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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Pedophilia is more of a problem in cultures where there are many taboos and sexual repression. Due to the nature of American culture, we produce pedophiles and rapists. Repression breeds obsession. You need look no farther than the Catholic Priesthood to see that in action.
That is simply not true. The percentage of priests accused of rape is 1.8%. The average percentage of pedophiles in general population is 4%
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http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-i...

1.8
http://tinyurl.com/3xqcnq

Not to mention pedophiles seek out the church for two reasons. 1) Because being an adult not in an adult sexual relationship raises no red flags. and 2) It gives them better opportunities to abuse. Pedophiles are opportunistic abusers. It is why the number one profession with the highest number of pedophiles is teachers. It has nothing to do with repression. Someone is a pedophile long, long before adulthood. Science believes pedophiles are either born that way or abused into becoming that way for the vast majority of cases. In some cases there simply is no answer but that predilection is established well before an adult
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Children are vulnerable when they aren't well supervised. It doesn't matter if they are naked to a predator. They are looking for easy prey, not naked prey. They'll get them naked after they catch them, so that's not a big deal from their perspective.
But there is no way a culture where children think it is ok for a stranger to be naked around them would not aid a pedophiles efforts. Many pedophiles try to confuse their victim into being a "willing" participant.

There just is no reason for it. What possible good outweighs the potential dangers in your mind? Especially when wahtever good could be taught in other ways?
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Nov 26, 2012
 
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Your name doesn't rhyme if that is what you were going for genius!
And as for your claim, you really shouldn't just go around regurgitating anti-Christian indoctrination as itmakes you look silly. Especially when you couldn't be more wrong
Matthew 18:20
"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell
I get my name from a good song. Check it out...

Matthew says Gehenna, not hell. The word Hel/hell did not exist untill 700+ years after the bible was written. Facts are your enemy.

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.. they? Do you toss all gays and lesbians into one bushel? Call me all the names you want, won't bother me. Kinda use to it ..
.. protest? Isn't that the American way to institute change? Are you un-American ??..
.. don't want to get into the equal rights debate because we'll vehemently disagree, besides, this thread is not about homosexuality ..
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.. works for me ..
Fair 'nuff!

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Edit Tide:

I realized I didn't finish my though on priests. The point is that if anything because pedophiles would seek out a church to hide in plain sight and have opportunities to abuse, it is surprising to me the numbers are not a lot higher. But we do have to balance it with what has been covered up. However at the same time this is charged, not convicted so it is pretty inclusive. Whether the percentage points might dip or be a little higher the bottom line is basically it is the same percentage as the population as a whole. Someone is a pedophile long before coming a priest. Just like they are a pedophile long before coming a teacher, who are at the highest rate of abuse.

For every scumbag molester priest, there are thousands who live good lives or try to at least as hard as most. The reason there is such a generalization about priests is because it is a big news item, especially because of the coverups. As it should be. But if someone picks up a paper and read a priest molested a kid 3-4 times in their entire life it is still human nature to think, man what is going on over there even though even more kids are being molested by teachers and psychiatrists and in the general population as a whole.

Being a priest does not make someone any more likely to be a pedophile. The systematic cover-ups unfortunately have led to a climate of abuse. A safer haven for pedophiles if you will but they were pedophiles before they got there. And if they weren't abusing there they would simply be trying to be abusing kids elsewhere.

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If they didn't care, they wouldn't get all huffy puffy when they're called names & made fun of. They wouldn't "protest" and ask for special rights.
What do you do when people call you names?

Name a special right that homosexuals are asking for?

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Nov 26, 2012
 
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Your son could have also got sent to a reform school. You have badly advised your son. Yes, don't let someone kill you, if you can prevent it, but for gawd sakes don't make things worse by using violence against violence. Surely the actions of the USA in the last several decades has shown that on an adult level.
The kid who picked up that stone, needed to be reported to the authorities as that is not acceptable behavior; neither is your son hitting him with the same stone and breaking his nose. What if, as could have happened, your son had killed the kid? Would the law have said the bully deserved it?
In that case I would think if it went beyond those two kids and you, you should have been contacted by the authorities and even had Children's Services contact you as a possible case of the child being in a home not conducive to good parenting.
You think I'm a bad parent because I teach my sons to stand up for themselves? lol

If that rock had been one inch lower, it would've likely broken my sons nose. If it had been three inches lower, it might've popped a few of his teeth. Do you think the bully cared? Nope, he threw the rock at my sons face intentionally.

