Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567480 Nov 30, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I will ask you AGAIN:
Why are you a person of such extremes that doesn't want to accept that with the sweet, also comes the bitter?
What do you mean?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567481 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I'm in the Wild West... I'm a bit looney that way. I'm stuck in the past & don't wanna move out of it. So what. I don't harm anyone.
"a bit looney"?!?

You are so far gone, baby, you ain't never comin' back!

Now get me another whiskey.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567482 Nov 30, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>BTW- not gonna scroll back, but last evening you said you were getting health insurance in January and that you hoped they could help you to quit smoking.
Er......that's kind of bizarre, RR- that's not their job or their thing.
There are TONS of quit-smoking programs and hotlines for all 50 states.
If you're serious about quitting, here's a start for you- having NOTHING at all to do with any health insurance company:
http://www.californiasmokershelpline.org/
http://www.tobaccofreeca.org/quit-smoking/how...
http://www.lung.org/associations/states/calif...
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/healthinfo/healthylivi...
http://www.dhcs.ca.gov/individuals/Pages/Quit...
Not sure why you would think it was the responsibility of function of health insurers to help you stop smoking.....it's not.
It's not? Then what are they there for?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567483 Nov 30, 2012
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know for sure about health insurers, but life insurance premiums are exceedingly much higher for smokers than non-smokers. I sued to sell insurance along with loans that I administered in the bank. Been a while since I have seen the tables, and they don't affect me as I am not a smoker.
I realize and sympathize with someone who took up smoking in past years before smoking became as popular as a no-no that is has been in more recent years, but it rather boggles my mind that anyone who has any form of contact with the outside world, and general information today, would ever smoke.
I guess my problem is not realizing that all minds are fully functional. Any possible sarcasm or criticism that might be detected in the statement is intentional.:)
It's hard to quit, boooots.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567484 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Was slavery ever considered a tradition? Certainly it was a right, but a tradition?
I always thought that would be pretty...uh...comedic from white people. You know, the granpa is supposed to say "When I was your age, we had to walk 5 miles to school. In snowdrifts 10 feet high. Uphill. Both ways!"

But, you know, at some point the Granpa had to say "When I was your age, I had people to do my laundry and make my lemonade. You never had it so easy." If I'm being rude, sorry.

It's your comment, was slavery a tradition? If we were honest, yes. If we would analyze our past discretions as a culture, the answer is invariably yes. Did we treat people in the worst possible way we can imagine? Yes, yes we did. Did we enslave people? Yes. Did we destroy whole cultures. For sure.

No group of people is free of such behavior - all have killed and enslaved. They don't make for good traditions, though. It's not like the Hawaiian tourism industry would be better for them admitting "yes, we used to have a caste system and we ate the worthless people at the bottom." That's just not the Aloha spirit, RR!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567485 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither have you.
(.Y.)
I have, actually. It's just beyond you. That's ok, my friend, I've come to accept your limitations and enjoy your sense of humor.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567486 Nov 30, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
You consider sex immoral? Are you celibate?
No. Yes.

Maybe.

Did I pass the interview?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567487 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to quit, boooots.
Try heroin. I hear that helps you get off cigarettes.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#567488 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
"a bit looney"?!?
You are so far gone, baby, you ain't never comin' back!
Now get me another whiskey.
Yes ma'am.

No, wait! That's "new school"!

You get ME a damn whiskey!

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567489 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean?
What do I mean? That while some parts of the bible could be perceived as good, other parts can rightly be perceived as bad.

While some of what the USA does can rightly be perceived as good, other things done by the USA can rightly be perceived as bad.

Got it now? Good=sweet and bad=bitter.

And along with the sweet, comes the bitter.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#567490 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I always thought that would be pretty...uh...comedic from white people. You know, the granpa is supposed to say "When I was your age, we had to walk 5 miles to school. In snowdrifts 10 feet high. Uphill. Both ways!"
But, you know, at some point the Granpa had to say "When I was your age, I had people to do my laundry and make my lemonade. You never had it so easy." If I'm being rude, sorry.
It's your comment, was slavery a tradition? If we were honest, yes. If we would analyze our past discretions as a culture, the answer is invariably yes. Did we treat people in the worst possible way we can imagine? Yes, yes we did. Did we enslave people? Yes. Did we destroy whole cultures. For sure.
No group of people is free of such behavior - all have killed and enslaved. They don't make for good traditions, though. It's not like the Hawaiian tourism industry would be better for them admitting "yes, we used to have a caste system and we ate the worthless people at the bottom." That's just not the Aloha spirit, RR!
ahhhh.... OK in that sense, I guess it could be considered a tradition.

