JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572085 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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if you took a container, and removed from it all energies, and added your god, that would be nothing.
If you empty a container of all its contents, the material of the container (metal, plastic, wood etc) would still remain and don't forget that air would rush in to take the place of the emptiness inside the container. Besides, the emptied or poured out material is not reduced to nothing since it would simply be displaced elsewhere in space-time.

LOL.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572086 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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But didn't look very far. Didn't you just post that you believe that your bible is or might be inerrant?
RiversideRedneck worte: "as we speak (so to speak), nobody can prove any inerrancy of the Bible."
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One can't help but notice that you only modify your indoctrination where it serves your preference to believe, as when calling biblical error "allegory" or "metaphor."
I'll bet that you're as fully indoctrinated in your antiscientific attitudes as you are in you are in your bold assertion that no errors have been found in your bible.
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Welcome to the Matrix.
You excell at not answering questions. You're a master dodger.

You seem unable to understand that allegorical/metaphorical doesn't mean false.

If I were to say that I'm so hungry I could eat a horse, that doesn't mean in lying about being hungry. I'm simply expressing that I'm very very hungry....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572087 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Yes, but where's the record that all life came from a common ancestor, as Darwin suggests.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's in the fossils and biochemistry, for starters.
LMAO!!!

That's it?

That all you've got?

"The fossils"?!?

Since: Jul 10

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#572088 Dec 11, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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You sound very wise!:-)
I told you I wasn't nice, but I do try.
When I see stuff like that I wish evil people would just have a heart attack and die. I really can't help what I feel. When I get in that state, I try to remember religious verses saying, "who can we call good and bad when we are all made by the perfect lord?" They calm me down again. It's so hard to believe and not believe, I just don't know!
I think it is our natural instinct to want to see some evil person die, but we humans attempt to rise above these basic instincts, partly because we can understand how we would feel if someone wanted to see us die, and we also would not enjoy the process of being killed, so why wish that on another. The fact that they have killed someone, doesn't justify our sinking to their level of morality and doing the same to them, IMO.

I even felt sorry for Saddam Hussein, whose actual hanging I saw several times on video, or Gaddafis murder, or Bin Laden's murder (his was an ordered murder as they had him overwhelmed - they chose, for some reason, to kill him rather than bring him back alive. With the expertise of the people who got to him, they could have got him without killing anyone. But they didn't do that.

These people were monsters, but once they are dead, they are just another dead body. Better to capture them and make them live for a few years having to think about what they have done to get them in that situation, then to take the easy way out of dying quickly.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572089 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Does that word refer to the Vaticinatin' Jehovah-Jesus? Every "God" is just "some god," whether you mean Nergal, Obatala, Aigle, Aglauros, Egle, Heget, Yun Dun, Väinämöinen, Varpulis, Chloris, Bilfrost, Big Head, or Jehovah-Jesus
It gets old having to ask each poster which god they mean by the word "God." Try to be a little less ambiguous.
All of you write like this is the first time you e heard of God.

Especially you.

You've benn arguing with me for a whole now. I've quoted the Holy Bible, commented on Jesus, commented on the Bible and you STILL ask; "What god"?!?

Quit being so childish.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572090 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Even if that were true, so what? Are you claiming that Congress and the president unanimously lied about their beliefs when they wrote that, "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"? The statement was true then and it is true today.
Yes, they lied. They wanted peace above all, just like toady.

They would've said anything to prevent another jihad.

Hence, article 11....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572091 Dec 11, 2012
christianity is EVIL wrote:
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evolution is a FACT
how it happens is a theory
www.talkorigins.org
can you prove god exists?
From your kiddie site:

"This brief essay presents a definition of evolution that is acceptable to evolutionists."

LMAO!!!

WTF is an acceptable definition for evolutionists? If your site was speaking truth, it would be acceptable for everyone.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572092 Dec 11, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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Dave says:
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I'm puttin my fiddy on the Dave thingy.
Fiddy?

Oh...(from the archives)

He may have fell into a trans-dimensional waringblendomagnetoplasmatic reverse clonal accelerator with paper clips as a focal accessory, if you will, and that might be his twin...

Or something like that

Fiddy?

Oh...
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572093 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You've benn arguing with me for a whole now. I've quoted the Holy Bible, commented on Jesus, commented on the Bible and you STILL ask; "What god"?!?

Quit being so childish.
Quoting from scripture does not corroborate the existence of god.

Most importantly, most portions in scripture are based on irrational assumptions.

The notion of the extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist god is pure fiction.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572094 Dec 11, 2012
QUESTION:

BELIEVERS,

What exactly, in terms of its material and force composition, is meant by the word "spirit"?

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#572095 Dec 11, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>something to think about.
http://wimp.com/humanrace/
I don't believe in coincidence. xD
Hold that thought! lol

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-human...

I see a date in this article that seems to correlate to the one in my former link. The Times article suggested that empathy appeared to have dipped the furthest in 2000; while this article mentions the Trade building attacks influencing students against belief in religion.

Many people would suggest that the lack of belief is influencing our youths' ability to feel empathy towards others. I suspect that our diet may play a part in hindering empathy. If faux food can damage the rest of our body then it's likely damaging our minds too.

