“Ditat Deus”

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#566668 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
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You are the one who told us the story, so all of my info must have come from you. I think you mentioned busting a window with a chain, and pistol whipping. That kind of activity can be fatal. Certainly over-stated reaction to what he had done to you; granted people tend to place more value on their inanimate property than human life.
Yes, I busted through the back window with a chain & it wrapped around the sumbitch's face. Then he got pistol whipped...

It was not an "over-stated reaction to what he did to me". He deserved it. What makes you defend the asshole that chooses to break into someones vehicle & steal it? Ever happen to you? What if it did, what would you do if you accidentally caught the asshole?

YOU might walk away & call someone stronger than you (cops), I'm not that kind of person. I stand & defend myself, my family, my friends and my belongings.

“Ditat Deus”

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#566669 Nov 28, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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are you seriously ridiculing RR for teaching his child to 'stand up for themself'?
If every child would stand up to bullies there would be no bullies.
Thank you!

Common sense isn't so common is it?

“let's do this thang!”

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#566670 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
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Except that I know that you can prove absolutely nothing about that ancient myth, but I can locate proof that others have found that it didn't occur, though I have no intention of going to that trouble to satisfy a bigot.
you of course could only find conjecture from other bigots like you, which i would emphatically reject as anti-christ/satanic in nature;)

“O'si yo!”

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#566671 Nov 28, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>We get that your concept of "ignore" is on par with OCB's and ChristineB's. I dare you to ignore me and RR for 24 hours. It's not a long time, reasonable in length but we aren't dealing with a reasonable person. Reasonable people don't stalk other people for years online and offline. Why don't you show the rest of the world that pic you guys took of Patty's grave marker, you know, the one you guys pass among yourselves and drool over like starving dogs.
What? Would that be just a little too incriminating? You talk shyt about how awful bullying and stalking is when it's done to kids but you don't have any problem doing to some old lady and her elderly mom.
they, as in the lesbo, PLH, booty and passing through and a few others, stalked pattiecake because she stood strong in her message of faith here.
They couldn't pull her from God, they couldn't intimidate her into silence so they resorted to invasion of her privacy.
She left. Don't blame her.
but i know for a FACT she told them the truth, and that she isn't missing them a third as much as they all are missing her! Ha Ha Ha! Atheists always resort to the same tactics, which ends with private attacks on a private leval.
but then they want you to THINK they are secure in their godless existance. Secure people don't feel the need to harm others.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#566672 Nov 28, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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it's YOU who's obsessed with pushing homosexuality on this thread. why do we even know or care who/what you do in private? why didn't you keep it private unless you're trying to be pushy with it like those in sodom who had to push it on the visiting angels???
Uhm, you do kinda come across as pretty interested in gay sex. Don't be mad at River, she was just trying to help you out there with some advice about condoms. It's pretty unlikely she knows about male gay sex though, at least from an experiential point of view, but if you are going to go and try it, she's probably right about the whole condom thing. Unless, uhm, you know better - then, hey, do what you like. Just play safe :)

In fact, if you're going to give heterosexual sex a go while you're trying out new experiences, you should probably wear a condom, too. Some of the same reasons apply, right: STIs - and you get to add a whole new reason - pregnancy - hooray for fun!

:p
:p
:P

“O'si yo!”

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#566673 Nov 28, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Your gift has no value if your god doesn't exist, and it surely doesn't. I know that with certainty.
Any cost is too much to pay for a promise that won't be kept, but you want everything I have. You want my attention, my time, my money, my devotion, and my obedience, all in support of a metaphysical system that I find absurd and a moral system that I find reprehensible.
You want me to surrender reason, autonomy, and an authentic existence, and to allow the priests to substitute their will and moral their judgments for my own instead. That would constitute a forsaking or abdication of the self - what you would call a sin against the soul.
time and test say otherwise.

you simply have not reached that cross roads in your life yet.
i hope you do before all the sand runs out.

"God" wants you to surrender.

don't make it about me.

