Prove there's a god.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572533 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Don't you Christians tell us that your god wants to be known and loved very much? If so, it was extremely shrewd of such a god to go into hiding, give man the faculty of reason and doubt, fail to answer prayer whenever it is studied scientifically, write a bad bible, and stock the world with stratified fossils and nested hierarchies of molecular and anatomical structures.
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Your thinking is inscrutable to me. This reasoning is so tortured as to be unintelligible. Oppression is hiding from me, and then sending me to hell for being fooled.
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A second ago, I was told that being shown your god would be oppressive. Apparently, that was expedient then.
Now, you depict the god as being as obvious as water to a horse dragged to a watering hole so that you can blame me for not accepting the claim that it exists. That's expedient now.
Typical for apologetics.
"When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense”- Edward Abbey
The Chief Servant of God (Jesu) said "This is the work of God; that you believe on Him and Whom He has Sent".

Your Christians may have told you that their "god wants to be known and loved very much"; did I tell you that?

On the note of God "hiding": for God (Omnipotence) to be revealed to a man would be like connecting the man to a 200000000000000 volt circuit and then just flipping the switch on... not very healthy.

God does not hide as such; he is in a state that is compatible with our material existence in His Presence.

I say that "one can lead a horse to water etc" because men have to capacity to evaluate and calculate things that are far removed from a range that his physical senses can detect.

We have the mental capacity to appreciate the reality of God; but if you fail to use yours to appreciate Him, what should we/He do, burn you at the stake?

The best way to dispose of an unresponsive element is to let its unresponsiveness exclude it from the progressive influences. Go on not giving a f*&k; you'll get rid of yourself for us that way.

Since: Jun 12

Birmingham, AL

#572534 Dec 12, 2012
Apocalypse666 wrote:
Come on and do it.
Prove there's a god.
Don;t read off scripture or anything like that just prove there's a god.
It is simple. Every creation must have a creator. Have you seen anything that created automatically or no one or nothing behind that creation? I think No.. So we all are creation from a creator.

Can you create anything? No, you can only change appearance in a simple environment.

Where you come from? you will say that from your Fa and Ma than go subsequently previous generation. What will come? where come from first human?
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572535 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You seem frustrated. You seem committed to calling the lives of those who won't validate your choices meaningless.
As I've said, your philosophy is not appealing at all. It's not healthy. It's dead on a cross.
If taht is the case, then That which died o nthe cross has resurrected itself in your sciences:

"Some people think that the sciences can stand apart from philosophy, that the scientist should actually avoid philosophising, the latter often being understood as groundless and generally vague theorising. If the term philosophy is given such a poor interpretation, then of course anyone would agree with the warning "Physics, beware of metaphysics!" But no such warning applies to philosophy in the higher sense of the term. THE SPECIFIC SCIENCES CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BREAK THEIR CONNECTIONS WITH TRUE PHILOSOPHY." [http://www.marxists.org/refer ence/archive/spirkin/works/dia lectical-materialism/ch01-s04. html]

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572536 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Don't need to. They speak for themselves. And they make you look like the one who is skewing words. The words "day," "morning." and "evening" all appear in the same sentence, and you insist that that can mean any amount of time at all.
Your contrived and severely contorted answers make you look ridiculous. Let's see it again: Your god rested on the seventh of seven days and commanded you to do the same. How long are you to rest?
[a] A day
[b] A thousand years; they're the same to the Lord
[c] An era or epoch
1. A day
2. A thousand years.

Don't misinterpret, the Bible says:

A day is like a thousand years
A thousand years is like a day

God "resting" on the 7th day isn't literal, either. It's an example for us to rest on the 7th day & use that day to honor God.

Get a grip, duder.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#572537 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Absolute or relative morality, which is it?
Moral essence allows one to distinguish between right and wrong. My conduct or character, will produce the absolute of morality, be it good or bad.
Absolute morality can be determined by what I do, even if it is not what I want to do.
Absolute morality tells me to do a thing just because ... Speaking of good morals, no matter what the situation, "absolute" will cause me to take the "relative" facts of morality and respond without reservation.
"I find a law, that, when I would do good, evil is always present with me." Romans 7:21, Apostle Paul.
Desiring to do good is relative. Performing the good or right is absolute.
Morality - Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.- Behaviour as it is affected by the observation of these principles.

