“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#571696 Dec 9, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion doesn't need to be discussed in public schools at all, no more than sports or movies.

Yeah, and I agree.

You know, at times I think the most difficult endeavor on this thread is to try and keep a discussion going with an individual, and sometimes that works, but only rarely. Even with offering a give and take approach, by suggesting a new direction for the conversation or by tossing a new concept out there in hopes that it will bring forth some different thought or commentary.

This is what Ar Ar had to say in response to the above:
[QUOTE who="RiversideRedneck "]<quoted text>
In the context of a public school setting, you're right.
As long as the subject is religion, the teacher MUST keep their own opinions out of it and simply teach the "facts" of said religion.
(Then when the students walk out, he/she can pray to God while looking at the cross hung over the door.)
:p
It rarely works.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
But a college level course on the history of Christianity might be instructive. The chapters of the text could include the following:
I. Self-Contradictions In The Bible
II. Errors of Scientific Fact In The Bible
III. Anthropology and Biblical Myths.
IV. Crusades And Holy Wars - "Kill Em All, Let God Sort Them Out"
V. The Inquisitions
VI. Witch Burning At Salem
VII. Scapegoating Jews: Christian Antisemitism
VIII. Demeaning Gays: Christian Homophobia
IX. Marginalizing and Dehumanizing skeptics: Christian homophobia
X. Oppressing Women: Christian Misogyny
XI. Sexual Constipation
XII. Christian Misanthropy - Mankind Is A Useless Disappointment
XIII. Christian Antiscientism
Maybe with an opening week long class focusing on the "Mythic Origins of Primitive Mans Religious Beliefs and Practices; Mountain, Sea, and Sky"

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#571697 Dec 9, 2012
lemme repost that...
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion doesn't need to be discussed in public schools at all, no more than sports or movies.
Yeah, and I agree.

You know, at times I think the most difficult endeavor on this thread is to try and keep a discussion going with an individual, and sometimes that works, but only rarely. Even with offering a give and take approach, by suggesting a new direction for the conversation or by tossing a new concept out there in hopes that it will bring forth some different thought or commentary.

This is what Ar Ar had to say in response to the above:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In the context of a public school setting, you're right.
As long as the subject is religion, the teacher MUST keep their own opinions out of it and simply teach the "facts" of said religion.
(Then when the students walk out, he/she can pray to God while looking at the cross hung over the door.)
:p
It rarely works.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
But a college level course on the history of Christianity might be instructive. The chapters of the text could include the following:
I. Self-Contradictions In The Bible
II. Errors of Scientific Fact In The Bible
III. Anthropology and Biblical Myths.
IV. Crusades And Holy Wars - "Kill Em All, Let God Sort Them Out"
V. The Inquisitions
VI. Witch Burning At Salem
VII. Scapegoating Jews: Christian Antisemitism
VIII. Demeaning Gays: Christian Homophobia
IX. Marginalizing and Dehumanizing skeptics: Christian homophobia
X. Oppressing Women: Christian Misogyny
XI. Sexual Constipation
XII. Christian Misanthropy - Mankind Is A Useless Disappointment
XIII. Christian Antiscientism
Maybe with an opening week long class focusing on the "Mythic Origins of Primitive Mans Religious Beliefs and Practices; Mountain, Sea, and Sky"
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#571698 Dec 9, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/top stories/TOCO8TEGNA8I5JT63/post 571593
<quoted text>
Is this the same sock as "Evil-Lotion" and "God Himself"? The "absolute truth" sophistry sure makes it sound like it is.
probably,,,also used to be SirDoc and Chunky and LieBuster and Incest lesbo and JustResults etc etc ,,
mental weirdo indeed

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#571699 Dec 9, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong, there have been people and there are people in this world that are too good. They honestly don't want anything, but it's a very hard state to reach, so people like that are very hard to find.
I think that good people that do things with no thought of getting anything in return, are rewarded by the feeling of satisfaction that they are unselfishly and unanimously helping others. That gives them a good feeling about themselves, which can be considered their 'purpose' for doing it. Every action has something to motivate it, whether good or bad, so the motivation is a good feeling for these good givers. I suspect if they got no satisfaction, they would not do it.

An example of that would be Mother Teresa, IMO, who spent much of her life working with the poor in India, even though she also spent much of that time questioning her own faith, which was disclosed after she died, by those who she had confided in during her life. I suspect she enjoyed the fame she had worldwide, but felt somewhat stuck in a lifestyle that did not give her the joy she had wanted, because she did not have the courage to disappoint all the people who believed in her, or to lose her reputation in her church and the world.

