Prove there's a god.

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#572379 Dec 11, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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In God's Universe he makes the rules. Not the other way around. God is not restricted to our understanding of the rules of the universe.
that god exits outside of common reality, because the attributes you imbue him with contradict the entity out of our reality. the described god does not act in this reality, he is not an agent of change, for if he were, science would measure that change. if the god does not exist in our reality and if his actions are limited to "the nature of the universe" than he does not exist.

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#572380 Dec 11, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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At age 2. I remember reading the bible series books in the Doctors office.
http://bargainsnook.ecrater.com/p/7495683/the...
same doctor as patty?

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#572381 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
Existance period.
A "god" like you describe CANNOT exist.
"Omnipotence" MEANS "omniresponsibility" :
No. If God is all power and authority and if creation is God dependent then God is not responsible to creation. Creation is responsible to God.
"god" is the child AND "god" is the cancer that will kill the child.
"God" killing "god".
A "god" like this is IMPOSSIBLE.
Nothing would have ever lived, nothing will live, and nothing will ever live in the future with this type of "god".
Therefore, NO EXISTANCE.
NOTHING.
NEVER, EVER.
Your conclusion is invalid. Your first premise is off.

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#572382 Dec 11, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
You said that much better than I did.
Thank you - on behalf of Mr. Condell as well. He's quite the five alarm fire for theists.

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#572383 Dec 11, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> No. If God is all power and authority and if creation is God dependent then God is not responsible to creation.
If, If.

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Since: May 08

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#572384 Dec 11, 2012

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#572385 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
I notice that you doctored my quote: "What race of gods; the race of the god/gods that you dont believe in"...
Thats not fair;
What unfair thing was done to you? Are you implying that your meaning was changed or otherwise misrepresented by my editing? Let's see. Here's how your question originally appeared at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

God Himself wrote: "What race of gods; the race of the god/gods that you dont believe in , or one like that which men who practices absolutism (Nazism etc as you mentioned) are from?"

Here's how it appeared after I edited and responded to it at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE... :

God Himself wrote: "What race of gods; the race of the god/gods that you dont believe in"

IANS wrote: "Yes."

Now just how is that unfair to you?

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#572386 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
but science is not about fairness so I dont expect scientific thinkers to have much equity in thought or action.
Another science hater brought to you courtesy of Jesus, Inc.

No, science is NOT about fairness. It's about discovering the laws and other features of the physical world using a particular method.
God Himself wrote:
You would love to hear that there is no evidence of a historical Jesus; but thats your fatal flaw.
I wouldn't care if there were a historical Jesus. How would that matter to me? That only matters to somebody who insists that a magic man named Jesus actually existed. And actual Jesus does nothing at all for that claim any more than an actual Jerusalem, Pilate and Rome do.

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#572387 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
The historical existence of Jesus is confessed even by people who should have been more interested to see his memory wiped out of the earth. Even those who should have preferred to see the memory of him wiped out reported about him.
What people? Josephus? Characters in the bible? What testimony are considering evidence of the existence of a historical Jesus?
God Himself wrote:
That stunt was tried by one evolution theory advocate who had to apologize for it.
At the point: 9:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =y4uG3qC6KBwXX&feature=rel ated
Stunt?

What was your point with that? What do you think happened there? Dawkins called Jesus myth and fantasy, then agreed that the matter was "under dispute," that it wasn't "a very important question," and then said that most historians - or most ancient historians - thought Jesus was a real person. I didn't hear any apology from Dawkins, nor do I see what he would have to apologize for.

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#572388 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
You are a liar and the product of liars.
With that statement, one of is a liar. As for being a product of liars, of the two of us, you're the Christian.

Maybe you can show me with a link and a quotation from me where I lied. Or maybe you can't. Either way, it should settle the matter of which of us is the liar here.
God Himself wrote:
You dont even understand what is meant by the expression "there is no need for God".
Who are you quoting? I had assumed that it was me. Although I agree with that comment, and believe that I posted something similar to it somewhere recently, I checked my records to review the context in which it was said, and could not find that quotation in them.

Assuming that you paraphrased me and reported it as an exact quotation, are you about to tell me what I meant, or what the words necessarily must mean?
God Himself wrote:
That term relates to the idea that it is not necessary to involve God in studying the universe
Not when I use it.

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#572389 Dec 12, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
The light from a candle is not meaningless because the candle is eventually blown out.
God Himself wrote:
But when all the world that the candle is in will dissolve into non-existence; the world, the light, the candle and even the person who lighted it are meaningless.
Jeez you are bleak fellow. Your philosophy is very dark indeed. You will die never having been a citizen of our universe, always waiting for death and the supernatural bus that you were promised would take you away and give your life meaning at last. How pathetic is that?

