Prove there's a god.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572109 Dec 11, 2012
NOTE:

Incest, inbreeding and hypogamy violate the laws of biology and the result of indulging in these eugenic perversions is genetic disaster with the proliferation of abnormal or dysfunctional types of human beings that mar the smooth functioning of being and society at large.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572110 Dec 11, 2012
JESUS ADVOCATED VIOLENCE, SECTARIANISM & FANATICISM:

i can understand the naked violence and bloodshed and hatred and sectarianism indulged in by YHVH, the Hebrew pagan deity. But, for the exalted Prince of Peace, Jesus, to exhibit bigotry and advocate violence is a big shock:

1)“36…… and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

- Luke, 22/36

2) Christ also declared in the New Testament (Matthew, 10/34) that he has come not for peace but to wield a sword.

3) Jesus also says in another chapter of the New Testament (John, 15/6) that one who does not seek shelter in him, will be thrown like a withered branch of tree fit to be burnt in fire.

4) Christ categorically says in the New Testament (Mark, 16/16) that he who believes and is baptized, shall be saved, while he who does not believe (in Christ and Christianity) shall be damned.

5)“27. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke, 19/27

What kind of a Prince of Peace was Jesus? LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572111 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>

lol
LMAO.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572112 Dec 11, 2012
Bye, boyz. Later.

(smiles)

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#572113 Dec 11, 2012
United in faith wrote:
Boots:
today there was a news article on ABC news.
recapping an interview with Christiane Amanpour (news anchor) with a renowned and well know underwater Archaeologist ROBERT BALLARD. The same archaeologist who found and uncovered the famous Titantic.
He is on a mission to find proof of the Flood of Noah.
which he has.
using high tech Marine robotic technology in the black sea he and his team have uncovered an ancient shoreline some 400 ft below surface, and the carbon dating of the shells and coral date to 5000BC which is the approx time of Noahs flood.
His discoveries do prove a catcestrophic event of a world wide flood.
pay close attention.
There will be a 2 part serious called "Back to the begining" by Christian Amanpour with the Archaeologist on Dec 28th (friday) at 9PM ET on ABC
the site i read the news article on was
abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-b...
you can watch the news series yourself on it Dec 28 at 9 pm ET on ABC ....
so don't argue with me about it until AFTER you view the 2 part series for yourself.
I had to google the story as your link only gave me a page with a lot of advertising and titles on it, but I did find the ABC story. It seems Ballard thinks he can prove, which others have already believed, that a major flood did occur in the Black Sea area, which could have been caused by an increase in water levels which caused the water to rush into the Black Sea area or generally the area of the Bible stories, burying towns etc, in that area.

Ballard believes that this might then "prove" that the story of Noah's Flood was based on legends about a real flood which covered a small part of a small part of the earth.

Some of the above was put into my own words for lack of memory of what I read.

Ballard is not going to prove that Noah's Flood actually occurred nor is that his intention. He just wants to see if the myth was based on a real flood of a smaller area, which, I thought, has already been proved anyway.

We still know from lots of other archeological and geological findings, and through scientific calculations that the Noah's Flood did not ever occur on the planet Earth after life started here. The earth at some point in the beginning may have all been molten so at that time it would have been 'flooded' with molten metals, etc.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#572114 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO.
Ok, genius..... You wrote:

"Use the principle of causation to verify your belief in the existence of the extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic and creationist deity. You will discover that it cannot be done."

Use the principle of causation to verify your belief in the existence of every life on earth evolving from one single cell organism. You will discover that it cannot be done.

But I'm sure your beliefs are too strong to argue with logically.

"My personal feeling is that understanding evolution led me to atheism."
-Richard Dawkins

Again I lol.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#572115 Dec 11, 2012
Lady Derringer wrote:
Three Questions:
1.) Someone at a party over the weekend (almost caused WW3)was saying there was someone before God. They said it was on You-Tube. Has anyone else heard this rumour?
2.) Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet and not the son of God.
3.) Doesn't the Christian's and Muslim's main belief contradict each other in a way?
I don't recall Jesus being called the son of God, only the Son of man.(Mt 24:30, etc.)

