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#567250 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, that's what I'm sayin. The brain giveth, but the brain taketh away too.
Hey wilderide.

Glad to have you back!

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#567251 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks much, boooots.......I do try to restrain from name-calling, but there is no way I will when I am called a name first.
Funny.....RR in a post to me yesterday said: You are so dumb.
In my response to him, I did return the favor of name-calling.
He then responded asking ME if I could post without name-calling, despite the fact that I was responding to a post of HIS in which he did just that- call me a name, or if saying "You are so dumb" is not actually "name-calling", he did attempt to insult me.
Thanks for your kind words and back at ya!
:-D
I think we have to consider that we are not dealing with the brightest lights on the street here. I find it amazing that some of them can even turn on their pc.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#567252 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Ehm... that quote does not support your position. It warns of us the danger of judging other animals based on a human specific definition of intelligence.
You are correct. That statement does NOT support my position. What it does state is that I am not afraid to examine, digest, open my mind to something that is contradictory.
WildeRide told me about a year ago that I suffer from "cognitive dissonance" great word by the way WR.

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#567253 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Hey Hiding! How the prosletyzing-for-science thing working out? Keep up the good work! I've just begun an interesting book by Sam Harris ("The Moral Landscape") who is arguing that morality is objective and can be addressed by science. I'm not sure how much I will agree with him, but I do agree that it's illogical to argue that science must have a hands-off approach to morality. What do you think?
We've already covered this subject and the problem is exactly "who" will be the one to decide what is moral for ALL of society. Harris makes it quite clear from the tone of his book that he believes it should be him and his cronies and likely whatever elitist pigs are in power at the time. I think we already have more than enough authoritarians to deal with than we can handle what with the loosing of drones onto the public areas and the citizens' private property, enforcing our morals as they see fit.

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#567254 Nov 29, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I think we have to consider that we are not dealing with the brightest lights on the street here. I find it amazing that some of them can even turn on their pc.
Even your shortest responses are insults. Why don't you tone it down a bit?

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#567255 Nov 29, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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You are correct. That statement does NOT support my position. What it does state is that I am not afraid to examine, digest, open my mind to something that is contradictory.
WildeRide told me about a year ago that I suffer from "cognitive dissonance" great word by the way WR.
Everyone does. A smoker who knows the danger of smoking suffers from cognitive dissonance. A lot of strange behavior can be explained by the universal human desire to reduce cognitive dissonance.

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#567256 Nov 29, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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You are correct. That statement does NOT support my position. What it does state is that I am not afraid to examine, digest, open my mind to something that is contradictory.
WildeRide told me about a year ago that I suffer from "cognitive dissonance" great word by the way WR.
But that' good. It's a hard thing to do. I just didn't get that from your post at first because it came right after a proclamation of human superiority.

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#567257 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, that's what I'm sayin. The brain giveth, but the brain taketh away too.
Indeed it does.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#567258 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Also, you can't use our accomplishments as "evidence" for our superiority unless you allow our capacity for evil into the argument as well. These big, powerful brains tend to cause as many problems as they fix.
Evil is such a rough word. Perhaps humanity is "immature?" When it comes to realizing when we do harm. For example:
We want to save the environment. We get on our computers (the manufacture of computers make toxic by products) turn it on (electricity from coal?)
Find out that were out of paper ( deforestation)
Get into our hybrids (hybrid batteries are super toxic during manufacture) drive to Office depot(carbon, co2, smog) attempt to purchase paper ( with a bank card of course-made of plastic) card is declined. You then call the bank (on a phone made in china using who knows what type of child labor, toxic chemicals, etc.) it was a bank error of course. place the purchased paper in a plastic shopping bag. Then drive home and begin saving the world.

Nothing evil there, right?
Just stuff we must learn to do better .

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#567259 Nov 29, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Even your shortest responses are insults. Why don't you tone it down a bit?
Yeah, listen up booots.

Try to be more friendly, upbeat, sensitive, thoughtful and nice.

Like nano.

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#567260 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Good for your friend. Focus on the exception rather than the rule. Focus on that exception rather than the fact that untreated diabetes can and often does result in blindness and loss of limbs and even death.
Whatever makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside, RR.
Now- tell me the "I have a friend" story about people with cancer, heart disease or who have suffered a stroke.
Tell me how their bodies "self-healed" without any form of treatment by a medical professional.
Why bother? You won't listen.

OCB

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Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567261 Nov 29, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why bother? You won't listen.
If I want to hear about people being "self-healed" from cancer, heart disease or stroke, I'll read the National Enquirer on the supermarket check-out line.

There is certainly much we can do to PREVENT getting any of the above diseases- not too much we can do to TREAT them ourselves once we have them and certainly not once they reach the critical stages.

That is why PREVENTIVE medical care is so important and makes ring so very true the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Still, even using our best efforts to stay healthy and prevent disease and illness, it can and does still happen.

Finding out early enough and having it medically treated often does mean the difference between life and death.

