Prove there's a god.

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THE ULTIMATE REALITY & THE LIMITATIONS OF SCIENCE & RELIGION:

1) Religion or science cannot get at the ultimate reality that underlies the gradations of the universal manifestation since each of these disciplines clutches at a few manifested aspects and takes those to be the ultimate reality.

2) Science cannot define or get at the state of absolute rest or the grand unified force on the physical plane and will forever be deluded by its inferential bits of surface knowledge.

3) Religion cannot perceive the absolute reality that exceeds name and namelessness, form and formlessness, attribution and non-attribution, mutability and immutability and existence and non-existence and will forever remain content with its cursing, abusive, talking, smiling, fuming, threatening, megalomanical, egoistic, barbaric, sectarian, sadistic and murderous gods.

4) The ultimate reality is pure existence in which the subtlest ranges of consciousness and energy are so intimately involved in each other that they're indistinguishable and unmanifest and nothing of the manifested aspects of the unified field of consciousness-energy remains - motion and rest, subtle and gross, name and namelessness, form and formlessness, attribution and non-attribution, mutability and immutability, existence and non-existence are alien to this ultimate state of pure existence.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Bye, boyz. Later.

(smiles)

“I started out with nothing”

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JOEL wrote:
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So, how do you define nothing?
What nothing?

The vacuum nothing, completely evacuated of air, dust etc that photons pass easily through, that gravity exists in?

or complete nothing in which photons and gravity and other fundamental particles cannot exists?

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God Himself wrote:
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If a place is a central location; is the path to that place accessible form only one direction, or is it possible to approach a single location from various directions (east, west north, south...)?
If ten men surround an external object and take a look at it they will all see different images of that same object; but does that mean their perception is false because the impressions they get vary? The images formed in their minds differ, but are they not all looking at the same object; though some may see that one side is rough and the others see that the other side is smooth?
That idea you posted is as invalid as the idea that man's perception of an external object is false if they look at it from more than one perspective. Does changing the angle from which you view a building mean any of your perception from previous angles were false or irrational?
The fact that each reader receives a different meaning suggests that God is multifaceted and that He has many different attributes/potentials which may be appealed to separately.
You and Robert Green Ingersoll should go kiss each other.
define reality

and

to what extent do you "think" that reality is shared?

when you and I look at the same object (from different perspectives) and for me the object is ruff and for you the object is smooth,--- if we were to change places, will our perception then reflect that of the other? or does it remain as it was? Is the object, in reality, smooth on one side and ruff on the other, or is one of us damaged in our perspective? and finally if the last is true, that is "one of us is wrong" how do we determine the truth?

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God Himself wrote:
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Great!
But why drag me into an unrelated argument, wasting my time?
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There is no Christian God you clown; there is only the Christian (or Muslim or Jewish bla bla bla) perception of God.
It is the Christian's perception of God that is flawed; that which is , is God flawless in and of itself.
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I have no interest in authoritarian religions. There is no need to be interested in any religion here, they have no bearing on nor relationship to the topic "Prove there's a God". God exists independently of religion and biblical scripture.
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That enthusiasm is meaningless and futile; it will return from to the dust from whence it came with no hopes of revival or being "Salvaged". All your enthusiasm and virtue is part and parcel of a meaningless existence and you have science to prove it.
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What hope do you see for the future: the hope that life and the universe will grind to a halt and dissolve back into absolute nothingness and chaos?
You must be dreaming. LOL!
do you believe that your fears and hopes create reality, or create gods?

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm sorry. I was being irrational.
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Its the other way around actually, if you think about it.
I am a projection of God's Psyche. God is projecting; I am a reflection of His Projection in the physical plane. Notice it was written "Let us make man in our image" [Genesis]?
TRY to think about it: if in the beginning there was nothing but God, then things can exist nowhere except inside of God, His mind. The material world may be seen as a consolidation of His thoughts...
But wait, what am I trying to explain to you? Why am I trying to explain a thing such as that to you? Explaining to you is like me teaching a pigeon to play chess... depressing.
that is amusing apologetic

it is all smoke and mirrors

if you are going to construct a belief why adopt the filthy abrahamic god?

