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BadBreathBruce wrote:
Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie etc. All from RELIGION.
That's a pretty shabby set there. The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles. Four are about the god. One is to honor parents, and another to rest one day a week.

BTW, where did you get "Thou shalt not steal"? You stole it from the Jews, didn't you? And your church has done more than a bit of lying and killing over the years, too.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
How can any NEW MORALS be invented by the secularist fraternity to ADD to what religion has already established, huh??
Reversing the old ones that are flawed.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
In only a few short decades from now, you atheists will be the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY. But you DO have a CONSCIENCE ...
Yes. I'm glad that you asked. Did you see this? http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
BadBreathBruce wrote:
... that quietly tells you that there really is someone up in the heavens who made YOU and is worthy of your worship.
Oh. I thought that you meant an internal moral compass. Yours says please refer to the book, huh? No, I don't have that.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
EVERYONE has this conscience, even the most diehard atheist. You may not admit it NOW, or many years from now, but, eventually you will.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. My conscience tells me to steer clear of Christianity.
BadBreathBruce wrote:
Let's just hope and pray that you won't leave it till Judgment Day to FINALLY wake up to it. Oh, and BTW, God bless you!!
Thanks. And lets hope you cast off the chains of damnation theology and wake up before burial day. God-less you!!

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BadBreathBruce wrote:
Fiddlesticks.
Poppycock! Balderdash!

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. why do Fundamentalist Christians think abortion, homosexuality or stem cell research immoral yet support wars that result in the death of innocents and innocuously coin such fatalities 'collateral damage'? Isn't murder, ahh, murder? What's the difference ??..
who supports the death of innocents???

genocide and the mass murder of its citizens always comes from socialist/communist/atheistic regimes. more deaths in the last 100 years (since darwinism) then has been in all of history.

let's get the facts straight;)

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Our garden has a wall of bougainvillea.
OUCH!!

I hate those plants - just for the thorns!

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's a pretty shabby set there. The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles. Four are about the god. One is to honor parents, and another to rest one day a week.
BTW, where did you get "Thou shalt not steal"? You stole it from the Jews, didn't you? And your church has done more than a bit of lying and killing over the years, too.
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Reversing the old ones that are flawed.
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Yes. I'm glad that you asked. Did you see this? http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
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Oh. I thought that you meant an internal moral compass. Yours says please refer to the book, huh? No, I don't have that.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. My conscience tells me to steer clear of Christianity.
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Thanks. And lets hope you cast off the chains of damnation theology and wake up before burial day. God-less you!!
"The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles"

i wouldn't want you living anywhere near me, you God hating, lying, covetous, murdering, adultering, thief!
hah

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Davin wrote:
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maybe not apples but atoms? like as in atom bombs like in using nuclear bombs just to see what they could do? go read some history texts, the next world war will be that last world war
i'm pretty sure we're in the middle of WWIII right now, and have been for a while. I'm not going to deny that mankind can and most likely will destroy itself. God has nothing to do with that, though. The bible, sure, but not god.
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waaasssuuup wrote:
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"The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles"
i wouldn't want you living anywhere near me, you God hating, lying, covetous, murdering, adultering, thief!
So the only reason you have for not murdering, raping, stealing, etc, is because god said not to?

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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who supports the death of innocents???
genocide and the mass murder of its citizens always comes from socialist/communist/atheistic regimes. more deaths in the last 100 years (since darwinism) then has been in all of history.
let's get the facts straight;)
So you agree that the Bible is a work of fiction then? Excellent start. Baby steps, ya know?

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Dec 10, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
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So you agree that the Bible is a work of fiction then? Excellent start. Baby steps, ya know?
Carrion.
it's ridiculous to think that the Bible is fiction, hon, just look at the nation of Israel and all the believers in Christ to see that it's not!

if you have an ax to grind, how about we talk about the (lesbian) ax?:)

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Poppycock! Balderdash!
Monopoly! Connect Four!

I never played Poppycock.

Is that Milton Bradley or Parker Brothers?