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#566674 Nov 28, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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why do i ask that? because if you don't want any restrictions placed on religious freedoms then why do you fight so hard to surpress it? Every time someone comes on topix with a view point based on biblical truth, atheists are always quick to use different tactics to 'silence' that voice.
I donate all the time where i live.
we have a food pantry in my home town and a needy clothes store to help the poor.
i contribute often to those.
and when i said heaven was my home, that means that when i leave this earth (death or rapture) heaven will be my perminate home.
the bible says we are to store up our treasures in heaven now
which is a spiritual walk.
heaven is my home.
that is where my heart and soul rests.
but i am sure you won't understand what that means.
UIF, I think in fairness to you and everyone else here, it should be understood that none of us, who don't believe, are wanting restrictions placed on religious freedom. In my case, I am looking at it from the point of abuse of other human beings, and when anyone, including a religious person abuses another human being, I object.

Since my background was very much in Christianity, I know that is one of the main ideals of Christianity, to love everyone including one's enemies. Here, however, I have observed a lot of very abusive talk against people, especially traditionally abused people, and most of that abuse on this site is from those who are claiming to be the believers in God.

It doesn't fit my image of Christianity because I was taught to do unto others, etc., and denigrating any group of people, and especially using ancient traditions to justify that, to me, is totally contrary to the message that the book the Bible is trying to tell us that Christ sent us, or gave us.

The fact that I no longer believe in the divinity of the whole picture, does not mean that I have thrown out all my beliefs about what is right and what is wrong, regarding how we treat each other during our short time on earth.

I think the number one thing that a human has to be concerned with after food and shelter, is maintaining good relations with others. We have to do that for our own protection. When we attack others, most of the time, they will retaliate, for their own protection.

Whether we use our religious beliefs to justify that or just the laws of our land, or our personal feelings on the subject, it is still about doing no harm to not be harmed. It is not a foolproof method but it is better than constantly fighting other people.

Regarding past arguments about restrictions on what goes on in schools, etc., regarding God and the Bible, no country today is one religion only with all of their people. So it is not possible to bring religion as a taught behavior into the classroom, because it discriminates against many of the children in those classes, and all kids are required to take certain classes in order to move on to the next level of learning.

In the USA it is illegal to mix religion and the state, and usually public education is under government control. I am not sure that our original constitution in Canada specified separation of church and state (mainly because I don't know what is in our constitution, as that is not something that particularly interests me), but more recent decisions have taken certain forms of religious practices out of the schools, because frankly, except in some very remote and rural communities, most schools have people from all parts of the world and all the world religions.

“Ditat Deus”

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#566675 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
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No, but American denotes the nation that you live in, but tells us nothing about what human racial classification you are from. Yesterday I found and reported that recently all the old racial distinctions have been tossed out the window, by many, but when filling out various forms or surveys, I note that you are still asked to state which race you are from, based on the old names.
I am Canadian in citizenship and Nationality, British in background mainly, and Caucasian genetically.
OK. That's you, booots.

I'm American in citizenship & nationality, American in background, and human genetically.

I am NOT Caucasian. Not all white people are Caucasian....

Again: The term Caucasian race has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia,parts of Central Asia and South Asia.

Historically, the term has been used to describe many peoples from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.

Note the "general physical type of some or all of the populations" part. Since I am not from "Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia,parts of Central Asia and South Asia", I am NOT Caucasian.

And why does someone from China call themselves Asian? They are technically Caucasian.... I am not.

The term Caucasian was first coined back in the mid 1700's by some racist idiot named Christoph Meiners. Meiners called darker-skinned Europeans "dirty-white".

Julien-Joseph Virey believed that the Caucasians were only the palest-skinned Europeans....

In the United States, the term Caucasian has been mainly used to describe a group commonly called Whites, as defined by the government and Census Bureau.

In other words, the US Census Bereau is run by idiots.