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#572390 Dec 12, 2012
God Himself wrote:
Why cant you people see that the thing which you are referring to as mythical and magical and supernatural IS NOT what other people hold to be God.
I think it is.
God Himself wrote:
People may describe God using those terms (mythical and magical and supernatural etc), but those terms may also be applied to the description of ice cream and massages and food.
Except that I can demonstrate ice cream. That's a big difference.
God Himself wrote:
Get it through your skull: YOUR IMPRESSION OF GOD IS FORMED FROM FAIRY TALES
That's what I would say about yours. You call the fairy tales your bible.
God Himself wrote:
SOME PEOPLE GET THEIR IMPRESSIONS OF GOD FROM EXPERIENCE.
That doesn't make them valid. Schizophrenics get their impressions from experience - the experience of delusions and hallucinations. So what?

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#572391 Dec 12, 2012
God Himself wrote:
it is scientific principle that a science cannot be based on a negative.
Nonsense.

You probably should know that we don't take our scientific instruction from amateurs in science, most especially Christians ones. Your antiscientific agenda is well known.

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#572392 Dec 12, 2012
Laconic Assassins wrote:
You simply point out how science constantly falls flat and fails.
Another science hater compliments of Jesus, Inc.

Your church selfishly attempts to undermine confidence in science at great cost to the nation. One way is by rendering it more vulnerable to the manufactured doubt industry that is helping to pave the way for catastrophic global warming despite the warnings of climate scientists.

"You stare into your high definition plasma screen monitor, type into your cordless keyboard then hit enter which causes your computer to convert all that visual data into a binary signal that’s processed by millions of precise circuits, which is then converted to a frequency modulated signal to reach you wireless router where it is then converted to light waves and sent along a large fiber optics cable to be processed by a super computer on a mass server which then sends that bit you typed to a satellite orbiting the earth that was put there through the greatest feats of engineering and science, all so it could go back through a similar pathway to make it all the way here to my computer monitor 15,000 miles away from you just so you could say,“Science is all a bunch of man made hogwash.”- anon.

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#572393 Dec 12, 2012
God Himself wrote:
You must be a fool.

You are an ass-hole.
Tell us more about that promised "peace that passeth all understanding" and those "fruits of the spirit." How can I tap into them, too?

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#572394 Dec 12, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
choose which side of the homosexual and evolutionary war you're gonna fight for and then fight all the way, but don't think you can be accepted in both camps:)
The homosexual and evolutionary war? Is that like the French and Indian War?

Why is your church at war with gay people and science? In so doing, it makes itself a societal burden and an enemy to those of us who love people, harmony, and knowledge.

Your church is hateful and destructive. What does it offer us in return for that societal burden that we might be convinced to help you to preserve it rather than cheer its demise?

Since: Jul 11

Fremont, CA

#572395 Dec 12, 2012
I met GOD in ate 1981.He lived on Stella st.I was the manager of a garadge door Co.God had a goat that was his carpenter.His goat blew-up the new door and I put in a new one.When I was done he sent me across the street for two more new doors with oppeners.Hopefully he will read this as he is the only one who could verrify this other than me.

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#572396 Dec 12, 2012
stupid talk

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#572397 Dec 12, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
I genuinely love people. All people. I genuinely love God. But somewhere in the middle is the struggle. I am being asked to choose sides. Keep one and discard the other. I'm being asked to place value on half my brothers and sisters and damn the others.
You've nicely summarized the divisiveness and warring that characterizes the church.

I wrote a post to you yesterday that I didn't send because I thought that it might be too hurtful to you. But I'll post it now, and hope that you understand :

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Al Garcia wrote:
If I may take this a just a step further Karl, is there a good Christian in your point of view, that can project a Good and loving God?
There are a lot of good Christians. They don't project a god to me, though. They project the human spirit unsullied by their religion.

Look at you - an excellent Christian. Why? In my opinion, it's because you have rejected more of Christianity than most other Christians. This was also true of Christian spiritual geniuses like John Spong and Alan Watts, both ordained Christians.

The most prominent aspects of the god your church projects is ugly. It's all about sin, blame, superstition, judgment, punishment, and the like. It usually manifests as lying, threats of damnation, attacks on science, endless revisionism, specious apologetics, and attacks on atheists and gays. Most of us are repulsed by that "god."

You reject that. You reject most of your religion as other Christians typically practice it, As a result, you are closer in spirit to what we are than to the typical Christian. This is why you are so well accepted by the skeptics and why your fellow Christians despise you. It's also why you're a better person than they are.

What I am saying is that the less you have to do with that church and its culture, the better a person you are.

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I was reluctant to tell you that what I like about your Christianity is that you reject so much of it - at least as it is actually rendered in America. It's an ugly religion, Al, at least as it is generally practiced in America. What makes you better is rejecting most of it.

Sorry, I don't like saying that to you.
Al Garcia wrote:
I firmly believe that -we must learn to live together as brothers or perish as fools. There is a right way to live together rather than dwell on adversity.
Other Christians are angry that you won't fight the Homosexual And Evolution Wars. Humanists support your choice.

Since: Jul 11

Fremont, CA

#572399 Dec 12, 2012
winfredable wrote:
stupid talk
You accually thought that the message was for you.

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