I was threatened with a lawsuit. I was contacted by CPS. But nothing ever came if it, except that the bully stopped bullying and he & my sin became pretty good friends. After that incident, all of a sudden the bullies friends became my sons friends. What do ya know.....

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Sorry if these double post. I had to go back pages on firefox to retrieve my posts as for some reason my last did not show up. Or showed up and then disappeared. Here they are again
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Pedophilia is more of a problem in cultures where there are many taboos and sexual repression. Due to the nature of American culture, we produce pedophiles and rapists. Repression breeds obsession. You need look no farther than the Catholic Priesthood to see that in action.
That is simply not true. The percentage of priests accused of rape is 1.8%. The average percentage of pedophiles in general population is 4%
Pedophile

4%
http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-i...

1.8
http://tinyurl.com/3xqcnq

Not to mention pedophiles seek out the church for two reasons. 1) Because being an adult not in an adult sexual relationship raises no red flags. and 2) It gives them better opportunities to abuse. Pedophiles are opportunistic abusers. It is why the number one profession with the highest number of pedophiles is teachers. It has nothing to do with repression. Someone is a pedophile long, long before adulthood. Science believes pedophiles are either born that way or abused into becoming that way for the vast majority of cases. In some cases there simply is no answer but that predilection is established well before an adult
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Children are vulnerable when they aren't well supervised. It doesn't matter if they are naked to a predator. They are looking for easy prey, not naked prey. They'll get them naked after they catch them, so that's not a big deal from their perspective.
But there is no way a culture where children think it is ok for a stranger to be naked around them would not aid a pedophiles efforts. Many pedophiles try to confuse their victim into being a "willing" participant.

There just is no reason for it. What possible good outweighs the potential dangers in your mind? Especially when whatever good could be taught in other ways?

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What will happen if one day one of your kids (if there are several), finds himself surrounded by ten other kids who have decided to repay him for that broken nose your son gave that bully.


Unlikely. Most bullies only have a few friends, not usually more than one or two. And they're not BFF's or anything. They hang with the bully because they themselves are weak. They look up to the bully. But as soon as the bully gets bullied... That's all she wrote.
You get a knock on the door and a cop is standing there, and looks rather uncomfortable. "Sir, would you mind if I step indoors for a few minutes. I need to talk with you and you might want to sit down first. I have the unpleasant duty of informing you that a boy, who carried ID indicating that he is your son, has been killed. When you have had a few moments to get yourself together, I am going to have to ask you to accompany me downtown to officially identity the body, as that is required by law. If we can help you in any other way, such as calling someone to come and talk with you, by all means say so."
Oh! You've convinced me! I'm gonna run right out & tell my kids to just go ahead and get beat up. Don't fight back. Do nothing but inform the authorities. Basically, be French....

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I take it you mean Catcher.
The rest of your post I will ignore.
never a cather!

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm not going to talk-block anybody.
LMAO!!!

Good man, TwB... Good man.

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I get my name from a good song. Check it out...
Matthew says Gehenna, not hell. The word Hel/hell did not exist untill 700+ years after the bible was written. Facts are your enemy.
Actually there are three different terms for hell. Sheol, Hades, and Tartarus.

Hades is from the original Greek word Gehenna which is translated "hell" or "the fires of hell,

Facts are your enemy it would seem

You do understand how words are translated do you not?

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never a cather!
Yes, Willa!

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Nov 26, 2012
 
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Do tell where people live without ANY clothing at all.
Blacks beach.

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That is simply not true. The percentage of priests accused of rape is 1.8%. The average percentage of pedophiles in general population is 4%
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http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-i...
If the percentage of priests accused of rape is 1.8 %, what do you think the percentage is of sexual attraction to children? Do you think it would be higher than 4%. That statistic is also vague. Are they talking about America or the world? It's clear that the 4% represents people with the sexual attraction towards children. It doesn't say how many of those actually act on that attraction.