The new Monopoly has moral hazards, bailouts, and no jail time.
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Dec 10, 2012
 
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From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god
God - A powerful ruler or despot.
Yes. And this is why genocidal cults of personality like Stalinism, Nazism, and Maoism with their harshly judgmental and authoritarian mortal gods are more properly categorized with Christianity and Islam than with gentle philosophies like secular humanism.
The mere fact that men who saw themselves as gods would deny that there were supernatural gods greater than themselves does not make their brutal cults of personality like secular humanism, which also rejects the god concept. Humanists are atheists for a completely unrelated reason, and pursue much more benign ideals and motiviations.
From the Affirmations of Humanism:
"We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others."
This type of thinking - a celebration of the individual and of the human spirit - is alien to Stalinism, Christianity, Nazism, Islam and Maoism. They all crack some kind of serious whip.
You have taken the argument completely out of context.

My justification was for calling myself a God; you are mentioning individuals who do not share my concept of God nor anything else. The fact that they may have seen themselves as gods, in no way implies that their godliness is similar to or related to my sense of godliness.

I find it rather conflicting that you "affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair", when you espouse a concept that implies that all existence is meaningless.

I see no reason to think that your referring to Humanism is anything but an attempt to escape the futility of the world you imagine in scientific thought.

The human spirit is celebrated by giving it a sense of direct relationship and connection with the Omnipotent? You just cant appreciate that because you lack the capacity or are otherwise unable to.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
waaasssuuup wrote:
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it's ridiculous to think that the Bible is fiction, hon, just look at the nation of Israel and all the believers in Christ to see that it's not!
if you have an ax to grind, how about we talk about the (lesbian) ax?:)
Fallacies in this post brought to you by Kellogg's Crusty Flakes.

Argument from ignorance.

Appeal to popularity.

Ad hominem.
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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What you seem to be overlooking is that unbelievers wouldn't be interested in the words or perspectives of anybody that isn't a god in a matter such as this. What kind of god lets humans add to and corrupt his message? A nonexistent one, that's what kind.
You can't sell skeptics on the authenticity of your bible and its allegedly perfect author with a book full of contradictions that you blame on human authors. Can you see that?
We have been through this before; the reality of God is independent of the value of the bible.

Would it have been better if man knew God directly instead of having to refer to a book?

It hardly seems so; use the natural world as an example. Even though we all experience it, we have different perceptions and interpretations of it.

So even if God was walking among us in the flesh or whatever form; there would still be ass-holes like you who find something to be sceptical about and doubt.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The Ten Commandments are really an embarrassing top ten list of important ethical principles. Four are about the god. One is to honor parents, and another to rest one day a week.

BTW, where did you get "Thou shalt not steal"? You stole it from the Jews, didn't you? And your church has done more than a bit of lying and killing over the years, too.
waaasssuuup wrote:
i wouldn't want you living anywhere near me
I don't think you need to worry about that.

As I said, your top ten list sucks, and all you can think of when told so is moving away from any source of criticism. You're well trained.

You seem to think that your list is godlike. I consider it less than humane. I can think of many things more deserving of a spot on the ten most important rules of behavior than honoring your parents and taking Sunday off. How about a nod to personal integrity - things like loyalty? Or courage? Or responsibility? Or compassion? Or justice? Or democracy? Or personal freedom?

None of them made your list. Instead,'honor your parents' did, whatever that means. Obey them? Throw them an awards banquet?

And take a day a week off made the list, I guess so you'll remember to come on in once a week with your wallet and get you a heaping helping of indoctrination. Why else would that be on the priests list of things you're commanded to do?

And of course a full forty percent - the first four of ten - are devoted to that infinite black hole of need, Jehovah. I don't see anything admirable there at all.

And you're afraid to live near me? You've got it backwards. We can build better neighbors than this.
waaasssuuup wrote:
you God hating, lying, covetous, murdering, adultering, thief!
But I loved my mother! And I take every Sunday off! And I never worship a graven image! How can I be bad?

Seriously, though - thanks for stepping up to the podium and showing us another example of your church's handiwork - another example of the people-making prowess of the people that bring you Jehovah-Jesus every week. Jesus is the potter.
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waaasssuuup wrote:
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it's ridiculous to think that the Bible is fiction, hon, just look at the nation of Israel and all the believers in Christ to see that it's not!
if you have an ax to grind, how about we talk about the (lesbian) ax?:)
Self-fulfilled prophecy and an argument from popularity are both logical fallacies, moron.

