Prove there's a god.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#567261 Nov 29, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why bother? You won't listen.
If I want to hear about people being "self-healed" from cancer, heart disease or stroke, I'll read the National Enquirer on the supermarket check-out line.

There is certainly much we can do to PREVENT getting any of the above diseases- not too much we can do to TREAT them ourselves once we have them and certainly not once they reach the critical stages.

That is why PREVENTIVE medical care is so important and makes ring so very true the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Still, even using our best efforts to stay healthy and prevent disease and illness, it can and does still happen.

Finding out early enough and having it medically treated often does mean the difference between life and death.

Since: Sep 11

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#567262 Nov 29, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Evil is such a rough word. Perhaps humanity is "immature?" When it comes to realizing when we do harm. For example:
We want to save the environment. We get on our computers (the manufacture of computers make toxic by products) turn it on (electricity from coal?)
Find out that were out of paper ( deforestation)
Get into our hybrids (hybrid batteries are super toxic during manufacture) drive to Office depot(carbon, co2, smog) attempt to purchase paper ( with a bank card of course-made of plastic) card is declined. You then call the bank (on a phone made in china using who knows what type of child labor, toxic chemicals, etc.) it was a bank error of course. place the purchased paper in a plastic shopping bag. Then drive home and begin saving the world.
Nothing evil there, right?
Just stuff we must learn to do better .
I wasn't claiming that our every day activities that happen to harm the environment make us evil - misguided, but not evil. I shouldn't have even used that word - but when I said it, I meant that some people are capable of doing great harm to other living beings on purpose - occasionally for what they think is a "good" cause. I think one of our scariest traits as a species is the ability to do objectively horrible things while deluding ourselves into thinking we are doing it for "good;" for example - Hitler didn't think he was a bad guy, and the guys that dropped the bomb on Japan thought they were doing it for a good reason.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#567263 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Yeah, that's what I'm sayin. The brain giveth, but the brain taketh away too.
As a side note WR,
I do believe that animals not only have souls, but are souls. The original word for "soul" in the Hebrew bible actually meant "living being"
Didn't mean to split hairs.

:)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567264 Nov 29, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. oh, yes, I've showered with my daughter many times. She especially likes when we bathe together and when she was younger enjoyed playing "Spin The Duck" in the bathtub. Oh! the giggles, if only you could have heard the glee ..
.. she's also showered with her dad and knows the difference between a clitoris and penis. Her curiosity has been sated, nothing was hidden. Why should it be? The human body is a work of art ..
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.. this is true ..
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.. yes, if a child asked, I'd tell the truth. That teaches them honesty, makes them understand they are not the center of the universe. Spoiled children become self-centered adults ..
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.. these are rather outrageous questions, so, won't reply ..
.. no two people think exactly alike when it comes to the 'hows' of raising children. Teaching them about the human body, the gender differences, in a safe environment is conducive to learning without fear ..
.. do you dislike my post? If so, as we've previously agreed, tough ..
Wait a sec. Are we talking 1-2 year olds? Little baby kids? I thought we were talking about older kids (10-18).....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567265 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a good question: Why would an almighty, all powerful, all knowing god have to REST on the 7th day- no matter WHAT is meant by the word "day" in the bible?
Why would a god have to rest at all?
I asked this of RR once- he manned up (one of the few times he has) and said he didn't know.
Funny how he can say with such certainty that a day in the bible is NOT a 24 hour period and that the word "day" is translated "wrong".
Yet he finds nothing at all NOT to be taken literally about the FABLE about the second person having been created from a rib of the first person.
Okey-dokey........WOW.
Eh?.......

I've answered you on the "7th day of rest" question.

Again you chose not too read.

I know that the Genesis "day" doesn't mean 24 hours. There are other scriptures in the Bible that back that up. A day to us isn't the same as a day to God.

Did you chose to not read that, too?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567266 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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But you contradict yourself; obviously the Bible is interpreted in many different, contradictory ways. Either "yom" means a day, which is what the literalists insist on, or it's a vague term that should have been clarified, i.e., Genesis is badly written, even in it's original Hebrew, much less any other language translations.
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You are picking obvious examples. Obviously not all of the Bible is that obvious, or else there would not be so much disagreement over what it says and means (see above).
Obviously you can't understand the brilliance of the authors of the Bible, Genesis in particular.

Hey, let's argue Gen 1:2, shall we? Is the Bible wrong? I mean, c'mon.... Water doesn't have a face........

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567267 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So teaching kids to be ashamed of the human body is protecting them and letting them enjoy a nice, safe, nurtured childhood?
Is it that it's just easier to teach shame about the human body than it is to teach modesty about the human body?
And you equate a child seeing someone naked to someone showing a kid their ass and explaining how they like it fingered and why?
And YOU call ME odd??
Gotta tell ya yet again, RR- you're a hoot- and a half!
Did I say ANYTHING about shame?

Nope.