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#566676 Nov 28, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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why do you ignor what the founding fathers believed when they constructed the Constitution?
of course we have freedom OF and FROM religion.
our founding fathers wanted a nation of democracy and freedom.
freedom to believe in God and freedom not to.
but that doesn't mean that the founding fathers who WERE believers in God and the bible, and made it clear, that they wanted America to be a nation of moral anarcy and immoral laws.
If they had of wanted America to be 'secular' then the Holy bible would not of been a primary teaching took IN SCHOOLS up until the 60s
The Del or Indpendence was in 1776 that makes us approx 236 yrs old OCB.
in 1963 they stopped using the bible in schools to teach from.
so for approx 187 years America used the holy bible in its schools.
187 years verses the past 49 years.
what does that tell you? for 187 years the Holy bible and prayer was deemed as valuable and important in the schools.
and every other public venue.
its only been removed since 1963
Sodomy was ILLEGAL in America prior to 1961
Gay Marriage was ILLEGAL prior to May of 2004
so for 228 years homosexuality was not recognized in America as legal or morally acceptable.
what i am showing you is that for the MAJORITY of America's history the bible and God was used as a foundation of who we are.
America has only become 'secular' since the 1960s.
anyone can read our history and see the rich tapestry of the Christian and Jewish heritage woven through out it.
and FYI there were not always mosques in America either.
UIF, I have some difficulty in understanding your statement that the bible was the primary teaching book in America until the middle 60s. I know in primary school, we had a once a week class about Bible studies which occasionally our minister cmae and particpated in, but aside from that the Bible was not used to teach anything.

It just isn't a text book on grammar, arithmetic, social studies, history, geography. It doesn't have enough depth in those things, which is mainly the things kids are taught in school, so if the Bible was the main book, it must have been only because they had no other books to teach children how to read.

Reading from the Bible too, would run into a lot of problems with proper American grammar, etc., because especially back in my youth, the most common Bible was written in the manner of speaking of English several hundred years prior, which is hardly how we were being taught to read and write in primary school.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

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#566677 Nov 28, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
When duty call you think of everyone else yourself becomes unimportant.
I feel a duty to the liberals and skeptics that I left behind. However, I feel no duty to the Christians and other conservatives that I have been discussing just because they happen to be Americans. I explained why. If I have a duty there, it is to resist their ideologies.

Half the country voted for Romney - over half in the part I left, rural Missouri. Surely you can understand why I don't want my tax dollars helping those people, and why I don't want the money that I spend helping to create jobs filled by them. And I sure wouldn't go to war for them, nor send my children. Loyalty and compatriotism is a two-way street or nothing at all.

You seem to think that that is over the top. Do you disagree with those sentiments? Do you think that they are unjust or unkind? If so, in what way? What do I owe people like that?

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#566678 Nov 28, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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are you seriously ridiculing RR for teaching his child to 'stand up for themself'?
If every child would stand up to bullies there would be no bullies.
UIF, you haven't mention, I don't think, whether you have your own children and how old they are, but it is criminal behavior to teach a child to return violence for violence. In a big percentage of those cases, especially in some of the more dangerous sections of some areas of the USA, that is almost a guarantee of getting your child killed.

Yes, don't let people push you around, and if bullied get help, but fighting back, except to save one's life, is never a good plan.

Kids don't need to be taught that the fist is how one settles disagreements, because our societies' laws do not permit public violence. We and the USA have laws in place to protect people from bullies, though sometimes people don't take advantage of those laws. Taking the law into your own hands will often turn bad.
ROCCO