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#572116 Dec 11, 2012
United in faith wrote:
Boots:
today there was a news article on ABC news.
recapping an interview with Christiane Amanpour (news anchor) with a renowned and well know underwater Archaeologist ROBERT BALLARD. The same archaeologist who found and uncovered the famous Titantic.
He is on a mission to find proof of the Flood of Noah.
which he has.
using high tech Marine robotic technology in the black sea he and his team have uncovered an ancient shoreline some 400 ft below surface, and the carbon dating of the shells and coral date to 5000BC which is the approx time of Noahs flood.
His discoveries do prove a catcestrophic event of a world wide flood.
The article doesn't say his discoveries prove a world wide flood.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-sug...

It does say Ballard is attempting to prove a world wide flood, but that the area he is looking at is thought to have been affected by a localized flood that occurred when the Mediterranean Sea flooded the Black Sea region. The shells and coral date to 5000BCE, but the oldest artifact he has discovered so far dates to 500BCE.

Additionally...

Here are some problems for the biblical "world wide" flood.
5th millennium BCE in North American history
http://en.wikipedia.org
List of archaeological periods (North America)
/wiki/List_of_archaeological_p eriods_%28North_America%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
5th millennium BC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_millennium_B...
Badari culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badari_culture
Merimde culture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merimde

Those aren't all inclusive, and just represent a few if Ballard is trying to assert a 5000BCE date for the biblical flood.
United in faith wrote:
There will be a 2 part serious called "Back to the begining" by Christian Amanpour with the Archaeologist on Dec 28th (friday) at 9PM ET on ABC
the site i read the news article on was
abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-b...
you can watch the news series yourself on it Dec 28 at 9 pm ET on ABC ....
so don't argue with me about it until AFTER you view the 2 part series for yourself.
The link you provided above does not link to the story you are speaking of.

Why do theists have such a difficult time copying links and pasting them properly?

There is no argument based on the archaeological evidence, unless you are an Abrahamic theist.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#572117 Dec 11, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not terrible Al.
Lol! No you're not!:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#572118 Dec 11, 2012
85genius wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn think I must have just wasted my money on that heavenly muck spreader....
I knew the salesman in the dealership didn't seem quite right. ;-)
yep - nothing unclean or that defiles will be allowed in. why the blazes should it be - ain't it enough that we f'd up this world???;)
Headlines

AOL

#572119 Dec 11, 2012
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***Obama sends MUSLIM Brotherhood F-16 Fighters

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“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#572120 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
.... But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke, 19/27
What kind of a Prince of Peace was Jesus? LOL.
He was telling a story about a man *of noble birth*, beginning at Luke 19:11-27, IOWs "the parable of ten pounds". "He said therefore, a certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom,...blah, blah, blah,...But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and sly them before me." What do you think he meant by the parable? Can you use "perspective", put yourself inside the story or catch a hint as to what Jesus implied by it?

Geez, I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in you guys' quoting the bible but you just keep sucking me back in with yer stupidity. Bible search is so freaking tedious.

Please try harder to understand what you read. I'm tired of doing it for you.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#572121 Dec 11, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you view penes?
Would you like to be my new wittle boi?
are insults and angst all you can bring to a debate about your eternal soul???

cmon tammy, you're asian so you must be at least a little smarter than this:)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572122 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
The fact that each reader receives a different meaning suggests that God is multifaceted and that He has many different attributes/potentials which may be appealed to separately.
When the many meanings that people impute to scripture are mostly mutually exclusive, it suggests that nothing interesting or special is happening there. If a god is involved, it's not communicating very well.
hah

Green Bank, WV

#572129 Dec 11, 2012
Laconic Assassins wrote:
I suspect that gay friendly means that you are friendly to gays who abuse children.
I suspect christian friendly means that you are friendly to christians who abuse children.
hah