Though she did a lot of good for people she also did a lot of harm too, because she spread the RC belief of not using birth control, which is something that the people she worked with badly needed, as high birth rates were a terrible problem there.

Basically our own opinion of ourselves is the only thing that really affects us in our lives anyway, though for many our opinions of ourselves is very dependent on the feedback of others. Even if we are evil and want the worship or the respect of others, we are still motivated by what makes us feel important to ourselves. I doubt many people do bad things so they feel badly, as it is human nature to avoid personal upset. Saddam Hussein or Hitler were not evil men all their lives, because they got a bad feeling from being evil, but rather they did it because they got a good feeling by the power and control they had over the lives of others. They are some of the ultimate bullies.

I am a person who has very much been controlled by how others perceive me, because I am embarrassed by disapproval, so I consciously or unconsciously try to do the 'right' thing so as to not upset anyone else (places such as this may be exceptions because I can hide behind my computer screen). This has been exacerbated in my past by an inordinate amount of criticism from adults for various things I did 'wrong', and/or a lot of bullying by peers in the lower grades of school, so that I tried to not rock the boat, so to speak, to avoid making the bullying worse than it already was.

In a group of three people for example, I may have been well liked by my two friends, but they always called the shots, because I feared to try to lead because of my fear of their not approving what I wanted. A word for that is 'wimp' That would describe much of my 1st marriage which lasted 31 years before separation. I kind of associate all that as a result of the bullying I got when young, because I coped by cooperating, and that became a learned habit.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#571700 Dec 9, 2012
scaritual wrote:
You know, at times I think the most difficult endeavor on this thread is to try and keep a discussion going with an individual, and sometimes that works, but only rarely. Even with offering a give and take approach, by suggesting a new direction for the conversation or by tossing a new concept out there in hopes that it will bring forth some different thought or commentary.
There are less than a handful of Christians that can maintain a civil conversation about their religion. Lately, I have had three Christians that started out civil eventually break down and get personal and hostile over my opinions about faith, their bible, their doctrine, and their church.

I guess I understand. We attack what is most cherished to them, Now that the Internet gives us a safe place to express them, they're hearing what we think of their church, and they seem shocked. Since they have always had the freedom to demean and marginalize us unopposed, they're not used to hearing our thoughts.

They will. Watch as our ideas replace theirs. It seems inevitable to me that their ideas will become progressively more socially unacceptable and evoke increasingly more contempt and ridicule over the next few decades. Eventually, that will silence them. I expect that there will be a closet available soon ready for immediate occupancy.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#571701 Dec 9, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
Only stupid people say that.
There is certainly no sense in faith in something that very well may not exist because there is absolutely no evidence of it existing. We can have faith in things that we do have some evidence to support but are not guaranteed. For example most of us board an airplane based on our faith that the pilots and the plane will get us to our destination unharmed, and that is based on evidence that planes and pilots have done that many times in the past. However like that American singer who died early today in Mexico, one time she had faith in the plane and pilots was the wrong time.

On the other hand if we boarded a plane not having any confidence at all in the pilots, and knowing the plane came from a line of planes that had a high crash rate, but we decided to pray to God, for which there is no evidence of His existence, and got on the plane assured in our own minds that God would do whatever was His will for us, we would be damned fools.

Kind of like the allied solders storming the shores of France during WWII knowing that they were walking or running towards almost certain death, which a lot of them experienced, but prayed that God would spared them (assuming some wasted the time to pray). Many of them were likely very devoutly Christian soldiers, but they still died, because no God was going to stop all the bullets from lots of German machine guns in front of which they were basically sitting ducks. Those who made it to shore and lived to fight another day, were just fortunate that none of the bullets happened to have hit them.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#571702 Dec 9, 2012
boooots wrote:
An example of that would be Mother Teresa, IMO, who spent much of her life working with the poor in India, even though she also spent much of that time questioning her own faith, which was disclosed after she died, by those who she had confided in during her life. I suspect she enjoyed the fame she had worldwide, but felt somewhat stuck in a lifestyle that did not give her the joy she had wanted, because she did not have the courage to disappoint all the people who believed in her, or to lose her reputation in her church and the world.