There is no absolute or relative nor is any religion involved, morality is predominantly a human trait (although not exclusively) and it has certainly been around for long before christianity. Without it civilisation would not have flourished.

However I really did think you would come up with some religious titbit, so funny that you quote Saulus who assisted in the capture of Judas the Galilean, better known to you as Jesus. Would you consider assisting in the capture of a murderous terrorist as moral? Or would you consider the capture of your lord and saviour as moral?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572538 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Evolution doesn't speak to abiogenesis. Yes, all life is related, ultimately to one population of replicators, then single celled organisms. You can see that in the shared genetics the above categories have - some of the genes, some of the metabolism overlap. None of the mutations, though.
Even still, the theory of evolution doesn't explain how life arose. The theory of abiogenesis doesn't explain, or purport to explain, how genes in gene pools change over time.
"Evolution doesn't speak to abiogenesis."

But evolution says that ALL life evolved from ONE single cell organism...

Evolution & abiogenesis are interconnected.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572539 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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That's true. Santa is a lie told only to children.
The resurrection is a lie told to anyone who will listen. I pity the believers.
The reurrection isn't a lie, who told you that?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#572540 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Hide behind the religion of atheism?
Naaaaaaw.......
Are you saying all priests are atheists?

Since when did non belief in a deity become a religion? Come on I am eager to hear you explanation for your stupid comment

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572541 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Don't be so put out. I didn't question your patriotism.
The first comment you responded to reminded you that Europeans wiped out the native Americans. Your comment said you didn't care. That's a might makes right comment, an "ends justifies the means" comment. Your "I don't care" means "I don't want to know the repercussions of history, the lessons we need to learn, why our world is as it is.
I'm sorry you fail to realize this.
No, silly. I said nothing of history except for my own - my family lineage, nothing more.

Don't read into it.

I don't care where my ancestors came from. Because they had ancestors & their ancestors had ancestors, ad infinitum.

I understand what Europeans did to the Indians. I've read plenty of history books. That doesn't pertain to me personally, though.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572542 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, that's what you'd do if you were a small penised heterosexual who couldn't get off from a vagina.
lol

even stephen
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572543 Dec 12, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You can answer these questions yourself, too, and maybe (a BIG maybe) you'll get some perspective.
But I don't hold out much hope for someone that wants to call himself "god". A person like you has already crossed the crazy bridge into BALALALALALALALALALALand!
Let's take your ice cream exampl: If ice cream can have so many different flavors, why can't "god"?
After all, we can say "we believe in god" but confict begins if it's the "wrong" god (different from somebody else's "god").
But humans don't go to war and kill people over ice cream, like they do over the idea of a "god", do they?
No.
Dude, you're not even making sense to yourself.
No wonder your crazy @ss is locked up! It's where you belong!
Religion is no different from science; both spell disaster when the wrong people get involved.

The expression "humans don't go to war and kill people over ice cream, like they do over the idea of a "god", do they" is a joke.

None of the things you are talking about have anything to do with the existence of God.

You keep referring to morality, as if morality has anything to do with existence in and of itself. Get a grip man.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572544 Dec 12, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Sometimes you should.
I hold spiders in my hand. I let them rest in my hair.
My classmates think I'm weird. Go figure.
Attagirl.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572545 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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your perspective is limited by your intellect
your ego, may encompass all of that which you consider reality, but I live and find meaning independent of your ego.
and to be clear
neither your ego nor your god need, create or define a god.
You also live and find meaning independent of scientific fact which you so vehemently defend.

Does that make you a liar, a fool, a hypocrite or just a f&$king retard?

