Prove there's a god.

Since: Dec 12

London, UK

#572068 Dec 11, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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"I consider it less than humane"
****newsflash*****
the "humane" is fallen and has been corrupted! just read your papers and look at yourselves! that's why Jesus said "unless you're born again you shall not see the Kingdom of Heaven"
you can trample around on this world for a bit longer, but you won't be able to drag your muck through Heaven.
Damn think I must have just wasted my money on that heavenly muck spreader....

I knew the salesman in the dealership didn't seem quite right. ;-)

“let's do this thang!”

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#572069 Dec 11, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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The first five are nothing but your god's vanity, so his statement is perfectly logical, it also does not mean he condones breaking the law or behaving against the species, that is what your doctrine justifies though. The ten commandments are actually "obey these unless you are doing it in the name of your god."
dear kitty, God's right to His creation is only "vanity" to you because it sharply conflicts with your own.

“let's do this thang!”

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#572070 Dec 11, 2012
Lady Derringer wrote:
Three Questions:
1.) Someone at a party over the weekend (almost caused WW3)was saying there was someone before God. They said it was on You-Tube. Has anyone else heard this rumour?
2.) Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet and not the son of God.
3.) Doesn't the Christian's and Muslim's main belief contradict each other in a way?
1 - sure....believe the you-tube; after all, it's been around before 'the beginning'!
2 - islam was formed in about 500 AD as a ploy to unite the arab nations in their shared bigotry against Israel. why would you respect anything the quaran says???
3 - yes - in a huge way!

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#572071 Dec 11, 2012
Lady Derringer wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible and lesbians are comparing apples to oranges. Even the LDS Church is backpedaling on their gay stance. They have a website at www.mormonsandgays.org . Their postion is that is only a sin if one acts on same sex attraction. I have a feeling that soo the prophets will have a "revelation" thta it is OK to act on it in the near future in much the same way the LDS Church had a revelation that it was finally OK to give membership and the priesthood to Blacks. This was conveniently after the LDS Church was told that their non-profit status would be pulled if they did not allow Blacks in. I have a feeling the Government will cause another revelation soon.
as a 'Christian', i'm not against sinners, homosexual or otherwise. i am, however against destructive and demoralizing behavior; aka sin including homosexuality.

it's the demon possesed homosexual agenda that's waging war against the Body of Christ, of which i'm a member and therefore caught in this epic battle between good & evil:)

“let's do this thang!”

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#572072 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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is this a hint
can we begin to deduce
who posts as the name changing hate troll
why am i talking to someone who's great concern is to be able to view penis' in public restrooms???

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#572073 Dec 11, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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You can make up your own mind, it's these guys;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XPpTgCho5ZAXX
Thanks. I didn't mind the nude shots on the video effects. The instrumental parts I couldn't listen to very long. The voice is not bad, but the style of music doesn't attract me that much. If I had a choice between that and rap, then I would pick that. Rap I wouldn't listen, to as much of it isn't music anyway, but just some guy/girl, who can't sing, speaking words and a lot of noise in the background.

Now what do you think of Ken Curtis, Festus from Gunsmoke, and star of Ripcord - replaced Frank Sinatra on Tommy Dorsey for a few years? Try actor Ned Beatty. So far you haven't recognized any of those names, right, and the tv shows were before you were born.

Roger Whittaker, Gordon Lightfoot *, Anne Murray, Johnny Cash, Jim Reeves, Stompin Tom Connors *, Hank Williams Sr, some Elvis Presley, some Beatles, Charley Pride *, Harry Belafonte *, John McDermott *(saw him in concert with Nana Mouskouri), 3 Tenors (one now dead), Strauss, Mozart, and most of the other old classical but not opera.

* I have seen in concert.

Jim Reeves would be my overall favorite of the above.

Two other world famous Canadians, Celine Dion - like some of hers; Shania Twain (probably haven't heard much of her but she is cute. My brother lived with her 1st cousin for a few years, and I think met her a at a relative's funeral)

Now one of the biggest music stars today, who was raised in a town not far from where I lived for a number of years, and I have been there many times, is Justin Bieber, but I haven't heard his singing, and probably would not be interested in it.

I am definitely not 'with it', right?

I was to a Rolling Stones concert in 2005, which was phenomenal, but I would not likely have gone across the street to see them otherwise, but my spouse at the time wanted to go, and they put on an amazing show with great effects. I think mainly what capture me was the two old guys who have abused themselves all their lives could still put on a show, and Mick Jagger never stopped running across the stage for the entire performance.
ronone

Pittsburgh, PA

#572074 Dec 11, 2012
youtube.com/watch... …Well?
God at Work?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#572075 Dec 11, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>The next time believers tell you that "separation of church and state" does not appear in our founding document, tell them to stop using the word "trinity." The word "trinity" appears nowhere in the bible. Neither does Rapture, or Second Coming, or Original Sin. If they are still unfazed (or unphrased) by this, then add Omniscience ...[edited for space]... Decalogue, or Bible.- Dan Barker
Excellent. Thanks. It was added to my growing list of quotables from Barker, which I can offer you in exchange:

"Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it." – Dan Barker

“If the Prodigal Son is a parable, and Adam and Eve are metaphors, then maybe God is just figure of speech.”– Dan Barker

”The very concept of sin comes from the bible. Christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! Would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?”– Dan Barker

”How happy can you be when you think every action and thought is being monitored by a judgmental ghost?”– Dan Barker

”You can cite a hundred references to show that the biblical God is a bloodthirsty tyrant, but if they can dig up two or three verses that say God is love, they will claim that *you* are taking things out of context!”– Dan Barker

“I do understand what love is, and that is one of the reasons I can never again be a Christian. Love is not self denial. Love is not blood and suffering. Love is not murdering your son to appease your own vanity. Love is not hatred or wrath, consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego or disobeyed your rules. Love is not obedience, conformity, or submission. It is a counterfeit love that is contingent upon authority, punishment, or reward. True love is respect and admiration, compassion and kindness, freely given by a healthy, unafraid human being.”– Dan Barker

“I have something to say to the religionist who feels atheists never say anything positive: You are an intelligent human being. Your life is valuable for its own sake. You are not second-class in the universe, deriving meaning and purpose from some other mind. You are not inherently evil--you are inherently human, possessing the positive rational potential to help make this a world of morality, peace and joy. Trust yourself.”– Dan Barker

“Faith is the opposite of reason because reason imposes very strict limits on what can be true, and faith has no limits at all. A Great Escape into faith is no retreat to safety. It is nothing less than surrender.”– Dan Barker

“There are many gods which Christians reject. I just believe in one less god then they do. The reasons that you might give for your atheism toward the Roman gods are likely the same reasons I would give for not believing in Jesus.”– Dan Barker

”Look at the posture of prayer. It is the posture of slavery, of bowing before your master. We are a proudly rebellious country. We kicked out the master. Now here comes the government telling us to humbly bow again.”– Dan Barker

“Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.”– Dan Barker

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#572076 Dec 11, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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why am i talking to someone who's great concern is to be able to view penis' in public restrooms???
Where do you view penes?

Would you like to be my new wittle boi?

“Ditat Deus”

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#572077 Dec 11, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Well, evolution is the reason for the diversity of life on earth.
And what's the reason for evolution?

“Ditat Deus”

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#572078 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Just like Skeletor!
You're such a child.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572079 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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if you took a container, and removed from it all energies, and added your god,

that would be nothing
i don't believe in an extra-cosmic, anthropomorphic, creationist deity.

JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572080 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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the absence of everything

you did just define everything did you not?
So, what happens to the basal consciousness-energy field? Does it get dissolved into nothing?

Consciousness-energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

The unified field of consciousness-energy can manifest as a series of gradations ranging from subtle to gross.

“Ditat Deus”

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#572081 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You say that like it's rare to find in the world. Assuming that it is correct, the right way to say that is, "America was the first to allow any religion and bar none." If freedom and from religion is a "cool thing about America," it's a cool thing about an awful lot of other countries, too.
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We see it differently. We say that the government doesn't have any business supporting religion in any way.That means no endorsements of religion or of one particular religion or denomination.
You've been using our currency as religious tracts for generations now. Justice demands that when the irreligious take control, they use the money to promote their views for an equal number of years. Every coin and bill could say, "We No Longer Trust In Gods." Only then would you understand how wrong you have been to be doing the opposite for so long, and why the money should contain no mention of religious subjects.
But humanists seem more interested in healing the gaping divisions caused by religion than in maintaining them, so they'll likely give you amnesty, not justice, and you'll likely scream bloody murder and play the victim, saying that we're imposing atheism on you even with that correction.
"Justice demands that when the irreligious take control"

You sound like you're ready to start your own "unholy war"......

Well good luck.

You'd probably have a better chance of getting "In Allah We Trust" on American money rather than "We No Longer Trust In Gods."

Why?

Because 80% of Americans believe in "gods".

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#572082 Dec 11, 2012
Clementia wrote:
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It's ok i'm going to read that one after.:-)
Our indian religions teach us that everything is life, even the plants are living. Eating meat and eating plants is the same, but as a human being you should not be able to see anything in pain. When a plant is cut it does not scream, but when an animal is cut it's bloody scared and it screams in pain, but these blind people still think the animal feels no pain. If people want to eat a dead corpse, which is very disgusting to me, find another way of killing the animal.
Muslims do the halal thing and jews do this other stupid way, they think their way is better, no it bloody aint, again the animal is in agony!!
Would these people like it if that happened to their kids? so why bloody do it to animals? why?
First, us stupid humans breed and breed animals to produce lots of meat for us, then we talk about the animal population would increase if we stopped eating them? Well, just like we make animals breed lets make them stop breeding and control thier population, then we wouldn't have to kill them.
North of India is mostly vegetarian, we have not bloody died and their aren't pigs running around everywhere!
Most of South India eats meat and it's still f*cking starving!!
Pork is probably the best non fish meat, IMO. I really feel sorry for those people who can't eat it because of religion. It is still the highest consumed meat in the world.