Though she did a lot of good for people she also did a lot of harm too, because she spread the RC belief of not using birth control, which is something that the people she worked with badly needed, as high birth rates were a terrible problem there.
Mother Teresa's greatest crimes were the fraud and sadism that her church convinced her to facilitate. Take a look at the following if you will, and then please tell me what you think about Mother Teresa and her church:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#571703 Dec 9, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that good people that do things with no thought of getting anything in return, are rewarded by the feeling of satisfaction that they are unselfishly and unanimously helping others. That ..........lead because of my fear of their not approving what I wanted. A word for that is 'wimp' That would describe much of my 1st marriage which lasted 31 years before separation. I kind of associate all that as a result of the bullying I got when young, because I coped by cooperating, and that became a learned habit.
Thank you very much for that!! I agree with that, but when i read sikh faith or history sometimes i feel that they gave up their lives coz they felt as if it was their duty to help people.

I never knew about the RC thing being linked to her.

Nah, I've never been a wimp, I don't normally pick on people or hit them, but to protect myself or people I care about, I sometimes open the cage to let the tiger out, lol.:-)

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#571704 Dec 9, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Mother Teresa's greatest crimes were the fraud and sadism that her church convinced her to facilitate. Take a look at the following if you will, and then please tell me what you think about Mother Teresa and her church:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
OMG, I respected her too, why would she even say this?

"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people." – Mother Teresa

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#571705 Dec 9, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
yh, how?
That's good ya know coz i thought u was a guy too but i got scared when that poster called u a she.
They have to chew before swallowing.

Yeah I get that a lot , but you know sometimes Jessie is a girl.
And Aura is a guy.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#571706 Dec 9, 2012
BadBreathBruce wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution is not scientific, it is a THEORY. And you SURE ARE right there about atheism - it's NOT an academic subject, and therefore ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be in any school curriculum!! With religion, there IS a deity, a book (e.g. the Holy Bible in Christianity), so therefore there is something to teach. Atheism is the ABSENCE of a god and therefore we cannot learn ANYTHING from it. As for evolution, if we as humans are evolving physically and mentally, then WHY are we not EVOLVING MORALLY and ETHICALLY?? Because MORALLY, ETHICALLY, and in the way of our VALUES, we humans are DETERIORATING RAPIDLY. According to EVOLUTION (EVILUTION??), we should have EVOLVED MORALLY throughout those "millions of years" to the point where NOW, WE as HUMANS should be DAMN WELL BE NEAR SAINTLY!! WHY is our morality going the OPPOSITE WAY?? CREATION says the OPPOSITE has been happening all this time i.e. we're getting morally worse. Read your newspaper headlines, or watch the news on TV, on the Net (or hear it on the radio) and you'll see/hear what I mean.
we do appear to be evolving morality, I think religion is holding us back.

We can hope for the day we evolve sufficiently that we no longer employ mythology as an understanding of morality

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#571707 Dec 9, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
They have to chew before swallowing.
Yeah I get that a lot , but you know sometimes Jessie is a girl.
And Aura is a guy.
eewwwwwwwwwwwww, oh lol.

hang on, jessie is a boys name and Aura a girls?
fengwenshu

Chengdu, China

#571708 Dec 9, 2012
early Shakespeare weigh philosophy criticize Chinese Translation









"Eastern new birth Philosopher-emperor Kong Xiangxin outlines, comments Shakespearean's early work "



Humanity's self-sovereignty will is the Heaven gives .

Literature, art, is that writers and artists have weighed myself and the world's post.

makes independent thinking, understanding, explanation and perception, in Affection expression_r&#65292;

——Quote from Kong Xiang Xin 's work " Balance Ism Philosophy"

----------

William Shakespeare (AD 1564/4/23--1616/4/23), the European RenaissanceThe greatest genius of the playwright. poet-----

Shakespeare was born in central England that the river Avon Stratford town a wealthy family, Ancestor is the farmer.

Shakespeare's father manage glove , agriculture,Had held the post of local congressman and chief executive that Sitelafu keeps down.

Shakespeare when childhood, some famous theatrical troupes, Every year from London ,Comes to the Sitelafu town Perform,

This makes little Shakespeare, to produce the love of the theater &#65292;Shakespeare had read grammar school ,

Is a Roman poetry and drama, so that Shakespeare had a formal art of enlightenment.

Afterward,,Shakespeare's father went bankrupt, by now, Shakespeare had to drop out of school to earn a living.