My contention that sexual repression increases the chance of unethical sexual behavior is sound. If priests were allowed to marry, they would be less likely to act on any underlying urges they might have. They would be less likely to develop urges that they never had to begin with.
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This link didn't take me to the specific page, but it came up on a page from the Catholic League for Civil and Religious Rights. I wouldn't trust this source independently.
Skombolis wrote:
Not to mention pedophiles seek out the church for two reasons. 1) Because being an adult not in an adult sexual relationship raises no red flags. and 2) It gives them better opportunities to abuse. Pedophiles are opportunistic abusers. It is why the number one profession with the highest number of pedophiles is teachers. It has nothing to do with repression.
It is for priests who are forbidden from having normal sexual relationships. For teachers, it wouldn't be a big factor.
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Someone is a pedophile long, long before adulthood. Science believes pedophiles are either born that way or abused into becoming that way for the vast majority of cases. In some cases there simply is no answer but that predilection is established well before an adult
Does sexual repression help anything? I would only argue that repression makes all of this worse, whatever the causes might be. Repression could even be the root cause in some cases, like with Priests who are not allowed to have normal sexual relationships, but have easy access to children who are already conditioned to see them as authority figures. Allowing priests to have normal sexual relationships would decrease the amount of child rapes.
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But there is no way a culture where children think it is ok for a stranger to be naked around them would not aid a pedophiles efforts. Many pedophiles try to confuse their victim into being a "willing" participant.
There just is no reason for it. What possible good outweighs the potential dangers in your mind? Especially when wahtever good could be taught in other ways?
I suppose if the pedophile is just looking for a quick thrill, having a kid already naked is a little more convenient, but if the predatory activity is taking place, the presence of clothing makes little difference. Preventing the predatory activity would start with good supervision. If nudity makes it easier, so would an affinity for ice cream. Would you teach your kids to hate ice cream because pedos use it to lure them in? This is like victim blaming. If we have to put up an impenetrable defense every time we leave our house, we aren't really living. Nudity to a nudist is pretty damn important, I would expect.

I suppose we could play it safe and pull our kids out of these dangerous environments, like schools and churches. If that's where the pedos are, that would be more effective than a layer of cotton.

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What do you do when people call you names?


I usually laugh.
Name a special right that homosexuals are asking for?
Same sex marriage. As only gays will do it, it's a special right. Special just for gays.

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Blacks beach.
San Diego county doesn't allow public nudity...

"We maintain a family friendly presence at Black's beach."
"Black's Beach Bares, a group of beach users dedicated to the clothing optional use of Black's Beach."

lol!! Nudity is a family function to some weirdos...

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Blacks beach.
Oh! And people don't live there.

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Skombolis wrote:
Edit Tide:
I realized I didn't finish my though on priests. The point is that if anything because pedophiles would seek out a church to hide in plain sight and have opportunities to abuse, it is surprising to me the numbers are not a lot higher. But we do have to balance it with what has been covered up. However at the same time this is charged, not convicted so it is pretty inclusive. Whether the percentage points might dip or be a little higher the bottom line is basically it is the same percentage as the population as a whole. Someone is a pedophile long before coming a priest. Just like they are a pedophile long before coming a teacher, who are at the highest rate of abuse.
For every scumbag molester priest, there are thousands who live good lives or try to at least as hard as most. The reason there is such a generalization about priests is because it is a big news item, especially because of the coverups. As it should be. But if someone picks up a paper and read a priest molested a kid 3-4 times in their entire life it is still human nature to think, man what is going on over there even though even more kids are being molested by teachers and psychiatrists and in the general population as a whole.
Being a priest does not make someone any more likely to be a pedophile. The systematic cover-ups unfortunately have led to a climate of abuse. A safer haven for pedophiles if you will but they were pedophiles before they got there. And if they weren't abusing there they would simply be trying to be abusing kids elsewhere.
(T) Peace
You may be right, but I might be right too. I don't think sexual repression is healthy, and it makes existing problems worse. I haven't seen you defend the RCC's position on priests not being allowed to get married, so I'll assume you might also see a problem with that.

We don't really know the full scope of sexual abuse that has taken place within the clergy. We know that the RCC is more interested in keeping these instances quiet than seeing justice done.

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One doesn't need to attend church to be a Christian.....
America is roughly 75% Christian.
Deal with it.
Actually if one considers themselves a true Christian he will attend church if he is able, because that is part of the whole package as it is presented. Technically I agree with you because now I don't believe there is a God, so it really doesn't matter anyway if you go to church or you don't. However, for those who are actually Christians, one of the tenets of Christianity is congregating together with others to worship God (and of course kick in your money - they can't get your money if you don't go).

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Actually if one considers themselves a true Christian he will attend church if he is able, because that is part of the whole package as it is presented. Technically I agree with you because now I don't believe there is a God, so it really doesn't matter anyway if you go to church or you don't. However, for those who are actually Christians, one of the tenets of Christianity is congregating together with others to worship God (and of course kick in your money - they can't get your money if you don't go).
Attending church is not necessary or important in being a Christian.

Giving money to a church is not necessary or important in being a Christian.

Why do you think a tenet of Christianity is attending church?

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