OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570856 Dec 7, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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well except that it is the law......they just barred a nativity scene in Santa Monica because it was on public/gov't land. Of course the Christian Taliban fought it in court...AND LOST
so now it is being displayed on PRIVATE LAND
one has to wonder
WHY DID THEY WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME AND MONEY.....WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST PUT THE DISPLAY UP ON PRIVATE LAND TO BEGIN WITH....
oh yeah that would involve logic...something religious fundamentalists seem to be lacking
It's not just that displaying it on private land to begin with would be logical; it's that the fundies are trying to force their beliefs onto others in their pathetic attempt to turn our secular nation into a theocracy.

It's a type of domestic terrorism.

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#570857 Dec 7, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
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No they're not.
Not on public property.
I pay taxes too.
Public schools are funded by property tax, not your insignificant sales tax on bongs.

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#570858 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Then do NOT talk to me.
Not MY problem that you can't understand that while I was born into the religion of Judaism, I am a non-practicing Jew but that doesn't make my born religion any less than that of Jewish.
I don't believe in the OT any more than I do the NT, but for like the gazillionth time, I accept and respect my HERITAGE as a result of being Jewish.
What is truly pointless is your existence on this planet. You're useless.
You're not Jewish. You're a deist. You said so.

You can't be Jewish and a deist.

Except when it suits your argument, huh?

Jeweist.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570859 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I didn't twist it, I explained it to you.
You need to re-read the following- or perhaps it's read it for the very first time; I suspect it IS the latter:

“But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

Don't tell me that is in reference to acts of war, you LIAR.

"person", "someone", "him".

And are you saying your Jesus is instructing you to not defend yourself in a WAR????

You're pathetic.

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#570860 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>IDIOT. But as I am running, I am getting closer to the store.
Not completing a task- such as raking leaves- does not mean the task has not begun or is not underway.
Some tasks seem pointless, like raking leaves.

Some tasks are pointless, like trying to remove God.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570861 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Public schools are funded by property tax, not your insignificant sales tax on bongs.
It doesn't matter WHAT type of tax public schools are funded with.

Not ALL homeowners are CHRISTIAN, RR- and not even all Christian homeowners would be in favor of religious displays in PUBLIC schools.

The POINT is that public schools ARE funded with PUBLIC tax dollars.

The source of those dollars is IRRELEVANT- all that matters is that they are PUBLIC tax dollars.

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#570862 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Some good American RR is, huh?
He's the type of "good" American the terrorists cheer on.
Yes I am, thanks.

Unlike you & Aero, who would circumvent the constitution and force teachers to take down religious material.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570863 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're not Jewish. You're a deist. You said so.
You can't be Jewish and a deist.
Except when it suits your argument, huh?
Jeweist.
Again, you know NOTHING about Judaism and therefore you don't know that being Jewish is more than just being of a certain religion.

Has nothing to do with suiting my argument or not.

Don't bother me with this anymore.

I can't STAND people as insufferably ignorant about Judaism as you are.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570864 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Some tasks seem pointless, like raking leaves.
Some tasks are pointless, like trying to remove God.
While raking leaves may SEEM pointless, it's not.

To say they keep coming so why bother is STUPID.

You might as well say there is no point in cleaning the house because it's just going to get dirty again.

You might as well say there is no point in washing your car because it's just going to get dirty again.

You might as well say there is no point in showering because you're going to get dirty again.

And....your self-inflicted persecution complex does not go unnoticed, RR.

NO ONE is trying to "remove" religion or a BELIEF in a god.

However, you trying to FOIST religion and YOUR belief in YOUR god onto others and in PUBLIC places is not only against the law, it is inappropriate.

Don't like it?

Tough. MOVE TO A THEOCRACY already, will ya?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570865 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes I am, thanks.
Unlike you & Aero, who would circumvent the constitution and force teachers to take down religious material.
No, you're not.

I am not forcing teachers to take down anything. That would be the SCOTUS.

It is YOU who is trying to circumvent our constitution, RR. You have really little- if any at all- respect for the founding tenets of the USA.

Get the F*CK out! You are a TRAITOR to all this nation was founded upon and you are not deserving of the rights, freedoms and liberties afforded us upon the founding of this nation.

Since: Jul 12

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#570866 Dec 7, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>It depends on how it is displayed and what that display is used for, so, yes, "expressly forbidden" is a non-starter. A teacher may wear a cross necklace, for example, but can not use it to prosyletize. Crosses can not be used as classroom decorations in US public schools. This has been substantiated and upheld by the courts.
See, e. g., Aguillard, 482 U. S. 578; Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U. S. 602 (1971).
Displays of religious symbols, texts or artwork on school property are impermissible unless a display is integrated into an appropriate secular curriculum.
52 See Stone v. Graham, 449 U. S. 39, 42 (1980); ACLU of Kentucky v. McCreary County, 354 F.
Your use of the term "expressly forbidden" is dissemblance of the third kind, since you know that a teacher may wear personal jewelry and religious symbols may be part of secular curriculum, but, you also know that religious displays, artwork, and prosyletizing are "expressly forbidden". Parsing words is inherently dishonest.
Aguillard, 482 U. S. 578; Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U. S. 602 (1971) is about teaching creationism, not religious decorations in schools.

