Prove there's a god.
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571324 Dec 8, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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let's stick to facts
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/06...
Chimpanzees now have to share the distinction of being our closest living relative in the animal kingdom. An international team of researchers has sequenced the genome of the bonobo for the first time, confirming that it shares the same percentage of its DNA with us as chimps do. The team also found some small but tantalizing differences in the genomes of the three species—differences that may explain how bonobos and chimpanzees don't look or act like us even though we share about 99% of our DNA.
"We're so closely related genetically, yet our behavior is so different," says team member and computational biologist Janet Kelso of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. "This will allow us to look for the genetic basis of what makes modern humans different from both bonobos and chimpanzees."
The international sequencing effort led from Max Planck chose a bonobo named Ulindi from the Leipzig Zoo as its subject, partly because she was a female (the chimp genome was of a male). The analysis of Ulindi's complete genome, reported online today in Nature, reveals that bonobos and chimpanzees share 99.6% of their DNA. This confirms that these two species of African apes are still highly similar to each other genetically, even though their populations split apart in Africa about 1 million years ago, perhaps after the Congo River formed and divided an ancestral population into two groups. Today, bonobos are found in only the Democratic Republic of Congo and there is no evidence that they have interbred with chimpanzees in equatorial Africa since they diverged, perhaps because the Congo River acted as a barrier to prevent the groups from mixing. The researchers also found that bonobos share about 98.7% of their DNA with humans—about the same amount that chimps share with us.
When the Max Planck scientists compared the bonobo genome directly with that of chimps and humans, however, they found that a small bit of our DNA, about 1.6%, is shared with only the bonobo, but not chimpanzees. And we share about the same amount of our DNA with only chimps, but not bonobos. These differences suggest that the ancestral population of apes that gave rise to humans, chimps, and bonobos was quite large and diverse genetically—numbering about 27,000 breeding individuals. Once the ancestors of humans split from the ancestor of bonobos and chimps more than 4 million years ago, the common ancestor of bonobos and chimps retained this diversity until their population completely split into two groups 1 million years ago. The groups that evolved into bonobos, chimps, and humans all retained slightly different subsets of this ancestral population's diverse gene pool—and those differences now offer clues today to the size and range of diversity in that ancestral group.
All of this because your dad looks like a rat. So, you are inclined ot believe that your oldest ancestor is a 200 million year old Jurassic rat. No wonder atheists also believe that an eternity as dirt is the destiny they die for, since humans also share DNA with dirt.

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#571325 Dec 8, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
let's stick to facts
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/06...
Chimpanzees now have to share the distinction of being our closest living relative in the animal kingdom. An international team of researchers has sequenced the genome of the bonobo for the first time, confirming that it shares the same percentage of its DNA with us as chimps do. The team also found some small but tantalizing differences in the genomes of the three species—differences that may explain how bonobos and chimpanzees don't look or act like us even though we share about 99% of our DNA.
Even your geneticists disagree with each other...

"Everybody knows that humans' closest animal relatives are chimpanzees.

At least, that's been the accepted wisdom among scientists for more than 30 years. But now two biologists are arguing that orangutans, not chimps, are our closest cousins."

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/.../debate-rages-humans-...

But I said potato, which isn't animal life. Did you know that humans share a 50% similarity to a banana & 60% to a fruit fly?

Of course, according to you, that all happened ny accident...
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571326 Dec 8, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>I am not a-theist. I just can not subscribe to your cult's beliefs.
You simply refuse to see the truth of actuality. Others are more informed and not affected by your indoctrination. The fact that you are intellectually inhibited is your loss, and not the fault of others.
I have never even considered Kersey Graves as any kind of athority on anything. That is a strawman in the making by you.
So, you have a cult of your own delusion, so your point is made. However, you build a straw chick argument out of thin straws and mud. You cowardly assert nothing, out of fear of your own delusions being shredded and that is indeed your fault.
Think About It

Magalia, CA

#571327 Dec 8, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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Ahh, I see, you want to believe the Jesus fish(symbol) has only ever been used in that way. It hasn't and the usage predates the Christian use.
That's fine, however, since that symbol doesn't change the fact of evolution, and you find that a point of contention.
Sure, the Darwin fish doesn't need to be there.
I just asked my son if he's seen one at his school, and he says no.
Do you have enough faith in your son to believe he is telling you the truth?

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#571328 Dec 8, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh, I see, you want to believe the Jesus fish(symbol) has only ever been used in that way. It hasn't and the usage predates the Christian use.
That's fine, however, since that symbol doesn't change the fact of evolution, and you find that a point of contention.
Sure, the Darwin fish doesn't need to be there.
I just asked my son if he's seen one at his school, and he says no.
Well that's good. At a parent/teacher conference a few years ago, my sons science teacher had one proudly displayed on his desk. I said nothing to him, my son or the school. That is his right to display a mockery of Jesus, even if I disagreed with it. Later I asked my son if religion ever came up in class & he said no.

I never said nor implied that the Jesus fish has always been a Christian symbol, but it has been for 2,000 years. It's ours now, not the ancient Romans.

Which fact of evolution are you referring to?