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572546 Dec 12, 2012
JOEL wrote:
JESUS ADVOCATED VIOLENCE, SECTARIANISM & FANATICISM:
i can understand the naked violence and bloodshed and hatred and sectarianism indulged in by YHVH, the Hebrew pagan deity. But, for the exalted Prince of Peace, Jesus, to exhibit bigotry and advocate violence is a big shock:
1)“36…… and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
- Luke, 22/36
2) Christ also declared in the New Testament (Matthew, 10/34) that he has come not for peace but to wield a sword.
3) Jesus also says in another chapter of the New Testament (John, 15/6) that one who does not seek shelter in him, will be thrown like a withered branch of tree fit to be burnt in fire.
4) Christ categorically says in the New Testament (Mark, 16/16) that he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved, while he who does not believe (in Christ and Christianity) shall be damned.
5)“27. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke, 19/27
What kind of a Prince of Peace was Jesus? LOL.
do you really think you can sell that hype simply by extracting snippets of scriptures out of context? how deceitful you are.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572547 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Do you know the word "materteral"? It's the female counterpart of avuncular.
No, I'd not come across that one. Thanks!

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#572548 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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they celebrate the same pagan day as do we, they merely lie about the reason to celebrate.
most of them have no idea, at all, that their god was born in the image of a sun god.
This I know and this is what I am trying to get RR to understand. I know, I know, an impossible task but I am willing to try

The history of their god can be traced back through the exodus to Amenhotep IV
(Akhenaten) and his worship of the Aten (Ra), the sun god and you are quite correct, most o them have no idea.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#572549 Dec 12, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I had to google the story as your link only gave me a page with a lot of advertising and titles on it, but I did find the ABC story. It seems Ballard thinks he can prove, which others have already believed, that a major flood did occur in the Black Sea area, which could have been caused by an increase in water levels which caused the water to rush into the Black Sea area or generally the area of the Bible stories, burying towns etc, in that area.
Ballard believes that this might then "prove" that the story of Noah's Flood was based on legends about a real flood which covered a small part of a small part of the earth.
Some of the above was put into my own words for lack of memory of what I read.
Ballard is not going to prove that Noah's Flood actually occurred nor is that his intention. He just wants to see if the myth was based on a real flood of a smaller area, which, I thought, has already been proved anyway.
We still know from lots of other archeological and geological findings, and through scientific calculations that the Noah's Flood did not ever occur on the planet Earth after life started here. The earth at some point in the beginning may have all been molten so at that time it would have been 'flooded' with molten metals, etc.
again if you are able to watch the 2 part program on ABC Dec 28th you just might learn somethings you weren't aware of.

Since: May 09

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#572550 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO, the atheist defines the theist.....
Nice.
Except you're wrong.
I'm not wrong.

Every belief you have concerning your deity is based upon the bible.

Without the bible you would not have your deity belief.

The bible is a book of myth.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#572551 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Moron.
It's completely realated. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related.
Which, as you were told, has bugger-all to do with abiogenesis.

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#572552 Dec 12, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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The article doesn't say his discoveries prove a world wide flood.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-sug...
It does say Ballard is attempting to prove a world wide flood, but that the area he is looking at is thought to have been affected by a localized flood that occurred when the Mediterranean Sea flooded the Black Sea region. The shells and coral date to 5000BCE, but the oldest artifact he has discovered so far dates to 500BCE.
Additionally...
Here are some problems for the biblical "world wide" flood.
5th millennium BCE in North American history
http://en.wikipedia.org
List of archaeological periods (North America)
/wiki/List_of_archaeological_p eriods_%28North_America%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
5th millennium BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
Badari culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badari_culture
Merimde culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merimde
Those aren't all inclusive, and just represent a few if Ballard is trying to assert a 5000BCE date for the biblical flood.
<quoted text> The link you provided above does not link to the story you are speaking of.
Why do theists have such a difficult time copying links and pasting them properly?
There is no argument based on the archaeological evidence, unless you are an Abrahamic theist.
as i suggested to boots, you might want to watch the 2 part program on ABC Dec 28th at 9PM ET
you MIGHT learn some things you didn't know about.

He has already carbon dated things there to approx 5,000 BC which puts it at the time frame of Noah's flood.
He said the earth was covered in ice at one time.

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