Since: Mar 09

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#566027 Nov 26, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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You have a tendency to blame others for misunderstanding your ambiguous posts.
What a surprise, it is Catcher running to throw his two cents in to make sure a fellow poster knows he has his back

Grow a set of balls catcher. Your insecurity and need for approval is starting to border on sickening

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#566028 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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So you think there is nothing morally wrong with kids being forced to see adult strangers walking around with their genitalia because they have genitalia??
What about defecating? Is it ok for adults to pull down their pants and crap in front of children because everybody poops?
Children will grab their own genitalia and think nothing of it. As they get a little older they may even become curious and start to fondle it. Should adults be able to fondle themselves in front of children because children do it too?
What kind of bizarre rationalization is that? It is flat-out morally offensive and inappropriate to subject a child to seeing an adult stranger naked. Under no circumstances should they be given the impression that is ok. This is like parenting 101. It doesn't get more basic than that. I simply can't understand you defending it.
It is offensive because we have been long conditioned to 'think' it is offensive, and that is a big part of why it is offensive. People who lived their whole lives in the hot jungles and wore little or no clothing did not have a more serious problem with sexual abuse than those who always covered up so that our excitement by the human body was more aroused due to wondering what it looked like rather than actually seeing it.

Personally I find a woman in tight fitting clothes which basically gets your imagination going very erotic whereas many of them, if they were to actually be nude, might even nauseate me, because not all human beings have a body that is attractive naked.

Personally I think that Muslim women, who fully cover themselves, sometimes including their eyes, are setting themselves up just as much as scantily clad women, to be assaulted, because those who would assault them are going to want to see why they are covering themselves. There would be some exceptions to that, of course.

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#566029 Nov 26, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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I take it you mean Catcher.
The rest of your post I will ignore.
That would be a mistake. You have serious issues you need to address. Do you realize how foolish you look when you say things like "we are watching" or try to act like you control who posts here? Are you this worried the "cool kids" might not let you still drive them around on the week-end? Try acting like a man who has some confidence in who he is instead of overcompensating. You don't need to respond to every post to because you need people to see you are taking their side. It is Topix little insecure man, try to put it in perspective.

Since: Oct 12

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#566030 Nov 26, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Naw, I'm jealous of the Scottish one.:P
Ooooh, don't you just love sean connery and his accent? Ooooh, hehehe.

Since: Mar 09

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#566031 Nov 26, 2012
boooots wrote:
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It is offensive because we have been long conditioned to 'think' it is offensive, and that is a big part of why it is offensive. People who lived their whole lives in the hot jungles and wore little or no clothing did not have a more serious problem with sexual abuse than those who always covered up so that our excitement by the human body was more aroused due to wondering what it looked like rather than actually seeing it.
Personally I find a woman in tight fitting clothes which basically gets your imagination going very erotic whereas many of them, if they were to actually be nude, might even nauseate me, because not all human beings have a body that is attractive naked.
Personally I think that Muslim women, who fully cover themselves, sometimes including their eyes, are setting themselves up just as much as scantily clad women, to be assaulted, because those who would assault them are going to want to see why they are covering themselves. There would be some exceptions to that, of course.
Sure I don't deny that we are culturally biased

And if we were talking about just adults then this is a whole different conversation

But there simply is np justification for letting a child think it is ok for an adult stranger to be naked in front of him. How much easier does that make it for a pedophile to inititate the abusing process? Why do you think most of them start either by getting a kid drunk somewhere, watching porn, or using an environment like a lockerroom where it is more acceptable to be undressed? We start making everywhere acceptable and we better be prepared for what comes next because we will own part of that blame. We have a responsibility as parents, as adults, as humans, as citizens, and as a society to keep our young ones safe.

(T) Peace

Since: Jul 10

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#566032 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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I hope you are not a caretaker of any children Hiding. I find it beyond disturbing that you see nothing wrong with it. I am not saying by any means you are a child molester, I want that to be very clear. But your rationalizations sound the same. "Oh it is not abuse, it is love". "everybody has genitalia so what is wrong with me showing mine to a child?"
I seriously hope this is just some misguided attempt to justify the unjustifiable that just went off the tracks and now you are having trouble reeling it back in. Because I am telling you straight up my friend that the things you are posting are frightening to anyone that has a child and probably to just about anyone who doesn't.
It is only wrong, because our society has been conditioned for so long to think it is. I suspect that kids, who are raised in nudist homes and attend nudist colonies, are no more apt to do anything wrong than those who are taught that sex is dirty. In fact I suspect they would become more uninterested in the naked body, since that would be all they ever saw.