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#571329 Dec 8, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>I am not a-theist. I just can not subscribe to your cult's beliefs.
You simply refuse to see the truth of actuality. Others are more informed and not affected by your indoctrination. The fact that you are intellectually inhibited is your loss, and not the fault of others.
I have never even considered Kersey Graves as any kind of athority on anything. That is a strawman in the making by you.
Your strawman argument is now "more informed and not affected by your indoctrination".

You know more, therefore you don't have to believe in God, therefore my belief in God must be false.

Right?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#571330 Dec 8, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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Ummmm, where was evolution theory before it was theorised? Evolution theory is just like a media analysis technique: it is nothing but an attempt to interpret.
Your reference to the characters of individuals who are less than virtuous in no way undermines the reality of God or disprove His existence. A cheap shot in the truest sense.
I would have to say that "evolution theory" was first a hypothesis emanating from the observance of the world around us by inquisitive individuals seeking answers. The evidence collected was then tested and verified as experiment and only then was it considered a viable theory. There was and is no intent on the part of science to prove or disprove any "supernatural", as it can not even enter into the equation as verifiable or viable as a testable element of experiment.
Why do you keep trying to intermingle the two when they are not even compatible or comparable in experiment...unless you are being less than honest.

RiversideRedneck

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#571331 Dec 8, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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Then you'd agree that presenting the origins and mythologies associated with religions would be the appropriate way to present such a class.
That's all that can be said of any mythological religion and they all fall into that category - myth.
In the context of a public school setting, you're right.

As long as the subject is religion, the teacher MUST keep their own opinions out of it and simply teach the "facts" of said religion.

(Then when the students walk out, he/she can pray to God while looking at the cross hung over the door.)

:p

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#571332 Dec 8, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would have to say that "evolution theory" was first a hypothesis emanating from the observance of the world around us by inquisitive individuals seeking answers. The evidence collected was then tested and verified as experiment and only then was it considered a viable theory. There was and is no intent on the part of science to prove or disprove any "supernatural", as it can not even enter into the equation as verifiable or viable as a testable element of experiment.
Why do you keep trying to intermingle the two when they are not even compatible or comparable in experiment...unless you are being less than honest.
Nice post. Answer me this, would ya?

"There was and is no intent on the part of science to prove or disprove any "supernatural", as it can not even enter into the equation as verifiable or viable as a testable element of experiment."

I agree, then why do so many atheists try to say that science disproves any and all gods?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#571333 Dec 8, 2012
God Himself wrote:
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What truth are you referring to?
How did you arrive at truth by scientific means?
Science does not acknowledge "truth" so take that word out of your vocabulary when you partake in science related discussion.
Placing a religious symbol over a door does not exorcise all other religions; it merely implies that the religion that the symbol belongs to is the one the people in that place adhere to.
Adhering to one religion does not mean exorcising all others.
If a teacher placed an Islamic sign over a door instead of the cross, I would have no problem as long as the teacher doesnt attempt to instil in my child that Islam is the ONLY right/good religion.
Your expectations and responses to situations are your own personal constructs; NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU (Thank God!).
Boy...are you ever in the wrong boat.
Placing a religious symbol in a classroom has nothing to do with science, and everything to do with espousing a preference to religious bias on the part of the teacher-and therefore the establishment which the teacher represents.
Not everyone is like you!
Thank the stars.
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571334 Dec 8, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh, I see, you want to believe the Jesus fish(symbol) has only ever been used in that way. It hasn't and the usage predates the Christian use.
That's fine, however, since that symbol doesn't change the fact of evolution, and you find that a point of contention.
Sure, the Darwin fish doesn't need to be there.
I just asked my son if he's seen one at his school, and he says no.
Sad, just sad, you see, then your confusion must be less than 200 years old, since it can not predate Darwin. But, your anger over your eternal fate is kind of weird, seeing as the wiccan religion uses Hindu, Roman, Egptian, pagan and native american gods. Sorry I must bust your bubble, but there are no religions or scriptures older than the Mosaic writings. Don't get ocnfused by Christianity, it is not a religion. It is actually, the relationship with God that the Jews wrote about, Islam teaches and the Hindus seek over and over in what they call reincarnation.
You really need to keep your eye on your own paper, you are failing your test and there are no mulligans. When you fail the test, it is over.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#571335 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I think atheists teach their kids how "ridiculous" religion is and show them their "proof" that religion is myth, hocus pocus, fairy takes, etc.
They don't want their child to see a cross, ask questions and get into a religious debate with the atheist parent.
They want to completely hide religion from the child's eyes, so that by the time they're able to make their own decisions, mom & dad (or mom & mom, dad & dad lol) have successfully indoctrinated the child into never being Ar to believe in any religion.
I tend to agree with you.

Atheists are as ignorant about religious concepts as Christians like myself (I may be called one) are ignorant about evolutionary concepts.

Some of the most vital concept that encourage harmony between the man and society and even man and the universe is embodied in religious concepts.

For example, the 'cross' represent the idea of absolute equity: the vertical line represents the relationship "as above, so below", while the horizontal line represents "as on the left, so on the right".