When Shakespeare 18 years old, Shakespeare and marries compared to a oneself big 8 year-old woman.

after more than a half year, has given birth to this to husbands' and wives' big

daughter.

Because of this incident&#65292;That Shakespeare blames a wife is dirty on before marriage.
fengwenshu

Chengdu, China

#571709 Dec 9, 2012
His wife was satirizes actually, ridicule poor Shakespeare, Shakespeare's father, bankruptcy,

This makes Shakespeare great perplexed, depression, Only when attentive read home collection of books , forget self agony.

Shakespeare do this, his wife, blame, call names Shakespeare is more fiercer, crueler.





and the decline of the family, Wife never stops the blame , call names to Shakespeare,

So that Shakespeare's own sovereignty will, Been a heavy Oppression.

Shakespeare's comedy "Twelfth Night" he wrote: "A woman is always going to marry a larger than her own men,

She and her husband will be able to harmony,Her husband's mind to maintain balance, tranquility".

As the social position of Shakespeare's family dropped to the lowest point, love has been destroyed&#65292;People is ridiculed, satirizing Shakespeare&#65292;

Such very bad environment, force Shakespeare to use ego to balance wisdom , the ability, Pairs of Shakespeare's infinite innermost pain&#65292;

have accepted people's heavy insulting , non-free life.

In 1585, Shakespeare made a decision&#65292; alone to London to develop their own&#65292;

A free, happy life.

After London, by now, Shakespeare by oneself that long, must become in the world unprecedented great, immortal, the lofty cultural hero's most intense hope,

must creates for the humanity never the highest happiness, perpetuates the comfort this most beautiful hope flaming is burning chest's Shakespeare,

to realize oneself that to create greatly, immortal, surpassed all ancient times play's longest illusion, was being full of the great fervor, the life vigor youth, the beautiful gentry dream.

Despite such fanciful Shakespeare, ambitious Superman's dream, but Shakespeare or a mortal, this lives in sun's Shrine enjoys immortal's good wine phoenix.

but must lay down own wing, back to earth from the sky, onto for an unknown ordinary people,worry for their own clothing, food, housing, the transportation .

create for the own future great play, and accumulated experience of life and drama, strength, practice itself bravely in the daily life to people's universal love, make their sentiments perfectly .

But one who, despite being the world's most outstanding moral, ethical ,that but must this person be able to grasp firmly, controls own destiny, By their King.

But one should grasp firmly master their own destiny,own are own king,

must uphold, full utilization, displays own self-sovereignty will.

Only in this way, this person will not make non-justice forces of slaves.

If a person not self-sovereignty will, that person must want to practice own outstanding moral, ethical , is extremely difficult.

It's like a man in the big desert without water,this person must breed fish , is extremely difficult to achieve.

By fengwenshu

Chinese Translation British

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#571711 Dec 9, 2012
Clementia wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong, there have been people and there are people in this world that are too good. They honestly don't want anything, but it's a very hard state to reach, so people like that are very hard to find.
I actually believe that altruism is commoner than most people think.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#571712 Dec 9, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
There are some major problems with "Yoda logic".
Yoda says, "Do, or do not. There is no try."
It's a false dichotomy.
Trying, and failing, is not the same thing as not trying, and getting the same result. Doing without trying, is not the same as trying, and getting the same result.
Hehehe. I knew I liked you.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#571713 Dec 9, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>... You don't appear to provide any posts of any great intelligence.
It's amusing that you think that YOU DO.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#571714 Dec 9, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Becoming physically fit is the first step.
It's not difficult, but requires a goal, commitment, and adhering to a routine.
Okay, that sounds like work.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#571715 Dec 9, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Who are you quoting?
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
OK.
<quoted text>
I don't know. What?
<quoted text>
OK.
How many total socks do you use?
It's a POE, you moron. Probably, HFY.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#571716 Dec 9, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Though probably you are correct in terms of what was intended, the word lightening has many meanings, one of which is to "give off flashes of lightning". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lightening
Sometimes people tend to make issues with spelling errors and typos that really don't affect the topic being discussed particularly.
The main effect of continuous use of misspelled words is one of the means by which one of our greatest deceivers on these threads has been caught several times in a lie, using the very same misspelled words and the same manner of using the words under different names which they claimed were not the same poster, but as it turned out they were the same poster, which they eventually admitted to.
So it is not so much that people can't understand what a person means if they misspell a word or make a typo, but whether repeating the same error many times may give away some secrets.
Oh holy fk! More meandering from the resident OC.

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