Most animals killed in slaughter-houses are not killed like that video showed. Those were lazy people or bungled it. You want to have the animal bleed to death as we tend to not want our meat full of blood, so they have to remain alive as long as possible as they don't bleed much after the heart stops.

They are, however, if done properly, rendered unconscious, much like when a human has an operation, so they feel no pain - that applies to beef, pork, lamb; likely not poultry. This is done either by a blow to the head with a type of gun or a heavy instrument, or by electric shock. I think that Kosher and Halal wants them bled while conscious, so they are more barbaric.

We had to kill animals in class when I went to university, and for anyone who has never seen it, it isn't the prettiest thing in the world, by all means.

Obviously as with any mass production, when things are done on an assembly line, which is how large slaughter houses operate, there will be people who bungle, or are lazy, etc., but if they are under proper legal inspection, etc., that should not happen.

I was reading last night about a Canadian that is trying to market a new brand of Coffee with puts the coffee beans through Elephants, and then they are harvested from the dung, and processed. They are expecting it will be about $50 a cup of coffee, and is suppose to make the coffee much better than the traditional means. There already is another famous coffee, that is produce similarly but through a smaller animal. This coffee is considered desirable by the higher class of people.

Personally, I know we put manure, etc. on our gardens and crops for necessary fertilizer, but I would be somewhat reluctant to eat or drink something that has just passed through the digestive system and been defecated by an animal. Of course we eat the wastes of some of the smaller marine life, shrimp, prawns, lobsters, clams. Some of the very best foods in the world we eat their waste. Best to properly cook first.:)

Have you never heard a carrot or celery scream, when you cut it??:):) It is heart breaking.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572083 Dec 11, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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history shows that the immoral majority are always wrong:)
"Immoral majority" is a pretty strong term to use.

Yes, we could say that the overwhelming majority of people are ignorant and deluded.

Back here in India, i know of several sheeple - the ignorant ones - whose sense of morality is pretty strong.

“Ditat Deus”

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#572084 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Here are several great thinker's takes on your AWOL (undetectable) god:
[1]“The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike”- Delos B. McKown
[2] "Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says,“Well, that’s not how I choose to think about water.&#12539; All we can do is appeal to scientific values. And if he doesn’t share those values, the conversation is over. If someone doesn’t value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" - Sam Harris
[3] "Are there things in the Universe that we cannot know in the usual way of observing and measuring, but that we can know in some other way -- intuition, revelation, mad insight? If so, how can you know that what you know in these non-knowing ways is really so? Anything you know without knowing, others can know only through your flat statement without any proof other that 'I know!' All this leads to such madness that I, for one, am content with the knowable. That is enough to know." - Isaac Asimov
[4] "It is wrong for a man to say that he is certain of the objective truth of any proposition unless he can produce evidence which logically justifies that certainty." - Thomas Henry Huxley.
[5]“The god hypothesis is incoherent, causally inadequate, unsupported by any other line of evidence, inconsistent with what we do know about how the universe works, and also internally inconsistent in all religions. Gods are simply bad ideas that don't even deserve the dignity of being treated as an alternative explanation for anything.– PZ Myers
Don't have anything to say for yourself?

I'll only address your #1.

When DNA was invisible to us, that meant it was also non-existent?

Silly irreligitard....
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#572085 Dec 11, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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if you took a container, and removed from it all energies, and added your god, that would be nothing.
If you empty a container of all its contents, the material of the container (metal, plastic, wood etc) would still remain and don't forget that air would rush in to take the place of the emptiness inside the container. Besides, the emptied or poured out material is not reduced to nothing since it would simply be displaced elsewhere in space-time.

LOL.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#572086 Dec 11, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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But didn't look very far. Didn't you just post that you believe that your bible is or might be inerrant?
RiversideRedneck worte: "as we speak (so to speak), nobody can prove any inerrancy of the Bible."
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One can't help but notice that you only modify your indoctrination where it serves your preference to believe, as when calling biblical error "allegory" or "metaphor."
I'll bet that you're as fully indoctrinated in your antiscientific attitudes as you are in you are in your bold assertion that no errors have been found in your bible.
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Welcome to the Matrix.
You excell at not answering questions. You're a master dodger.

You seem unable to understand that allegorical/metaphorical doesn't mean false.

If I were to say that I'm so hungry I could eat a horse, that doesn't mean in lying about being hungry. I'm simply expressing that I'm very very hungry....

“Ditat Deus”

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#572087 Dec 11, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Yes, but where's the record that all life came from a common ancestor, as Darwin suggests.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's in the fossils and biochemistry, for starters.
LMAO!!!

That's it?

That all you've got?

"The fossils"?!?

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