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SchoolandUniversity wrote:
god is everywhere and god doesn't need to prove himself. he comes when the human needs. When human loses the hope god come to support them. Many scientists and doctors also rely on gods. Some questions can not be answered but still we have to believe.
what compels us to believe?

a hollow drum makes noise when struck

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<quoted text> Oh, evolution goes back only more than 100 YEARS?? And how long has religion gone back?? Imean, seriously, do you honestly think this evolution craze the world is going thru now, will last any more than, say, another 100 years from now?? Religion has lasted and stood the test of time.....for THOUSANDS of YEARS. So there MUST be SOMETHING valid in what religion has brought to the world, otherwise it would not have survived this long.
the propensity to belief, is an evolutionary adaptation, the function appears as a support of tribalism, an assist in creating (and delineating) community. Religion assists in the formation of culture and common morality. There is every reason to think we are evolving away from "belief" as social construct.

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BadBreathBruce wrote:
<quoted text> For the atheist: SHORT TERM GAIN, LONG TERM PAIN. For the Christian: SHORT TERM PAIN, LONG TERM GAIN. Death is only the BEGINNING.
may you receive the afterlife you deserve, soonest.

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JOEL wrote:
MAHATMA GANDHI was BISEXUAL - more gay than straight. Gandhi had a torrid love affair with HERMANN KALLENBACH - a wealthy German-Jewish bachelor (an architect and body-builder by profession). The two met in South Africa and lived together in the same house for 2 years. Scores of racy letters exchanged by the lovers were recently purchased by the Government of India from the British auction house, Sothebys, for 700,000 British Pounds. Gandhi left his wife, Kasturba, for Kallenbach.
that is not a measure of the man or of his belief structure, only of his sexual proclivities, and as long as the other individual was an adult, there need not be negative judgement. Did he take as a wife a nine year old bride?--- if true, that presents problems.

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JOEL wrote:
MUSINGS:
1) Cause should be at least a great as the effect in terms of information content.
2) Effect is nothing else but the cause in partial or complete manifestation.
3) Creation from nothing is a falsehood.
you have created this philosophy, whole cloth, from nothing.

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SchoolandUniversity wrote:
Positive thinking gives you positive energy. If you finding god others then you wrongs. People should see the god in others and our self too.
people need to display the god qualities they harbor.

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God Himself wrote:
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No.
You demonstrate illiteracy.
Have you not read the analogies I used?
I am trying to say that what you see or how you perceive is relative to your position, and more often than not, your disposition also.
I am saying that whatever can do all things, will be whatever you want it to be. While God is that which is Omnipotent, He has all potentials that one attributes to Him; good, bad, ugly, creative, destructive...
Can you reason?
Can you exercise critical thinking?
Does the fact that electrons only appear as particles when they are observed (please refer to double slit experiment) mean they are anything you decide they are or imagine them to be?
are the attributes of the god the same for all who perceive him, or are the attributes of the god unique to each person who perceives the god?

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God Himself wrote:
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I tend to agree.
Quantum physics reveals that entities which are basic building blocks of the natural world such as electrons, are responsive to thoughts.
Therefore they may have been influenced to form structures by a type of mental process; it may also suggest that the universe itself is a type of mind on another level.
that is a trivial understanding,

and one driven by confirmation bias

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Greens - Tuf wrote:
OK so now we have contact.
Our two hearts have come together. Now as non destructive energy it will not destroy it self, it will create standing points between both hearts and it will separate,the energy has time to think , so it separates and becomes a particle. A nest is formed between both hearts and the energy from both vortexes (hearts) pours in infinitly.
Inside this nest is the starting point for particles, this is where the atom is made.
And it is nothing but energy.
you should write a book
start a religion
collect tithes

run from the men behind you with the nets

“Michin yeoja”

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karl44 wrote:
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I was thinking of a donut.

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JOEL wrote:
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NOTHING cannot be defined and it does not exist except as a meaningless word.
A) Outer space contains photons, dark matter/energy (?) and weak gravitational forces.
B) We always think in terms of something.
C) Consciousness and its innate energy component - the basis of the universe - can be reduced to subtle states but they can neither be created nor destroyed and so they cannot be reduced to nothing.
if you took a container, and removed from it all energies, and added your god,

that would be nothing

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JOEL wrote:
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So, how do you define nothing?
the absence of everything

you did just define everything did you not?

“let's do this thang!”

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Fallacies in this post brought to you by Kellogg's Crusty Flakes.
Argument from ignorance.
Appeal to popularity.
Ad hominem.
oh there's nothing popular with this world about being close with God even around 'church folk', pal, just try it once. you're the coward who's living in faux/temporary safety.

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