La Quinta, CA

#566679 Nov 28, 2012
United in faith wrote:
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prove it booty.
explain to me why if the Holy bible is a myth
it is not classified as such
it is not classified as a fiction
it is classifed as 'sacrad writings'
explain please
if the Holy bible is just a myth,
why billions of churches on the planet take it serious?
why would all those churches of people trust something that was proven as a myth? because it is NOT proven as myth.
you atheists crack me up. You strut around proclaiming the bible is a myth and have yet to prove it to the point anyone would take it serious enough to change it's classifcation or to remove it all together.
Don't you get it? all your claims go unfounded, and unchanged.
nothing you say about the Holy bible makes one iota of difference.
The message goes right on being taught through out the world.
churches thrive, people keep getting saved, prophecy keeps fulfilling itself, the bible remains in the all time number one position, and your personal thoughts about it hasn't changed one thing. That is the point booty, the world isn't listening to the naysayers when it comes to God.
No atheist has ever been successful at 'stopping' the Holy bible for doing what it says it has and will do.
If you could produce some real proof to your claim, enough to shake the bible from where it has always been, you MIGHT have a shot.
but no one ever has.
so you sound real silly when you try to discredit the ancient scriptures.
There are not "Billions of churches" on the planet.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_churches_a...
"An estimate I saw about a year ago was 3.7 million Christian congregations. I believe there are around 67,000 denominations. There are close to 50,000 new congregations being added each year. I don't know how many are closing each year so I don't know if its net 50000 per year or not. Not much of this growth is in the US or Europe, but in South America, Africa and Asia. Check out this link http://www.gordonconwell.edu/ockenga/globalch... ;

And this link will show you some interesting facts and trends about Christianity:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.ht...

Religion Date Founded Sacred Texts Membership 4 % of World 5
Christianity 30 CE The Bible 2,039 million 32%(dropping)
Islam 622 CE Qur'an & Hadith 1,570 million 22%(growing)
Hinduism 1500 BCE with truly ancient roots Bhagavad-Gita, Upanishads, & Rig Veda 950 million 13%(stable)
No religion
(Note 1)
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None 775 million 12%(dropping)
Chinese folk religion 270 BCE None 390 million 6%
Buddhism 523 BCE The Tripitaka (consisting of the Vinaya, the Sutras, and the Abhidharma) 350 - 1,600 million (2) 6%(stable?)
Tribal Religions, Shamanism, Animism Prehistory Oral tradition 232 million 4%
Atheists No date None 150 million 2%
New religions. Various Various 103 million 2%
Sikhism 1500 CE Guru Granth Sahib 23.8 million <1%
Judaism Note 3 Torah, Tanach, & Talmud 14.5 million <1%
Spiritism 12.6 million <1%
Baha'i Faith 1863 CE Alkitab Alaqdas 7.4 million <1%
Confucianism 520 BCE Lun Yu 6.3 million <1%
Jainism 570 BCE Siddhanta, Pakrit 4.3 million <1%
Zoroastrianism 600 to 6000 BCE Avesta 2.7 million <1%
Shinto 500 CE Kojiki, Nohon Shoki 2.7 million <1%
Taoism Note 4 550 BCE Tao-te-Ching 2.7 million <1%
Other Various Various 1.1 million <1%
Wicca Note 5 800 BCE, 1940 CE None 0.5 million? <1%

“Ditat Deus”

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#566680 Nov 28, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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To be honest, RR, I'm all for understanding humans as human regardless of culture and society. But when I see people, full of parasites, living in the jungle, trying to cure the measles by having drugged up shamans rub demons out of them, solving their disputes by pounding each other's chests, I can't help but think they're repulsive and pathetic.
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The thing is, they have as much evidence for their beliefs as any religion in any "civilized" nation. For example, they have an equally valid basis for genital mutilation as does any "civilized" religion, an equal claim to the power of their magic as do religious believers of the power of prayer.
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I'm happy that the vast majority of "civilized" believers don't solve their disputes through violence. That certainly is a step up from those who do.
I agree with ya, doll face. But I won't ridicule people or societies for their ignorance. I'm sure that medical doctors 500 years from now with laugh at the "modern medicine" we employ today.

“Ditat Deus”

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#566681 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I first went on meds for chronic problems in late 1990, in my mid 40s. I used to be amazed at how many meds people, especially grandparents, had to consume every day - now I am doing the same, though likely for different reasons.
My grandma did the same thing vague must've had three pills a day, every day.