The inspiration of the Bible depends upon the ignorance of the gentleman who reads it.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, speech (1881), quoted from Jonathon Green, The Cassell Dictionary of Cynical Quotations

Is there an intelligent man or woman now in the world who believes in the Garden of Eden story? If you find any man who believes it, strike his forehead and you will hear an echo. Something is for rent.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Orthodoxy" (1884)
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Dec 10, 2012
 
God Himself wrote:
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You have taken the argument completely out of context.
My justification was for calling myself a God; you are mentioning individuals who do not share my concept of God nor anything else. The fact that they may have seen themselves as gods, in no way implies that their godliness is similar to or related to my sense of godliness.
I find it rather conflicting that you "affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair", when you espouse a concept that implies that all existence is meaningless.
I see no reason to think that your referring to Humanism is anything but an attempt to escape the futility of the world you imagine in scientific thought.
The human spirit is celebrated by giving it a sense of direct relationship and connection with the Omnipotent? You just cant appreciate that because you lack the capacity or are otherwise unable to.
Every sect is a certificate that God has not plainly revealed his will to man. To each reader the Bible conveys a different meaning.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Some Mistakes of Moses," XII Saturday

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From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/god
God - A powerful ruler or despot.

Yes. And this is why genocidal cults of personality like Stalinism, Nazism, and Maoism with their harshly judgmental and authoritarian mortal gods are more properly categorized with Christianity and Islam than with gentle philosophies like secular humanism.
God Himself wrote:
You have taken the argument completely out of context.
I didn't do anything with your argument. I used a definition you provided in it to make an unrelated argument of my own.
God Himself wrote:
My justification was for calling myself a God; you are mentioning individuals who do not share my concept of God nor anything else.
People like Stalin, Hitler, and Mao certainly do have much in common with the Christian god.
God Himself wrote:
The fact that they may have seen themselves as gods, in no way implies that their godliness is similar to or related to my sense of godliness.
You're missing the point. Authoritarian religions are dangerous, whether the god is a mythical creature or a psychotic despot.
God Himself wrote:
I find it rather conflicting that you "affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair", when you espouse a concept that implies that all existence is meaningless.
That must be your idea. Life is quite meaningful to me. I drink up every day with enthusiasm.
God Himself wrote:
I see no reason to think that your referring to Humanism is anything but an attempt to escape the futility of the world you imagine in scientific thought.
Once again, the futility must be in your head, because it's not in mine. I see great hope for the future. You see apocalypse, right?

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God Himself wrote:
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We have been through this before; the reality of God is independent of the value of the bible.
Not if "God" is Jehovah-Jesus. The book rules its central character out.
God Himself wrote:
Would it have been better if man knew God directly instead of having to refer to a book?
Yes, if there is one and it wants to be known. Why not?
God Himself wrote:
So even if God was walking among us in the flesh or whatever form; there would still be ass-holes like you who find something to be sceptical about and doubt.
Not so. You misjudge me, my natural curiosity, and my love of knowledge. If a race of gods appeared today, I'd be learning as much as I could about them before morning.

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Religious and Atheist in prisons.

In "The New Criminology", Max D. Schlapp and Edward E. Smith say that two generations of statisticians found that the ratio of convicts without religious training is about 1/10 of 1%.

During 10 years in Sing-Sing, those executed for murder were 65% Catholics, 26% Protestants, 6% Hebrew, 2% Pagan and less than 1/3 of 1% non-religious.

Steiner and Swancara surveyed Canadian prisons and found 1,294 Catholics, 435 Anglicans, 241 Methodists, 135 Baptists, and 1 Unitarian.

W. T. Root, professor of
psychology at the Univ. of Pittsburgh, examined 1,916 prisoners and said "Indifference to religion,
due to thought, strengthens character," adding
that Unitarians, Agnostics. Atheists and Free-Thinkers are absent from penitentiariers or nearly so.

Dr. Christian, Superintendant of the NY State Reformatories, checked 22,000 prison inmates
and found only 4 college graduates. In "Who's Who"
91% were college graduates, and he commented that "intelligence and knowledge produce right living" and that "crime is the offspring of
superstition and ignorance."

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Dec 10, 2012
 
United in faith wrote:
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because there have been many cases where children were ask to do reports on something and a child brought God into it and the teacher dismissed that report, or told the child they couldn't paint a picture of Jesus and then the childs parents ended up having to sue the school for restricting the childs free speech.
happens alot more than you know boots.
the reason many people enter the educational field is their empathy for children.

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