Prove there's a god.

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#572513 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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they celebrate the same pagan day as do we, they merely lie about the reason to celebrate.
most of them have no idea, at all, that their god was born in the image of a sun god.
As early as the year 225, Hippolytus wrote of the celebration of Jesus' birth being on 12-25. Constantine may have made it official, but it was already occurring.

Pagans never celebrated Christmas prior to the establishment of Christmas as a feast day in the church year. Whatever they celebrated, it was NOT Christmas.

For all you athitards who are stating what pagans did as though it is a fact -- where, exactly, is your evidence? Are you just going on what you think is so because you heard it somewhere?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#572514 Dec 12, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You may not get angry, but you do sound stupid.
You will get bit or stung, then die from the venom.
"...and nothing will by any means hurt you" Jesus

we in the business of putting hurt on devils;)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572515 Dec 12, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
the fact slavery is equally as valid as poicies against slavery since it is humans who determine right and wrong in a world absent God.

If we can own dogs then we can own people.

Atheism reduces people to the level of big brained animals. Nothing more since it could be argued insects are more adapted and stronger than humans.
You Christians seem to have no concept of what our lives are really like, or what it's like to mature without the influence of religion. You show no compassion, just a fear of judgment and retribution. I can tell by what many of you keep telling us what we must certainly think, like in the comments above.
lightbeamrider wrote:
Anti slavery only makes sense if human rights are derived from an ultimate Authority which holds us accountable for how we treat each other.
Not to me, nor to most of the rest of the skeptics with humanist values posting here. Opposing slavery makes obvious sense in a godless universe, but apparently not if you grow up believing in a god. It's really hard to believe that you don't know better.

Somebody I was posting with recently didn't know where to find meaning or purpose in his life without a god belief. Others imply that they don't know why they wouldn't kill without constant supervision from space.

You have missed out on so much of what I would call an authentic human experience. Christian morality and Christian spirituality typically tend to be underdeveloped, which is ironic given how you seem to assume that you have the monopoly on both.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#572516 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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god appears to the uneducated
the unitelligent
god appears to the immoral
we do see what is going on there
you seem VERY educated; regarding the peeing habits of men in public restrooms;)
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572517 Dec 12, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
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That makes no sense at all..... if you say I'll contact you.... Does it matter if its e-mail, phone, smoke signal. It's the same thing technology has just increased distances. Same meaning different implication.
What is the relevance of that to the argument that I was engaged in?
Somali Pirate wrote:
<quoted text>
Or are you trying to use the say Inquisition. Where people were to tortured in the name of your god??? Same meaning different implication???
Hint: stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room, you verbose replies make no sense.
How is that related to anything that I have said?

If you dont understand what I am saying, ask for an explanation; dont add your garbage to what you think I might be saying.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#572518 Dec 12, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Unfortunately, you were the result of your mother's bleeding 25% of every month.
You should have been flushed in one of your mom's tampons.
you would have liked that cuz then there'd be less of us to bind unclean spirits and cast them into the abyss;)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572519 Dec 12, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your disdain for slavery does not change the fact slavery was universal in the ancient world. Nor does it address the fact slavery is equally as valid as poicies against slavery since it is humans who determine right and wrong in a world absent God. Your disdain carries no real weight other than your opinion. If we have no souls and there is no accountability since there is no existence post death then people can come to a different conclusion than do you when it comes to slavery. If we can own dogs then we can own people. Anti slavery only makes sense if human rights are derived from an ultimate Authority which holds us accountable for how we treat each other. That we all have unalienable rights which cannot be denied without severe consequences in a court of no appeal. Atheism reduces people to the level of big brained animals. Nothing more since it could be argued insects are more adapted and stronger than humans.
It was not universal in the ancient world. Such belies your misunderstanding of history.

And, even if it was, a perfectly moral being would not condone slavery merely because His Creations, who in your religion are fallen and less than perfect, use slavery.

Seriously, that is the worst argument you could make. That's the "if a human jumps off a cliff, God should too" anti-motherly argument. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to follow other people's examples of immoral behavior?

Further, you are arguing against your own religion here. You are claiming above that morality is human, not absolute. Sure, I can agree with that. As such we contemporary humans, with our vast knowledge of history, our sciences of human thought, emotion, philosophy, suffering and pain, and our laws and concept of human rights, understand what it means to be moral a great deal more than any of the elite cared to bother with in the past.

You've damned yourself in your argument by distancing yourself from your religion, which argues for an absolute morality (while presenting a contradictory front of endorsing slavery) from which humans draw their own, to presenting an argument where human morality is subjective, changing with the times.

That's not a problem from my position. I don't hold that there are any deities. I neither hold that there is a perfect being from which we draw our morality. However, I believe we can know what misery, suffering, happiness and fulfillment are and seek out those qualities through society.

Christianity clearly does not present a path of morality of the greatest good for the greatest number of people. It requires subservience, obedience to a strange set of rules - some sexual, some regarding food that its followers pay more or less adherence to, depending on historical forces.

We need a better moral and ethical position than religion can provide - whatever the religion. You all fail. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever. You're all from the past and you all preach atrocity.

To quote your religion: "Get behind me, Satan!"

