eternity is betting nothing.

I think the biggest problem that man has faced in regards to religion(s) is that the various religions of the past and the present, because of the various expectations those religions placed on man, according to how they are taught or indoctrinated into man, man has done some extremely drastic things, many of them having some good elements, and also many having some bad to extremely evil elements.

There has likely not been any religion, though I am no authority on most other religions, that has ever not crossed all of the above.

The biggest problem is they are all propagated by man passing on stories to other men, based usually on beliefs in the supernatural and the never seen superpowers of some kind. So they always have an element of doubt whether they are true or false.

I suppose there could be claimed to be some cohesive force that controls everything, as there are smaller forces which we have identified and know exist, but the ones we do know about, though they seem to work in generally a specific way, they don't seem to have any intelligent being behind them, but are just functions of various matter relating to other various matter.

With the God that most spend so much time talking about, and many worshiping, there is not only a perceived invisible force but also this force is an entity which has some of the functions of man, such as thought, anger, revenge, jealousy.

Man claims that this force or God has those characteristics yet we have no evidence to prove such things exist. We have nothing, certainly in recent times, or even in more ancient times, that might be considered as a god taking revenge on man, that cannot be fully explained by natural phenomena that occur on the earth, which are caused by known forces within or around the earth, and though we don't always predict or are able to predict when these various events are going to happen, they can all be explained by science without any intentional control by some entity.

Again most of such events told about in ancient books are doubtful that they ever happened.

The actual stories in the Bible that might indicate a cognitive entity exhibiting these types of 'emotions' apparently are pretty well known to be myths created by man.

Since: Sep 11

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#572768 Dec 12, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Slavery has been addressed before. As far as condemming slavery that was a long time ago in a different country and it would be ethnocentric in a historic sense to condemn slavery as well as futile. They had a differnet system set up where slaves were generally POW's and it was considered merciful to let them live. Non Jewish females underwent a status change from slave to wife if intercourse was involved. Hebrew slavery, as a whole was mild and i think most are illiterate of the Old Testament here and have fixed ideas about it. It was also time specific. I know they had debt slaves where Hebrews worked off debts but that was subject to all sorts of regulation and there was the year of Jubilee where Hebrew slaves were set free if they desired that. Some chose to stay.
<quoted text> Obscene or immoral based on what? If them folks had a chance to look at your life what do you think they would have to say about you? Your opinion of them? How do you think they would respond? Perhaps they would mention how ignorant they find you? That you are judgmental, immoral for being a happy lesbo. Not even enough sense to be ashamed. That when it comes to their culture you don't have a clue.
You are missing the point. Even if you were capable of defending slavery as an institution (you aren't), you still can't explain why a timeless, all powerful deity would define morality based on the shifting moral attitudes of his creations. That does not make sense.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

United States

#572769 Dec 12, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
What? I got to start drinking for you?
Nope.

I'm happy to drink the whole bottle.

But I may end up having to lean on you!

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

United States

#572770 Dec 12, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Slavery has been addressed before. As far as condemming slavery that was a long time ago in a different country and it would be ethnocentric in a historic sense to condemn slavery as well as futile. They had a differnet system set up where slaves were generally POW's and it was considered merciful to let them live. Non Jewish females underwent a status change from slave to wife if intercourse was involved. Hebrew slavery, as a whole was mild and i think most are illiterate of the Old Testament here and have fixed ideas about it. It was also time specific. I know they had debt slaves where Hebrews worked off debts but that was subject to all sorts of regulation and there was the year of Jubilee where Hebrew slaves were set free if they desired that. Some chose to stay.
<quoted text> Obscene or immoral based on what? If them folks had a chance to look at your life what do you think they would have to say about you? Your opinion of them? How do you think they would respond? Perhaps they would mention how ignorant they find you? That you are judgmental, immoral for being a happy lesbo. Not even enough sense to be ashamed. That when it comes to their culture you don't have a clue.
Mild slavery.

That's a good one.

Like religious truth.

Oxymoronic much?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#572771 Dec 12, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
I'm happy to drink the whole bottle.
But I may end up having to lean on you!
Now I'm defo not going to drink! ;-)

Do I have to wear a dress or something?

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#572772 Dec 12, 2012
SimpleMindsYouAre wrote:
Prove there is not!!
Come on and do it.
Prove there's no God.
Don;t read out of a book or anything like that just prove there's not a God.
Or best yet believe how you choose and stop spending all your time and last brain cell trying to get others to explain their God. I will worship my God till the end.. you don't have too.. I'm ok with where I will spend my ever lasting life. Sounds like you maybe be getting nervous and not so sure of yourself.. and look God died even for you.. wow
Great response.