Now that reminds mankind to practice equity in his thoughts as well as his actions, for the world in which he exists is the product of equality in action and existence it is continually moving towards states of equality. By thinking and acting with equity man becomes at harmony with himself, his fellow men and the entire universe. It says in Mark 1:1-8 "Prepare and make his path straight/even/level".

But those so called atheists never see such implications, they never see any positive development or contributions made by religions or belief systems such as that.

They only use science as is convenient for them, and neglect the possibly of any reality outside of what they define/describe.
Think About It

Magalia, CA

#571336 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post. Answer me this, would ya?
"There was and is no intent on the part of science to prove or disprove any "supernatural", as it can not even enter into the equation as verifiable or viable as a testable element of experiment."
I agree, then why do so many atheists try to say that science disproves any and all gods?
Cause they don't know what they are talking about.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#571337 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate you bring kind. It has, so far, been virtually a name-calling-less morning. It's nice for a change.
But I disagree with your assertion that Jesus was plagiarized from Krishna. If you compare the actual, biblical texts, they are different.
If you take a look, you will note that Jesus was a Nazarene. That is a sect of the Essenes. The Essenes derived(inherited) their doctrine from the teachings of Christna and others of India.
That is not "plagiarizing"-it is evolution and adaptation of theistic doctrine and beliefs....just as the christian split off from the "universal" church of Constantine...which was one of many differing factions of belief depending on ethnics, geographical contexts, and the interference of governmental rule.
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571338 Dec 8, 2012
Alexander of Earth wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no versions of evolution. Both are part of evolution. And both are fact. Both are taught in schools and high schools.
Why would you lie about something when only truth is valid. Perhaps you are only 15 and you have not learned the different versions of evolution. Perhaps you did not watch evolution evolve by virtue of many strawman arguments. The ape was once said to be our direct ancestor, now they say the ape shares a common ancestor. They said that a cosmic soup bubbled up and spit us out. They also said that we were once fish. The latest statement is that our oldest ancestor is a 200 million year Old Jurassic rat.

Just sad, does it hurt, you know, yur desperation to make an unfounded theory turn into a fact. But, let mehelp you even further, your ancestors once claimed it was a scientific fact that the world was flat.

Jimmy the Crickets, your evolution myth and stories have so many holes in it that it needs a life raft. Here, try Christianity, at least you can not disprove it, you know since it is out of your realm and in the supernatural realm.

But, you can however, continue to lie and say "Darwin said it". He didn't, but you don't care.
christianity is EVIL

Dartmouth, Canada

#571339 Dec 8, 2012
Think About It wrote:
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Hmmmm, I don't see the word 'separation' in the first amendment. Something you put in that isn't there?
to see you need to pull your head outta your arse first!

www.evilbible.com

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#571341 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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In other words, you acknowledge that God, Heaven, Hell, etc is beyond the scope of science and thus - beyond the scrutiny of science....
Of course it is(in that aspect).
It is also dishonest for any theist to present that any of that mentioned is actuality or fact. That is where I have a problem with it.
If there is no factual evidence for comparison or experiment, there is no definition of actuality that can be ascertained. Therefore the discussion is moot, except on a philosophical level...and that is where it belongs.
That IS a fact.
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571343 Dec 8, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I think atheists teach their kids how "ridiculous" religion is and show them their "proof" that religion is myth, hocus pocus, fairy takes, etc.
They don't want their child to see a cross, ask questions and get into a religious debate with the atheist parent.
They want to completely hide religion from the child's eyes, so that by the time they're able to make their own decisions, mom & dad (or mom & mom, dad & dad lol) have successfully indoctrinated the child into never being Ar to believe in any religion.
I wonder if that is why atheists abort and/or kill their own children. They have often said that the world is not fit for children. Perhaps, they fear that their child will find God and they will be confronted. Consider that, communist atheist N Korea, China and USSR have killed over 200 million of their own children (adults included)
Darwin was an ape

Santa Cruz, CA

#571344 Dec 8, 2012
christianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
to see you need to pull your head outta your arse first!
www.evilbible.com
If we did that, then we would no longer be able to look you in the eyes.
christianity is EVIL

Dartmouth, Canada

#571345 Dec 8, 2012
God Himself wrote:
<quoted text>
I tend to agree with you.
Atheists are as ignorant about religious concepts as Christians like myself (I may be called one) are ignorant about evolutionary concepts.
Some of the most vital concept that encourage harmony between the man and society and even man and the universe is embodied in religious concepts.
For example, the 'cross' represent the idea of absolute equity: the vertical line represents the relationship "as above, so below", while the horizontal line represents "as on the left, so on the right".
Now that reminds mankind to practice equity in his thoughts as well as his actions, for the world in which he exists is the product of equality in action and existence it is continually moving towards states of equality. By thinking and acting with equity man becomes at harmony with himself, his fellow men and the entire universe. It says in Mark 1:1-8 "Prepare and make his path straight/even/level".
But those so called atheists never see such implications, they never see any positive development or contributions made by religions or belief systems such as that.
They only use science as is convenient for them, and neglect the possibly of any reality outside of what they define/describe.
so you still have NO proof of god!

why are you here posting krap?

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