Your time is past.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572520 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. And I resent that attitude from the Christians about my species. I resent them spreading such filth about us. To them, we are fatally flawed and of no good whatsoever. According to the Christians, man has only ever created one thing: sin. We brought that into the universe.
We are told that we were born in debt, worthless, and worthy of suffering without some sort of purification first. Without a god, our lives are immoral, meaningless and without purpose. And on it goes. Our very substance - flesh - isn't so much spoken as spat out. Christian misanthropy is a deep pessimism for mankind.
If it were not other human beings saying these things about us, there would be war. If a second intellectual and verbal species evolved on earth, or colonized earth from elsewhere, and they spoke about humanity like that, they would be as despised. So why not rebuke the sickening church and religion that says those very same things for the same reason?
Every human being should reject and resent that. I don't expect the Christians to do so, but shouldn't the rest of us? Shouldn't we denounce such speech the way we would similar comments about the worth of women, gays, seniors, or blacks?
I think it's becoming increasingly in our power to define societal standards regarding what is acceptable to say about mankind and what is acceptable to say about atheists. I don't care for the choices that the Christians have made in either of these areas.
It's past time we put such outdated concepts behind us. Time to say good bye to archaic, immoral, uneducated, ignorant philosophies.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572521 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You can skew the words in Genesis all you want so long as it makes the Bible look wrong, huh?
Don't need to. They speak for themselves. And they make you look like the one who is skewing words. The words "day," "morning." and "evening" all appear in the same sentence, and you insist that that can mean any amount of time at all.

Your contrived and severely contorted answers make you look ridiculous. Let's see it again: Your god rested on the seventh of seven days and commanded you to do the same. How long are you to rest?

[a] A day
[b] A thousand years; they're the same to the Lord
[c] An era or epoch

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Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572522 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Darwin's theory is unrelated to the pathway of abiogenesis.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Moron.
It's completely realated. Darwin's Theory of Evolution is the widely held notion that all life is related and has descended from a common ancestor: the birds and the bananas, the fishes and the flowers -- all related.
Evolution doesn't speak to abiogenesis. Yes, all life is related, ultimately to one population of replicators, then single celled organisms. You can see that in the shared genetics the above categories have - some of the genes, some of the metabolism overlap. None of the mutations, though.

Even still, the theory of evolution doesn't explain how life arose. The theory of abiogenesis doesn't explain, or purport to explain, how genes in gene pools change over time.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572523 Dec 12, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
The only difference between belief in Santa and Jesus is that most adults acknowledge that the former is a lie told only to children.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup. And ost adults know the latter is the truth.
That's true. Santa is a lie told only to children.

The resurrection is a lie told to anyone who will listen. I pity the believers.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572524 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
That's called special pleading. Everything else is subject to laws that you need to have apply to justify your god's, including the universe itself, except your god, who you also need to have excused from these laws. If those rules are valid, then let it be the singularity or the multiverse that needs no cause...
Is it special pleading?

Is man subject to the algorithms used in programming; or does he use them for the sake of convenience?

Cause and effects is only a means used by God to "interphase" or interact with the natural world.

God himself is independent of the physical world therefore He is not subject to the laws of the physical world (cause and effects).

Thats not special pleading; its common observation and critical thinking.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572525 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
WTF?
Where'd you come up with the "might makes right" BS based off of my response?
I AM proud to be American.
Don't be so put out. I didn't question your patriotism.

The first comment you responded to reminded you that Europeans wiped out the native Americans. Your comment said you didn't care. That's a might makes right comment, an "ends justifies the means" comment. Your "I don't care" means "I don't want to know the repercussions of history, the lessons we need to learn, why our world is as it is.

I'm sorry you fail to realize this.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#572526 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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religion promotes tribalism
we can do better, and we shall.
here's how it's gonna go, karl:

the peeps who don't like God will eventually band together under a smooth talking world renoun politician. he will be everything to everyone in the beginning of his prominence and deceive even the foolish christians. when he gets enough power & no longer needs the people groups he hates (Jews and Christians specifically), he will turn on them, incarcerating and killing them. however, the whole world will be going through an upheavil like never before in every way immaginable. God will use this time to bring the world to a clear decision (aka armegeddon); choose God or the devil/antichrist. this will only last a few years until God brings it to a screeching hault through judgement.

i'm not at all confused about this, karl. now, you don't hafta be either....

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572527 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Spit on me? lol
If I was an atheist, I'd spit on your butthole just before poking it.
No, that's what you'd do if you were a small penised heterosexual who couldn't get off from a vagina.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572528 Dec 12, 2012
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
you are far too kind
evolution gives us empathy and ethics, religion removes them and replaces them with xenophobia, paranoia, and christian morals.
RR is merely a (buck based) troll, but he does well represent the vile, ugly, failed morality that is christianity.
Hey, thanks.

I see religion as a product of evolution. It cannot be otherwise.

RR's not quite like Buck. Buck had a charming sense of humor, RR has a different, drunken sense of humor. RR seems to understand evolution better than Buck. Buck seems to understand some parts of philosophy and religion better than RR.

In my opinion.

How're you doing, Karl?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#572529 Dec 12, 2012
Ok, cheers.

Since: Oct 07

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#572530 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wrong?
Like what?
A few things... One of them that I can think of right now is that the bible states that a rabbit chews it's cud.
Flagler Beach

Lincoln, AL

#572531 Dec 12, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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LOL. "Erections are actually Satan's boner demons possessing a man's penis."
I think we need to revisit the meaning of this scripture in the light of that revelation:
"Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan!" -
Matthew 16:23
You, too, Dick!
This is why I have no feelings of shame or remorse in the delight of knowing that human filth like you will burn eternally in a lake of fire.

Another reason is because of that Oregon atheist that went on a shooting rampage , exercising the teachings of the hate cult of atheism.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572532 Dec 12, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'll also bet that you don't know that in the context of Genesis, ereb & boqer translate into a "vision" that covers many years, not a literal day...
I doubt it.

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