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#567262 Nov 29, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Evil is such a rough word. Perhaps humanity is "immature?" When it comes to realizing when we do harm. For example:
We want to save the environment. We get on our computers (the manufacture of computers make toxic by products) turn it on (electricity from coal?)
Find out that were out of paper ( deforestation)
Get into our hybrids (hybrid batteries are super toxic during manufacture) drive to Office depot(carbon, co2, smog) attempt to purchase paper ( with a bank card of course-made of plastic) card is declined. You then call the bank (on a phone made in china using who knows what type of child labor, toxic chemicals, etc.) it was a bank error of course. place the purchased paper in a plastic shopping bag. Then drive home and begin saving the world.
Nothing evil there, right?
Just stuff we must learn to do better .
I wasn't claiming that our every day activities that happen to harm the environment make us evil - misguided, but not evil. I shouldn't have even used that word - but when I said it, I meant that some people are capable of doing great harm to other living beings on purpose - occasionally for what they think is a "good" cause. I think one of our scariest traits as a species is the ability to do objectively horrible things while deluding ourselves into thinking we are doing it for "good;" for example - Hitler didn't think he was a bad guy, and the guys that dropped the bomb on Japan thought they were doing it for a good reason.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

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#567263 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, that's what I'm sayin. The brain giveth, but the brain taketh away too.
As a side note WR,
I do believe that animals not only have souls, but are souls. The original word for "soul" in the Hebrew bible actually meant "living being"
Didn't mean to split hairs.

:)

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#567264 Nov 29, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. oh, yes, I've showered with my daughter many times. She especially likes when we bathe together and when she was younger enjoyed playing "Spin The Duck" in the bathtub. Oh! the giggles, if only you could have heard the glee ..
.. she's also showered with her dad and knows the difference between a clitoris and penis. Her curiosity has been sated, nothing was hidden. Why should it be? The human body is a work of art ..
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.. this is true ..
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.. yes, if a child asked, I'd tell the truth. That teaches them honesty, makes them understand they are not the center of the universe. Spoiled children become self-centered adults ..
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.. these are rather outrageous questions, so, won't reply ..
.. no two people think exactly alike when it comes to the 'hows' of raising children. Teaching them about the human body, the gender differences, in a safe environment is conducive to learning without fear ..
.. do you dislike my post? If so, as we've previously agreed, tough ..
Wait a sec. Are we talking 1-2 year olds? Little baby kids? I thought we were talking about older kids (10-18).....

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#567265 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a good question: Why would an almighty, all powerful, all knowing god have to REST on the 7th day- no matter WHAT is meant by the word "day" in the bible?
Why would a god have to rest at all?
I asked this of RR once- he manned up (one of the few times he has) and said he didn't know.
Funny how he can say with such certainty that a day in the bible is NOT a 24 hour period and that the word "day" is translated "wrong".
Yet he finds nothing at all NOT to be taken literally about the FABLE about the second person having been created from a rib of the first person.
Okey-dokey........WOW.
Eh?.......

I've answered you on the "7th day of rest" question.

Again you chose not too read.

I know that the Genesis "day" doesn't mean 24 hours. There are other scriptures in the Bible that back that up. A day to us isn't the same as a day to God.

Did you chose to not read that, too?

“Ditat Deus”

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#567266 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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But you contradict yourself; obviously the Bible is interpreted in many different, contradictory ways. Either "yom" means a day, which is what the literalists insist on, or it's a vague term that should have been clarified, i.e., Genesis is badly written, even in it's original Hebrew, much less any other language translations.
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You are picking obvious examples. Obviously not all of the Bible is that obvious, or else there would not be so much disagreement over what it says and means (see above).
Obviously you can't understand the brilliance of the authors of the Bible, Genesis in particular.

Hey, let's argue Gen 1:2, shall we? Is the Bible wrong? I mean, c'mon.... Water doesn't have a face........

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#567267 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So teaching kids to be ashamed of the human body is protecting them and letting them enjoy a nice, safe, nurtured childhood?
Is it that it's just easier to teach shame about the human body than it is to teach modesty about the human body?
And you equate a child seeing someone naked to someone showing a kid their ass and explaining how they like it fingered and why?
And YOU call ME odd??
Gotta tell ya yet again, RR- you're a hoot- and a half!
Did I say ANYTHING about shame?

Nope.

Where did you read that?

“Ditat Deus”

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#567268 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Well, he is following in the footsteps of every other theist: creating their god in their own image.
As to Adam and Eve, perhaps he knows where Abel's wife came from. Or maybe he married his mom? Hmmmm. And how is it that God can crate the entire universe out of a void, but needs a rib to create a woman? Hello?
Abel's wife came from Adam & Eve. Why don't you know this?

I can't have an actual debate on Topix can I?

I miss boogah

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#567269 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed he is. Creating a god as THEY wish god to be and not what they claim- that HUMANS are created in their god's image.
They have it BACKWARDS- big surprise, huh? LOL!!
Good question on why a rib would be needed to create a woman....but given how terribly misogynistic the bible is, it probably ties into women supposedly having the duty to be subservient to men.
And gee- the bible god didn't need any ribs to create non-human animals.....
There's a place for the wife and the mother, a very honored place, and a very particular place that she has in the home, her relationship to her husband and to her family, and her children.

Also there's a particular place for the husband, and particular joys and obligations that he has to fulfill. Working together in perfect love and harmony seems to be what God had in mind when He first designed the institution of marriage.

Sorry, woman's libbers.... Everyone has their place.

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