Since: Jul 10

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#572096 Dec 11, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, so you were in Bali when the bombings happened. That must have been a traumatic time for you. My prayers and sympathy go out to all those lives lost in the bombings and to their families. Meanwhile, I hope no more quakes occur here in Christchurch, NZ.
No, I was there in late November and early December - I stated previously, 5 weeks after the bombing. Because tourism was almost nil when we were there (we heard one figure of only 10% of normal) due to the recent bombings, we had a wonderful, and very peaceful time. It is a beautiful place, beautiful people. We even participated in a large Hindu ceremony on the beach. As you probably know, Indonesia is mainly Muslim, but Bali is 90% Hindu. It was a bit somber to stand on the ruins of the night club where so many died, plus all the other completely demolished or partially demolished buildings in the area. The deaths were about 10 miles from where we stayed. There were at least 3 buildings completely gone, I think, and many more gutted or partially destroyed. It is so very cheap there too, or it was when we were there. Four of us ate all our main meals (except breakfast was provided) at restaurants and paid probably about what one person would pay in Canada for all 4. We had a taxi for 1/2 a day for about $15 US or so. We were there 10 days and I had 6 massages, which cost about $2 or $3 Canadian, but I often threw in another $3 or $4 dollars as tip because in many vacation places they cost $50 to $100 dollars, or more.

Because a friend of my spouse took us there on a business expense situation, as he does accounting work for some wealthy people in China, but lives in Canada, I don't know what the accommodations cost. We were also 5 nights in Hongkong which is very expensive.

Both places are great places to visit.

I think I paid about $2600 Canadian for the flights, because he had only arranged initially for himself, his wife, and my partner, to have their costs paid.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572097 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
HIGHLIGHT:
No involution, no evolution!
Looks like I need to call the temp service, this is - not - what the contract specified.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#572098 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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But there you go.
A theory cannot be proven.
So what is the value of supporting evidence if it does not prove the theory correct?
POEs are lame.

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#572099 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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people need to display the god qualities they harbor.
That explains Bob's idiocy well enough.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572100 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
Quoting from scripture does not corroborate the existence of god.
Quoting from an evolution book does not corroberate the existence of evolution.
Most importantly, most portions in scripture are based on irrational assumptions.


Like what?
The notion of the extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist god is pure fiction.
Prove it.

Since: Jul 10

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#572101 Dec 11, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
<quoted text> Oh, evolution goes back only more than 100 YEARS?? And how long has religion gone back?? Imean, seriously, do you honestly think this evolution craze the world is going thru now, will last any more than, say, another 100 years from now?? Religion has lasted and stood the test of time.....for THOUSANDS of YEARS. So there MUST be SOMETHING valid in what religion has brought to the world, otherwise it would not have survived this long.
Evolution has been discovered and known about for the last 100 years, and been verified for a great deal of that time, so it is 100 years that we have had evidence of the untruths in the Bible. Evolution itself goes back billions of years. Life has evolved since life first started on earth.

Actually the only test of time that religion has stood is that there was religion a long time ago, and today there is still religion, some of the same ones, and some new ones. Nothing in those religions, though, have passed any testing. Not even the most minute detail has ever been proved to be true.

That in itself, if we were looking at anything else that humans study, would pretty well discount it as being valid. Not proof mind you. But would we still be seeking unicorns or spaghetti monsters after thousands of years, since none have ever been seen? Likely there would be a few foolish enough to do so, but how much money would science put into such a venture?

I have always smiled when Patty has used up to 1000 times that "Christianity, or the Bible, has stood the test of time" argument. It has stayed around for 1800 years or so, but it hasn't passed any tests.

Since: Jul 10

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#572102 Dec 11, 2012
Aoh wrote:
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World war 2 and its hell and mass murder was created by competing governments with warmongering psychotic leaders, and race and ethnic hatreds and racism between competing nations.
Don,t go trying to blame God for mans own evil actions from his free will or the free will of his government.
I would never try to blame God for those thing, because, IMO, there are no gods. Hard to blame something on a non-existent thing. Religion played a big part in those wars, but that was because of people's warped ideas related to their beliefs, not to God.

Sine the main fighters, Germany and the Allied countries were all mainly christian, it would be kind of hard to say that God was involved, even if it did exist. If there is a god, and it was involved, then it has a peculiar sense of humor, or not.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572103 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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<quoted text>

Prove it.
Use the principle of causation to verify your belief in the existence of the extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist deity. You will discover that it cannot be done. Give it a try, the way i have asked you to do so.

Begin by defining the term "spirit" in terms of its material and force composition.

Then proceed to explaining how the basic materials - consciousness and energy - were fabricated by this god from nothing.

The tell us how consciousness and energy can be reduced to nothing.

Also explain how this god with no causal connection to the universe can sustain and govern the universe from his extra-cosmic lair.

Give the detailed mechanisms of all the stages involved and support your answers with sound reasonings and empirical proof, wherever possible.

Good luck.

(smiles)

“O'si yo!”

Since: Oct 12

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#572104 Dec 11, 2012
Boots:

today there was a news article on ABC news.

recapping an interview with Christiane Amanpour (news anchor) with a renowned and well know underwater Archaeologist ROBERT BALLARD. The same archaeologist who found and uncovered the famous Titantic.

He is on a mission to find proof of the Flood of Noah.
which he has.
using high tech Marine robotic technology in the black sea he and his team have uncovered an ancient shoreline some 400 ft below surface, and the carbon dating of the shells and coral date to 5000BC which is the approx time of Noahs flood.
His discoveries do prove a catcestrophic event of a world wide flood.

pay close attention.
There will be a 2 part serious called "Back to the begining" by Christian Amanpour with the Archaeologist on Dec 28th (friday) at 9PM ET on ABC

the site i read the news article on was
abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-b...
you can watch the news series yourself on it Dec 28 at 9 pm ET on ABC ....

so don't argue with me about it until AFTER you view the 2 part series for yourself.

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