I refuse to do that. My doc said that I had high blood pressure. His answer: Take these pills, it'll help. He'll no, I changed my diet & habits. I just a few months, my BP was normal again.

I have a friend that calls himself a functioning diabetic. After being diagnosed, he drastically changed his diet (he even gave up beer!). He hasn't need for insulin injections. He monitors what he eats & how much he eats.

I think the medical plight we're all having is solely because of what we eat. Every grocery store is lived wall-to-wall with crap food filled with more crisp that should NOT be in our bodies.

Watch what you eat, boooots. Your body has the "magic" ability of self-healing. You just have to help it along.

“Ditat Deus”

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#566682 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
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UIF, you haven't mention, I don't think, whether you have your own children and how old they are, but it is criminal behavior to teach a child to return violence for violence. In a big percentage of those cases, especially in some of the more dangerous sections of some areas of the USA, that is almost a guarantee of getting your child killed.
Yes, don't let people push you around, and if bullied get help, but fighting back, except to save one's life, is never a good plan.
Kids don't need to be taught that the fist is how one settles disagreements, because our societies' laws do not permit public violence. We and the USA have laws in place to protect people from bullies, though sometimes people don't take advantage of those laws. Taking the law into your own hands will often turn bad.
Here are two basic philosophies that I teach my kids. Neither are violent.

"Never, EVER, start a fight. Always be prepared to finish one."

"TAKE your turn OR WAIT your turn. It's your choice."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566683 Nov 28, 2012
boooots wrote:
You [nanoanomaly] are sounding more and more like a person who is not a very nice person, in general.
Is she new to you? Nano has zero redeeming qualities and brings nothing to the table. It's just all bile and invective. I promise you that you will never see an interesting idea or constructive opinion from her ever. She brings no information, no insight nor analysis, no humor, no wit, no charm, no bonhomie, and no personality whatsoever - just pinch-faced bitterness and clenched sphincter prudery wrapped in the personality of a cactus - unless she get shit-faced slutty and asks you to touch her "kitteh." That's the only time you'll enjoy her posting.

See if I'm wrong.

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#566684 Nov 28, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Check out the Yanomami videos. Most of the old men walk around naked. A lot of them have drug-snot dripping down their noses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mkTewELvJEMXX
I can't get my browser to work right now, sorry. Otherwise, I'd just post a direct link.
The ones with extended bellies have immune systems that don't fight parasites all that well.
Very interesting. I just watched pt 1 of one of the series, and am starting into pt 2. Will have to watch all of it, but maybe will later, as I have too many tasks happening here at one time.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#566685 Nov 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I agree with ya, doll face. But I won't ridicule people or societies for their ignorance. I'm sure that medical doctors 500 years from now with laugh at the "modern medicine" we employ today.
They will, they will. We still have to cut stuff out of people! If that's not barbaric...

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#566686 Nov 28, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Here are two basic philosophies that I teach my kids. Neither are violent.
"Never, EVER, start a fight. Always be prepared to finish one."
"TAKE your turn OR WAIT your turn. It's your choice."
“These are the things I learned (in Kindergarten):

1. Share everything.
2. Play fair.
3. Don't hit people.
4. Put thngs back where you found them.
5. CLEAN UP YOUR OWN MESS.
6. Don't take things that aren't yours.
7. Say you're SORRY when you HURT somebody.
8. Wash your hands before you eat.
9. Flush.
10. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
11. Live a balanced life - learn some and drink some and draw some and paint some and sing and dance and play and work everyday some.
12. Take a nap every afternoon.
13. When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
14. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Stryrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
15. Goldfish and hamster and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
16. And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first workd you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.”
&#8213; Robert Fulghum, All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten

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#566687 Nov 28, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Oh I'm sure there are some here that would have most excellent tales to tell without embellishing anything.
Yes, I could tell a lot of tales about how not to live your life, based on my life experiences, however, likely many can do the same.

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