Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#572309 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's called special pleading. Everything else is subject to laws that you need to have apply to justify your god's, including the universe itself, except your god, who you also need to have excused from these laws. If those rules are valid, then let it be the singularity or the multiverse that needs no cause.
From Pat Condell:
"Faith-peddlers like to put themselves beyond question by claiming that their faith transcends reason, the very thing that calls it to account. How convenient. Yes, faith transcends reason the way a criminal transcends the law.
"The word "transcendent" is very popular with religious hustlers because they never have to explain precisely what they mean by it, other than some vague superior state of understanding more profound than mere reason, which is crude and simplistic next to the subtleties and profundities of belief without evidence.
"If you hear a senior clergyman (and you will) using the word “transcendent" to explain the nonsense he claims to believe, then you know two things: one: he doesn't know what he's talking about, and two: he doesn't want you to know what he's talking about either."
You're a poster child for atheism indoctrination.

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#572310 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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i don't believe in an extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic, creationist deity.
well there is one god upon whom we agree

is there other gods you do not believe in?

“Ditat Deus”

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#572311 Dec 11, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
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So if time exists then either god knows the future or he is powerless to change it.....
Just think man you can't win this. It is not possible to be both. You can't be in 2 places at 1 time.
God can't be omniscient and omnipotent. It defies logic and the entire concept of the words and ideas. You need new words, ideas, or gods.
Of course God knows the future, but He wouldn't consider it "future".

Past, present & future are all the same to God. All happening at once, but all happening separately...

God can be and IS omniscient and omnipotent, humans can't be.

You're still applying human limitations to God, you know.

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#572312 Dec 11, 2012
JOEL wrote:
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So, what happens to the basal consciousness-energy field? Does it get dissolved into nothing?
Consciousness-energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
The unified field of consciousness-energy can manifest as a series of gradations ranging from subtle to gross.
oh I agree

you build a new god, surely you are correct.

no one has ever thought to build a new god before.

“Ditat Deus”

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#572313 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a minute.
You say "it's metaphorical" ...but vehemently insist they must "follow the rules or go to hell"?
Is the bible LITERAL, or METAPHORAL?
Metophorical "rules" are unfollowable.
"Tace of" the water means surface. Thus, rises the belief that "Jesus can walk on water" for those who believe Jesus is "god". Some religious people believe in this, RR, and they will call you a blasphemer if you don't toe their "God walking on water" line. It's one of "Jesus' Miracles".
For starters, newbie, not all of the bible is metaphorical. Lets just get that our right now.

And why are you willing to accept that "face of the waters" is a metaphor but "day" is not?

Sounds like you've perfected your cherry picking technique.
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#572314 Dec 11, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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Lets see:
Do all persons respond to the same influences in the same way?
Do all persons experience the same things to the same degrees?
How is it that everyone can taste ice cream without agreeing that a particular flavour is the best; all of them having a different experience/perception of the same thing?
I will leave you to attempt to answer your own question now; because no suggestion put forward to you seems to make sense to you except your own.
You can answer these questions yourself, too, and maybe (a BIG maybe) you'll get some perspective.

But I don't hold out much hope for someone that wants to call himself "god". A person like you has already crossed the crazy bridge into BALALALALALALALALALALand!

Let's take your ice cream exampl: If ice cream can have so many different flavors, why can't "god"?
After all, we can say "we believe in god" but confict begins if it's the "wrong" god (different from somebody else's "god").

But humans don't go to war and kill people over ice cream, like they do over the idea of a "god", do they?
No.

Dude, you're not even making sense to yourself.
No wonder your crazy @ss is locked up! It's where you belong!

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#572315 Dec 11, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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In God's Universe he makes the rules. Not the other way around. God is not restricted to our understanding of the rules of the universe.
I agree, but when did u start believing in God?

“Ditat Deus”

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#572316 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>America is NOT a "Christian nation". The Founding Fathers believed in a "god" NOT "the Christian god".
If there was a "god" why would he just be Christian? That sounds more like an idol than a real "god".
If we were a "Christian Nation" we would NOT be lighting the National Menorah for Hanukkah (a Jewish holiday).
And don't call it a "Judeo-Christian" nation either, there are too many Christians here that hate Jews.
Right...... Is that why the founding fathers attended church in Congress?

huh

Is that why they still start Congress with a prayer?

oh

Is that why POTUS swears to God upon Hus election?

strange

Is that why America's courts have CHRISTIAN words adorning their walls?

hmmm

Or maybe it's the oath our military people give. You know, the one where hey swear to God?

naaah......