Green Bank, WV

#572131 Dec 11, 2012
Laconic Assassins wrote:
<quoted text>That is a lie. We have exposed to lies in evolution, causing atheists to reinvent evoltuion and change directions. Exactly who has found evidence of untruths in the Bible? Was it a family member, a neighbor or soime random person walking the streets? It surely was not found in science.
Exactly who has found evidence of untruths in evolution? Was it a family member, a neighbor or some random person walking the street? It surely was not found in science.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#572132 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
MUSINGS ON THE NATURE OF REALITY:
...
7) Perfection of matter is thus the highest achievement, no more escapism into the higher realms.
8) Destroy the cross - the symbol of impotence, pain, treachery, death and escapism.
9) Salvation is physical.
From 7-9, I dont quite agree with.

On 8:
Well, 8 might be a valid concept to some degree. Even a Christian may agree with that to some extent.

On 7:

Matter is only one type of material. I agree that perfection of MATERIAL is the highest achievement; but the perfection of material does not have to mean "the perfection of matter".

On 9:

Salvation must be real, but is the physical state truly the truest, most real, highest, purest or finest state?

I tend to see Salvation as a process of transcending the physical state not perfecting it in itself; because man is necessarily restricted by the limits of his physical being.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572133 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
There is no Christian God you clown; there is only the Christian (or Muslim or Jewish bla bla bla) perception of God.
I realize that.
God Himself wrote:
It is the Christian's perception of God that is flawed; ...
No argument there, either.
God Himself wrote:
... that which is , is God flawless in and of itself.
What?

BTW, given this huge discrepancy between what you say your god is, and what people seem to think about it, I'd have to say that your god seems inarticulate - powerless to communicate.
God Himself wrote:
I have no interest in authoritarian religions. There is no need to be interested in any religion here
Me, neither. So what are we disagreeing about?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572134 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
they have no bearing on nor relationship to the topic "Prove there's a God". God exists independently of religion and biblical scripture.
Then I suggest that you limit your comments to proving there's a god.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Life is quite meaningful to me. I drink up every day with enthusiasm.
God Himself wrote:
That enthusiasm is meaningless and futile; it will return from to the dust from whence it came with no hopes of revival or being "Salvaged". All your enthusiasm and virtue is part and parcel of a meaningless existence
So, your argument is that my god-free life is meaningless, I tell you that it has meaning to me, and you say that that is meaningless, too.

It seems to me that you're the one that doesn't understand what meaning in life is, nor where to find it.

Why would I be interested in such a bleak philosophy as one that taught you to think like that? The one I have now is much better already.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572135 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What hope do you see for the future: the hope that life and the universe will grind to a halt and dissolve back into absolute nothingness and chaos? You must be dreaming. LOL!
It's really a shame what they did to you. My life is full of meaning, purpose, hope, enthusiasm and vitality. You sound dead already.

BTW, you're utilizing a fallacy that I can't find a name for, so I call it the fallacy of scale. A life has meaning at a certain scale of space and time. At too small a size or for too short a time, life as no meaning. For particles decaying in nanoseconds, most of the qualities of our experience don't exist. There is no wetness there, and no glare. There is no humor and no fear.

Likewise, from too far away, or when looking at too large a volume of space, once again, there is no sign of life at all. And over deep time, no life time matters at all.

That's your argument - that in the grand scheme of things, considering the whole universe over trillions of years, my life doesn't matter. I agree.

But that's a fallacy to say that what is true at an extreme scale is true at all scales. We don't exist at the level of the grand scheme of things - just in a few square miles of the surface of one small planet for a few decades.

Why should my influence be expected to extend so far into time and space - or its failure to do so - constitute the basis of an argument against it having meaning? It shouldn't and it doesn't.

Notice that you're using the cosmological scale to negate the meaning in a life. More commonly, it's done at the microscopic level: "If we're nothing but chemicals,our lives cannot have meaning." It's as fallacious as calling Shakespeare meaningless if it is just so many letters, spaces, and punctuation marks. Yes, at that scale, Shakespeare is also pretty meaningless.

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