Yes, once the hormones kicked in at a certain age they would still want to put those bodies together, but that would happen anyway, and they don't have that horrible negative body image that has psychologically impaired many people.

As a whole, especially those of us raised in very strict religious homes, many have a very warped opinion about things to do with the body. It is a huge step to go from hearing about that horrible young girl in the neighborhood who got knocked up, embarrassing her family and having to be sent away to have her child so as to not embarrass them further, and then when another girl gets married all the old ladies are so excited when she get pregnant.

Both girls did the very same act, and in many cases the one who married before pregnancy did have premarital sex too, but didn't get pregnant, but the one who got pregnant in some cases totally destroyed her life (I saw a girl who was a few years ahead of me in school whose sister was in my class all the way through, actually do that. She was a very nice girl too, but she got pregnant young, and her life was certainly far below the average of the others in the community for the rest of her life - just because of how society reacts).

“let's do this thang!”

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#566033 Nov 26, 2012
Anon wrote:
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Economic collapse destroys empires. Read history.
yeah - economic collapse due to obsessive living (aka butt-munching;)

“let's do this thang!”

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#566034 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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LOL
Hey waaasssuuup, I saw a barely legal hot babe on another thread. Wanna link? I know you doooooo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DnosPdD06GoXX
that's my dawg!

you gotta know that i come off as a playa only to tick off my adversaries who try to tell me what i can & can't do all the time, right?;)

“let's do this thang!”

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#566035 Nov 26, 2012
Anon wrote:
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Sure, one could do that. Only problem is, their friends will show them the damaging text the next day.
'just say "no"'!

all y'all try & bully me but you don't hear me cry'n about it, do ya now?;)

“Move into the light.”

Since: Dec 10

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#566036 Nov 26, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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do you ever apologize for your anger & hate? oh, i forgot that atheists are born perfect and can do no wrong.
we'll soon see about all that;)
Sure I do bro , I do have feelings for my fellowmen.
Especially those who impress me with wit or charm , likable people you know. I don't hate you. We just see things differently.
Just so you know I may be atheist , but don't mistake that for pacifist. I am not close to perfection , though I do strive for it. We have common ground that overrules religious thought.

As a fellow American you are my brother. Maybe the redheaded stepbrother but brother...lol
But as a fellow American I would have your back covered and walk point for you.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

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#566037 Nov 26, 2012
boooots wrote:
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It is only wrong, because our society has been conditioned for so long to think it is. I suspect that kids, who are raised in nudist homes and attend nudist colonies, are no more apt to do anything wrong than those who are taught that sex is dirty. In fact I suspect they would become more uninterested in the naked body, since that would be all they ever saw.
Yes, once the hormones kicked in at a certain age they would still want to put those bodies together, but that would happen anyway, and they don't have that horrible negative body image that has psychologically impaired many people.
As a whole, especially those of us raised in very strict religious homes, many have a very warped opinion about things to do with the body. It is a huge step to go from hearing about that horrible young girl in the neighborhood who got knocked up, embarrassing her family and having to be sent away to have her child so as to not embarrass them further, and then when another girl gets married all the old ladies are so excited when she get pregnant.
Both girls did the very same act, and in many cases the one who married before pregnancy did have premarital sex too, but didn't get pregnant, but the one who got pregnant in some cases totally destroyed her life (I saw a girl who was a few years ahead of me in school whose sister was in my class all the way through, actually do that. She was a very nice girl too, but she got pregnant young, and her life was certainly far below the average of the others in the community for the rest of her life - just because of how society reacts).
I am not saying there aren't dangers going to other extremes. No disrespect to any women in here but some of the most promiscuous girls and young women I knew came from ultra-strict households and over-bearing parents. The need to rebel is almost a genetic trait of all children and when subjugated for so long they explode at their first opportunity for independence. So yes, parents need to find a middle-ground. They shouldn't be trying to be their kid's buddy either. Kids have lots of friends or the chance to anyway. They one get one set of parents

So if parents want to be more open with their kids about sex and sexuality and the human body and teach them to respect its beauty and themselves and it works better than ruling with an iron first then more power to them.