Where did you read that?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567268 Nov 29, 2012
wilderide wrote:
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Well, he is following in the footsteps of every other theist: creating their god in their own image.
As to Adam and Eve, perhaps he knows where Abel's wife came from. Or maybe he married his mom? Hmmmm. And how is it that God can crate the entire universe out of a void, but needs a rib to create a woman? Hello?
Abel's wife came from Adam & Eve. Why don't you know this?

I can't have an actual debate on Topix can I?

I miss boogah

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567269 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed he is. Creating a god as THEY wish god to be and not what they claim- that HUMANS are created in their god's image.
They have it BACKWARDS- big surprise, huh? LOL!!
Good question on why a rib would be needed to create a woman....but given how terribly misogynistic the bible is, it probably ties into women supposedly having the duty to be subservient to men.
And gee- the bible god didn't need any ribs to create non-human animals.....
There's a place for the wife and the mother, a very honored place, and a very particular place that she has in the home, her relationship to her husband and to her family, and her children.

Also there's a particular place for the husband, and particular joys and obligations that he has to fulfill. Working together in perfect love and harmony seems to be what God had in mind when He first designed the institution of marriage.

Sorry, woman's libbers.... Everyone has their place.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#567270 Nov 29, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Don't forget, if it wasn't for America you'd either be dead or a forced Nazi right now.....
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dude.. come on. You're being stupid. Learn some history.
Exactly Tim.

History shows that there was a combination of US forces, European resistance, and Russian soldiers overtaking the Nazis.

Some people don't want to leave their little world, because it is comfortable to them, even though it maybe secluding them from answers.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#567271 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't claiming that our every day activities that happen to harm the environment make us evil - misguided, but not evil. I shouldn't have even used that word - but when I said it, I meant that some people are capable of doing great harm to other living beings on purpose - occasionally for what they think is a "good" cause. I think one of our scariest traits as a species is the ability to do objectively horrible things while deluding ourselves into thinking we are doing it for "good;" for example - Hitler didn't think he was a bad guy, and the guys that dropped the bomb on Japan thought they were doing it for a good reason.
You're right. We can rationalize any thing. I could go on and tell you what a great idea it was to drop "the bomb" on Japan. Or any number of things. We as a general rule are not a peaceful species. It's this attitude, perception that has allowed humanity to not only survive near extinction many millennia ago but flourish today.
We are a tough group. I just hope that were tough enough to make the right decisions.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#567272 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>But that' good. It's a hard thing to do. I just didn't get that from your post at first because it came right after a proclamation of human superiority.
Look who's talking about someone else's supposed arrogance.

xD

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567273 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>So what? It is still an allegory that admonishes the pursuit of knowledge.
You think so huh? Have you ever done any studying on it?

Apparently not...

Do you the the tree of knowledge has anything to do with rational thought? Critical thinking? Math skills? Reading comprehension?

Look it up before you answer.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#567274 Nov 29, 2012
PHEW! Glad I missed that barrage of judgies about 45 mins ago!!

:o)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#567275 Nov 29, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. you'll continue promoting the bible and atheists/gays will continue promoting equal rights. What's the problem ??..
the problem is with NOT having the legal freedoms to do it!

what part of my message didn't you understand?
are you willing to sacrafice fundemental freedoms of speech for gay marriage rights?

i can guarantee you that the gay issue is just a sinster ruse in this epic battle between spritual kingdoms to subvert the liberty of preaching the Gospel and is just one step closer to the complete tyranny of the devil & antichrist.

sound like a crazy twilight zone episode? the truth is always stranger than fiction and right under our noses....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567276 Nov 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Dude.. come on. You're being stupid. Learn some history.
Why? If America did't join in during WWII, the Nazi machine would've taken over all of Europe.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#567277 Nov 29, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yeah, listen up booots.
Try to be more friendly, upbeat, sensitive, thoughtful and nice.
Like nano.
Why don't you go practice swallowing your tongue?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567278 Nov 29, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>But...but...but that's the only way OCB/Christine knows how to interact with "your kind". Baseless, offensive accusations
I know...

Thought I'd beat her to the punch.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#567279 Nov 29, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. how many times must Oscar tell you he is a celibate homosexual? Isn't that what you encourage? And, you wonder why most readers rarely respond to your posts ..
friend, he got in my grill so i got in his.

there's no such thing as a celibate homo, unless the person is seeking even more attention & to be extra extra special!;)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#567280 Nov 29, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>If I want to hear about people being "self-healed" from cancer, heart disease or stroke, I'll read the National Enquirer on the supermarket check-out line.
There is certainly much we can do to PREVENT getting any of the above diseases- not too much we can do to TREAT them ourselves once we have them and certainly not once they reach the critical stages.
That is why PREVENTIVE medical care is so important and makes ring so very true the old adage that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Still, even using our best efforts to stay healthy and prevent disease and illness, it can and does still happen.
Finding out early enough and having it medically treated often does mean the difference between life and death.
Which is exactly why I won't bother answering you. You've already made up your mind & have found your own "facts".

Also, I see you've fallen for the ol' "preventative care" routine. I bet the insurance company loves you.

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