Not a Christian nation.

pfft

“Ditat Deus”

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#572317 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, to humans living in the real world and not in fantasyland.
Now it's time for you to come back down to this real world and join the rest of the humans.
Are you human? Cudda fooled me.

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#572318 Dec 11, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm thinking he wears stretch pants.
Do you want them to come off? Hmmmm?
ewwwwww no!!!!! not when he's green I don't! hehehehe ;-)

And it depends which hulk it is, Eric bana isn't bad looking! lol
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#572319 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Of course God knows the future, but He wouldn't consider it "future".
Past, present & future are all the same to God. All happening at once, but all happening separately...
God can be and IS omniscient and omnipotent, humans can't be.
You're still applying human limitations to God, you know.
He CANNOT.
You cannot break the laws of physics. If that was so, there would be no existance becaue the existance would be snuffed out before it even began.
It's like you're saying if a child has cancer, "god" is the child AND the cancer that kills it. "God" dying of "god".
Your idea would have "god" killing itself, or not being able to exist at all.

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#572321 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Grease came out when I was a teen, darling. It was made in my time. I was more into movies like Star Wars, not chick-flick sing-along movies.
Another reason why I hate Grease, my ex-wife lives it.
Any happily divorced guys out there can testify to that.
yh star wars is good too but in its own way, u can't compare the two.

I saw grease when i was in my teens too.

new star wars better tho! What do u think?

lol, u poor men! awwww
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#572322 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Right...... Is that why the founding fathers attended church in Congress?
huh
Is that why they still start Congress with a prayer?
oh
Is that why POTUS swears to God upon Hus election?
strange
Is that why America's courts have CHRISTIAN words adorning their walls?
hmmm
Or maybe it's the oath our military people give. You know, the one where hey swear to God?
naaah......
Not a Christian nation.
pfft
You're easily fooled by appearences.
Just because people "go to church" does NOT mean they "believe in god".
People go to church just to have a place to hang out, to socialize, to show off their fancy fashions. It's just a routine to most folks.
All of this stuff you're citing is just ROTE ROUTINE. Doing it just to be doing it. The oaths, the words, the prayers,- just for show.
The POTUS is swearing to "god" NOT "the Christian god". There is a difference between a "god" and an idol
A real "god" would not pick a religion.
We would not be LIGHTING A MENORAH if this was a "Christian nation"!

“Ditat Deus”

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#572323 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>He CANNOT.
You cannot break the laws of physics. If that was so, there would be no existance becaue the existance would be snuffed out before it even began.
It's like you're saying if a child has cancer, "god" is the child AND the cancer that kills it. "God" dying of "god".
Your idea would have "god" killing itself, or not being able to exist at all.
WTF? Who's existence would be "snuffed out"?
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#572324 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Are you human? Cudda fooled me.
Sure.
What about you? Doesn't appear so from here.
I'm not sure YOU're human, much less GROWN...

“Ditat Deus”

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#572325 Dec 11, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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yh star wars is good too but in its own way, u can't compare the two.
I saw grease when i was in my teens too.
new star wars better tho! What do u think?
lol, u poor men! awwww
Nah, old Star Wars is better. Much better, IMO.

Poor men?

lol, you're the one bleeding 25% of every month...
Sharkey

Sparks, NV

#572326 Dec 11, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i don't get angry; i trample on serpents and scorpions;)
You may not get angry, but you do sound stupid.
You will get bit or stung, then die from the venom.

“Ditat Deus”

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#572327 Dec 11, 2012
Sharkey wrote:
<quoted text>You're easily fooled by appearences.
Just because people "go to church" does NOT mean they "believe in god".
People go to church just to have a place to hang out, to socialize, to show off their fancy fashions. It's just a routine to most folks.
All of this stuff you're citing is just ROTE ROUTINE. Doing it just to be doing it. The oaths, the words, the prayers,- just for show.
The POTUS is swearing to "god" NOT "the Christian god". There is a difference between a "god" and an idol
A real "god" would not pick a religion.
We would not be LIGHTING A MENORAH if this was a "Christian nation"!
Who's lighting a menorah? hehe...

Bring up Jewish holidays all you want, they are NOT American national holidays. Christian holidays are, so.....

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#572328 Dec 11, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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I agree, but when did u start believing in God?
At age 2. I remember reading the bible series books in the Doctors office.
http://bargainsnook.ecrater.com/p/7495683/the...

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#572329 Dec 11, 2012
Somali Pirate wrote:
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5 is still 5
2+2=4
No matter what, even god can't change it. You can use different language or symbols on any planet anywhere...... Anywhere
However if i concede He does exist and he changes the laws of the universe..... Then he knew he was going to change them, or he can't do anything but change them.
God divides by 0

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