Slaves were treated terribly. I can't fathom the thought of owning a human being.

I'm glad that God wanted slaves treated better.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#567491 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
I have, actually. It's just beyond you. That's ok, my friend, I've come to accept your limitations and enjoy your sense of humor.
Limitations?

You mean like flying or lazer vision?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567492 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not? Then what are they there for?
LOL!! You want a lesson from me as to the purpose of health insurance?

ROFLMAO!!

Here's a tip for ya- call a health insurer.

But in a nutshell:

They don't exist to help you stop smoking or even to prevent you from getting sick. They exist to cover the majority of the cost in the event you get sick, need expensive medical treatment, surgery and/or hospitalization.

Let me ask you- is the purpose of your AUTO insurer to prevent you from getting into accidents or to teach you how to not get in accidents?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#567493 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Yes.
Maybe.
Did I pass the interview?
You ARE Christian!

;)

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567494 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
ahhhh.... OK in that sense, I guess it could be considered a tradition.
Slaves were treated terribly. I can't fathom the thought of owning a human being.
I'm glad that God wanted slaves treated better.
Oh please!! You don't think there were at least some slave owners who treated their slaves "better" than others? There were. Let's hope our FOUNDING FATHERS were among those who treated slaves "better".

The POINT is why condone or encourage slavery at ALL?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567495 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes ma'am.
No, wait! That's "new school"!
You get ME a damn whiskey!
You give me the whiskey, I throw you the whip.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567496 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Now get me another whiskey.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Yes ma'am.
Thank you, sir!

<courtesies>
No, wait! That's "new school"!
You get ME a damn whiskey!
<slap!>

Ok, bitch, off the ground. Get my damn whiskey!

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567497 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Very good.
CONDONED
ENCOURAGED
Past tense.
Again I'll ask: Where does the bible say that """"" I """"" can or should own a slave?
Oh crap. Where does the bible say you can or should own a car? Or a TV? Or a computer? Or a phone? Etc., etc., etc.?

The POINT is that our MAN MADE governing laws trump ANYTHING written in the bible.

The POINT is not whether or not the BIBLE says you can or should own a slave- though it DOES say that- the point is that our MAN MADE governing laws say you can NOT.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#567498 Nov 30, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw the talk he did on youtube about it. He has a good basis.
Currently, morality is extremely flexible, for better or worse. I'm not sure if accurately mapping a moral landscape is possible, though I am sure that improvements can be made to existing conventions using objective preferential judgements as a guide. If we can say, for sure, that THIS is better than THAT, we can make improvements. His basis gives us a bottom, that he calls "the worst possibly misery for everyone", but I don't think he has a clear opposite that represents the peak. I guess by comparing everything to the bottom, measurement is possible.
It's a short book, right? I might actually read it.
It is a short book. I have the Audible version and it's only 7 hours, and Harris is the reader. I'm on the second chapter so far, and his approach seems to be, as you said, that while we don't have a guide that will address every single possible situation, we can make broad statements about what is moral and what isn't, and work from there. I think alot of people tend to toss out the baby with the bathwater if something isn't 100% complete. We see that all the time on Topix: "Science doesn't know everything? Then it must be wrong" or "Does the Bible support slavery? Then the entire book is wholly evil", etc.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#567499 Nov 30, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
ahhhh.... OK in that sense, I guess it could be considered a tradition.
Slaves were treated terribly. I can't fathom the thought of owning a human being.
I'm glad that God wanted slaves treated better.
Uh, RR, you believe that your deity is the only "perfect moral being" in the universe, right?

Treating slaves better is not moral. Not having slaves is moral. This is a failure of your mythology - your deity is not depicted as the only "perfect moral being."

He's depicted as a big, angry and jealous human - because the people who wrote the Bible were writing their version of God. It's all fiction, baby. Hence, crappy morality.

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