But again, this is about living in a society where not everybody plays by the same rules. And I can't think of a single good reason that we should get a child thinking it is ok for an adult stranger to be naked around him. But I can think of many reasons why he shouldn't think it is ok

(T) Peace

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

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#566038 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
I agree that cultural norms generally come into play. Although we would have to know the standard morality of such a culture. Let's even shrink it down to a more controlled environment because that is the only way to do it where there could be any semblance of a guarantee that someone wouldn't use the fact that a child does not think there is anything wrong with adult nudity from strangers to abuse them. Say for instance a small nudist colony of moral people. Then I would say fine, the actual human form in and of itself is not a bad thing and in a controlled environment if he was/she was raised to still respect their bodies and others than I would have no problem...in a controlled environment
If an adult can handle public nudity, there's no reason a child couldn't also. It would depend on how they were raised/educated. Any possible damage that could be done to a child just by seeing the nude human form begins with conditioning them to have a negative reaction to it. That just naturally happens in a society like ours. The taboo here actually facilitates our economy. Sex sells. Our culture for the last 60 years or so has been heavily influenced by this concept. If nudity was no longer taboo, advertising would have to change to adapt. We'd have to rely less on skin and more on explicit sexual suggestion.
Skombolis wrote:
I agree, what if 'moral' is not always universal and just because we do not embrace it as aq society does not necessarily make it wrong. But in a society where pedophiles prey on children I cannot think of a single possible reason to allow an environment in which children think it is ok for strangers to be naked around them.
Pedophilia is more of a problem in cultures where there are many taboos and sexual repression. Due to the nature of American culture, we produce pedophiles and rapists. Repression breeds obsession. You need look no farther than the Catholic Priesthood to see that in action.
Skombolis wrote:
Yes the shame or stigma attached to our bodies play a role. It is socially engrained in most of us. I certainly couldn't walk around nude. And there may be an argument that is wrong and we should be proud of our bodies. That is fine for adults. My issue isn't that people want to walk around naked. My issue is that children are too impressionable and it leaves them more vulnerable in a dangerous society filled with immoral people. Although honestly even if you took that out of the equation, which there is no way to do, I still see no reason children should see adult strangers naked. But with the risk involved opening them up to being taken advantage of by a predator, it just outweighs any possible reward, if there even is one. IMO anyway
(T) Peace
Children are vulnerable when they aren't well supervised. It doesn't matter if they are naked to a predator. They are looking for easy prey, not naked prey. They'll get them naked after they catch them, so that's not a big deal from their perspective. Teaching children how to deal with strangers, naked or not, is important. There's no replacement for good parenting. There's also a better way to deal with predators where you don't need to limit peoples freedoms.

Muslim women are forced to where black sacks over their whole bodies because men can't control the urge to rape them. We see this as stupid and oppressive. Our cultural values may seem stupid and oppressive to naturalists.

If I see a dude walking around naked next to a school, I would surely call the police and follow the guy until the police arrested him. In a nudist society, that dude is just waiting for his kid to get out of school so he can walk the kid home safely.

“let's do this thang!”

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#566039 Nov 26, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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Sure you have.
It's often labeled as "Christianity".
it ain't my fault that you'd rather have a one-eyed trouser snake shoved down your throat than some good old fashioned common sense....

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

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#566040 Nov 26, 2012
I said "where" when I really meant "wear".

Where my black sack at?

“let's do this thang!”

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#566041 Nov 26, 2012
boooots wrote:
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Easier said than done, when the majority of kids spend a great deal of their time on the net. Yes if they are being bullied on Facebook or Youtube or wherever they can choose to not go there, but a child's curiosity will take them there anyway, even when the results are negative.
sssuuuurree! i can see that the 4th reich are using any excuse to take away freedoms of speech & all the dumb dumb lib hand-wringers are buying it hook, line & sinker.....
feces for jesus

East Meadow, NY

#566042 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Quit posting porn.
You see what you want to see, I guess... even if it really isn't there.

“Ditat Deus”

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#566043 Nov 26, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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This is when you lose your mind on the topic. No, it does not, they just find a new target ... if you're lucky. Bullies are the way they are because of their parents, my father set me straight, that's what it took, and that's all it took ... a four hour lecture of why he was disappointed in my behavior.
I mean, the way you all are talking about bullies it's as if you know nothing about the psychology or reasoning for their behavior at all. You are applying excessively simplistic logic to all this, and it's so far off the mark it's no wonder bullies are still causing so many problems.
True, when it comes to some punk bully at a school I really don't think about (or care) his feelings or psychological problems. All I think about is MY sons upbringing and well being.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

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#566044 Nov 26, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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it ain't my fault that you'd rather have a one-eyed trouser snake shoved down your throat than some good old fashioned common sense....
Your Jesus is showing.

Well done.

Maybe you should pray.

Since: Oct 10

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#566045 Nov 26, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LMAO! What's that? A cyber punch to the cyber nose?
Gimme a break.
You've obviously never been a teen girl. They can be absolutely ruthless.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

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#566046 Nov 26, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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that's my dawg!
you gotta know that i come off as a playa only to tick off my adversaries who try to tell me what i can & can't do all the time, right?;)
I'm not going to talk-block anybody.

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