Just Results

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#572773 Dec 12, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose if one was to analyze it deeply enough that could be the case. I admit that I don't know there is a god, and I don't know there isn't a god. It appears no man knows either way, but millions claim to not only know there is a god, but are also positive to the point that they will bet their life and/or their eternity on it.
Of course, if there is no eternity for any individual man, then betting one's eternity is betting nothing.
I think the biggest problem that man has faced in regards to religion(s) is that the various religions of the past and the present, because of the various expectations those religions placed on man, according to how they are taught or indoctrinated into man, man has done some extremely drastic things, many of them having some good elements, and also many having some bad to extremely evil elements.
There has likely not been any religion, though I am no authority on most other religions, that has ever not crossed all of the above.
The biggest problem is they are all propagated by man passing on stories to other men, based usually on beliefs in the supernatural and the never seen superpowers of some kind. So they always have an element of doubt whether they are true or false.
I suppose there could be claimed to be some cohesive force that controls everything, as there are smaller forces which we have identified and know exist, but the ones we do know about, though they seem to work in generally a specific way, they don't seem to have any intelligent being behind them, but are just functions of various matter relating to other various matter.
With the God that most spend so much time talking about, and many worshiping, there is not only a perceived invisible force but also this force is an entity which has some of the functions of man, such as thought, anger, revenge, jealousy.
Man claims that this force or God has those characteristics yet we have no evidence to prove such things exist. We have nothing, certainly in recent times, or even in more ancient times, that might be considered as a god taking revenge on man, that cannot be fully explained by natural phenomena that occur on the earth, which are caused by known forces within or around the earth, and though we don't always predict or are able to predict when these various events are going to happen, they can all be explained by science without any intentional control by some entity.
Again most of such events told about in ancient books are doubtful that they ever happened.
The actual stories in the Bible that might indicate a cognitive entity exhibiting these types of 'emotions' apparently are pretty well known to be myths created by man.
Boring post.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572774 Dec 12, 2012
timn17 wrote:
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There is nothing more pleasing to me than someone who mistakenly thinks they are clever.
So, why is the sensation of sadness - heaviness, pain, uneasiness, constriction, dullness, gloom - felt in the middle of the chest region and not in the brain or elsewhere in the body?
go rilla

United States

#572775 Dec 12, 2012
why do atheists resent people christians so much? I understand there are some bigots out there but some are really good people and if they live according to the bible they shouldn't point fingers and irritate anyone. i think atheists like you are that like to antagonize are bigots
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572776 Dec 12, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>

It must feel cool to know a lot of big words and say absolutely nothing to you, Joel.

Did that make you feel smart for the time it took you to type these words that you had to look in the dictionary for just yesterday?
Are you homosexual?

(smiles)
pearl

Salt Lake City, UT

#572778 Dec 12, 2012
go rilla wrote:
why do atheists resent people christians so much? I understand there are some bigots out there but some are really good people and if they live according to the bible they shouldn't point fingers and irritate anyone. i think atheists like you are that like to antagonize are bigots
Because the western/christian expansion is what is detroying the world.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572779 Dec 12, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
JOEL wrote:

i disagree.

See, salvation must be integral - no part of existence (material, emotional, vital or mental) must be left out.
Every aspect of existence should be purified and perfected by infusing the lower reaches of existence with the superior powers of the higher ranges of consciousness-energy so that the whole system vibrates as a singularity. Perfection is the aim. Once this is achieved, then, there is no coming and no going. One simply IS!
God_Himself wrote:

My idea of Salvation involves the influence of God in removing what is valid from what is unnecessary; as in the restoration of the true self to its true place, away from the confines of this material prison.

Your idea of Salvation, especially the one you suggest that is independent of God (if you said so ) is fundamentally Lucifarian in nature.

<quoted text>

Hey Joel and GH....how's it going. I'm sitting here out on the ledge reading these two posts and I gotta admit, you two have some good points.

Joel with - "Every aspect of existence should be purified and perfected by infusing the lower reaches of existence with the superior powers of the higher ranges of consciousness-energy so that the whole system vibrates as a singularity."
- I call it Self [being/soul/Spirit/consciousne ss]

....and GH posting - "as in the restoration of the true self to its true place, away from the confines of this material prison."
..but yet Joel states "it's fictiouos".
New Age asks:
- Would either of you agree that all religions are man-made, thus some "fictious attributes are involved, because "God" has never been proven to exist in our reality?

- If you ponder for a moment on both statements, you will find that they both are relatively of the same substance - Self, and what is required by ourself to uphold "purity" through honesty, love and peace with others.

I think you both have said the same thing, but for some reason, you have denied that they are the same.

Good posts no matter which way you want to travel.
Cheers!
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