Stone v. Graham, 449 U. S. 39, 42 (1980); ACLU of Kentucky v. McCreary County, 354 F is about having the 10 commandments posted ins Kentucky courthouse, not religious decorations in schools.

"expressly forbidden" wasn't *my* term...

Try again?

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#570867 Dec 7, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Rednecks can't understand cultural Jews. They never had a really good bagel with a schmear.
Stereotype much?

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#570868 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Huh, as you seem to be new here- and already a welcome addition, btw- do NOT assume RiversideRedneck knows ANYTHING and certainly don't assume he knows what you very accurately posted.
But you are right in saying that RR is "inherently dishonest"- to that, I would only add "as the day is long". Even though the longest day of the year is no match for how very inherently dishonest he is.
Yes, he very accurately posted two courts rulings irrelevant to the discussion...

And you blindly agreed...

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570869 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Stereotype much?
OMG- look who's talking- MR. MAJOR STEREOTYPING of ANY and ALL he is clueless about and doesn't understand.

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#570870 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Your explanation was WRONG. You claimed your Jesus instructed you to turn the other cheek regarding acts of war but not in one on one confrontations.
What a crock.
In that scripture, the following words appear: "Him", "Person", "Someone".
The above words refer to an INDIVIDUAL and have nothing to do with acts of war- at least not in the sense you meant it with your moronic and erroneous "explanation".
At the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance.

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#570871 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I AM Jewish. That is the religion I was born INTO and unless I undergo a formal conversion to another religion, that will never change whether I am a practicing Jew or not.
Again, because you are ignorant about Judaism and what not only the RELIGION is all about but also what Judaism is all about on a cultural level and regarding one's heritage, you can't begin to understand the phrase "Once a Jew, always a Jew"- and that would apply even if I did undergo a formal conversion to another religion.
I can't really fault you for your ignorance other than your lack of desire to learn, but this issue is something that is really only best understood among Jews.
You're a hypocrite.

You can't be a Jew and a deist.

It's on or the other.

Or you're a Jeweist.

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#570872 Dec 7, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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so if a teacher displayed a satanic pentagram or other devil worshiping symbols, you'd be okay with that???
somehow I think you're lying about a Muslim crescent, so I very much doubt you'd sanction anything to do with devil worship
I wouldn't like to see the Muslim crescent or a pentagram, but the teacher has the right to display them.

I would fight for their right to do it.

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#570873 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, you IGNORANT American- it IS the law.
Public schools are NOT allowed to display ANY religious items- nor should they be.
Don't like it? Sorry- that you don't like it doesn't make it any less the LAW, you CRAPPY anti-American.
That's you opinion.

The constitution agrees with me.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#570874 Dec 7, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Aguillard, 482 U. S. 578; Lemon v. Kurtzman, 403 U. S. 602 (1971) is about teaching creationism, not religious decorations in schools.
Stone v. Graham, 449 U. S. 39, 42 (1980); ACLU of Kentucky v. McCreary County, 354 F is about having the 10 commandments posted ins Kentucky courthouse, not religious decorations in schools.
"expressly forbidden" wasn't *my* term...
Try again?
Sigh.....you're such an anal-retentive fool.

General Rule: Displays of religious symbols, texts or artwork on school property are impermissible unless a display is integrated into an appropriate secular curriculum. 52 The fact that a display is donated by a private group or paid for by private funds will not affect whether it is permissible under the Establishment Clause. 53

May a school permanently display the Ten Commandments within classrooms or on school property?******No.***** A temporary display of the Ten Commandments integrated into a secular curriculum such as history or comparative religion may be permissible.

54 However, the Ten Commandments are "undeniably" a religious text, and the Supreme Court and a number of lower courts evaluating permanent displays of the Ten Commandments have found that such displays have a predominantly religious purpose and ******violate the Establishment Clause.****** 55

May a school permanently display religious artwork within classrooms or on school property?*****No.*****

Similar to displays of the Ten Commandments, a temporary display of religious artwork integrated into a secular curriculum may be permissible.******However, courts also have found that permanent displays of religious artwork have a predominantly religious purpose and violate the Establishment Clause.******* 56

http://www.adl.org/religion_ps_2004/property....

"The duty to uphold the Constitution is a fundamental difference between public schools and religious schools.

*****While government-sponsored schools must stay neutral (often called separation of church and state),***** private schools are not similarly bound. The contrast is stark: parochial and religious schools openly inculcate religion while teaching reading, writing, and mathematics."

Among the issues that have reached the High Court:

Can a school district allow students to conduct prayers over the loudspeaker and before kickoff at a varsity football game?(No)
Does a religious student club get the same rights and privileges as other student clubs?(Yes)
Is a school district required to give equal access to an outside organizations that provide after-school religious instruction to young children?(Yes)
Is a moment of silence really a cloaking device for prayer?(Sometimes)
Are the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance unconstitutional in schools?(Undecided)

http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-...

Stop your annoying whining already, will ya?

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#570875 Dec 7, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>How about getting your head out of your ass and taking a look at post #570837?
And WHY do you ask others to do your research for you?
If you don't believe that is the law, look it UP for your lazy ASS self, you lazy ASS.
If there was such a law, you the google liver would've posted it by now....

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