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#566169 Nov 27, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
You are making two mistakes here Ians, and you will have to agree with me that your assessment is unfair. First you are putting and comparing politicians in with the Americans I was referring to ,which in a humanist view are still people (even if they are the lowest order of them).
Actually, I was referring to all of the people that agree with that politician and that author.

Sure, people are still people. You said, "As a fellow American you are my brother ... I would have your back covered and walk point for you."

That's fine, but commented "I used to feel that way, too, but not so much any more."

And I just offered Christian derek4's comment that he's "not brothers with the godless"

Will you risk your life for somebody like that because he happens to be American? I won't. In fact, if it were necessary to go to war to unseat his religion - if there were no other way to prevent his church from training generations more of his descendants to think that way about our descendants, that would be a war I would support.

I don't want to help him at all except in one way if possible: lead him out of the religion that taught him to think that way. If he remains as he is, and we both know that he likely will until the grave, I have nothing else for him.

Is that a character flaw on my part? Maybe. But if so, I don't feel any burden to work on it. Sorry, but even as a secular humanist, not all life is sacred to me. If somebody wants to take derek4's life, he can have somebody that he DOES consider a brother defend it.

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#566170 Nov 27, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
Secondly you are believing the politicians failed attempts at far right wing rhetoric and propaganda to apply and mean anything to us people in the real world. It's true the GOP has moved farther right wing than is desired and some of the politicians have moved close to fascism , but to me they even though are like my embarrassing drunken brother. In fact are still my brother , and are on the same team , so their stupidity is overlooked in that respect.
"to me they even though are like my embarrassing drunken brother. In fact are still my brother, and are on the same team , so their stupidity is overlooked in that respect."

Then you're a better man than I. Loyalty, fidelity, integrity: those things matter to me. I don't love my enemies. I think it's bad advice. But maybe I'm wrong there.

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#566171 Nov 27, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
I see it differently I guess , and the attitude that other Americans can't be on the same team is exactly the problem both candidates have spoken of. The problem of reaching across the isles beyond party lines and actually doing something that has meaning is a paramount concern and is the quality of a statesman.
I'm talking about the attitudes of "fellow Americans" that are also Christians and conservatives. When I lived in rural Missouri from 1998 to 2009, I really only got two stations on my radio that I could receive well enough to listen to in the daytime. One was a Jesus station, and the other featured Dennis "the pseudolibertarian" Prager in the morning, Rush "Ditto" Limbaugh at lunch time, and Sean "You're a great American" Hannity in the evening.

I was in the car most weekdays at those times, and heard them all. And I can tell you that I don't like or trust people that buy into that. I heard thousands of people over the years refer to liberals and skeptics as un-American, anti-American, parasites, a disease, traitors, and everything else but fellow American. And I remember the abuse heaped on names like Gore, Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Tom Daschle, Paul Wellstone, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama. The seething hatred was palpable. It was also directed at celebrity liberals like Susan Sarandon, Natalie Mains, Cindy Sheehan, and Sean Penn. The die was pretty well cast from all of those experiences. It was perfectly OK to hate liberals.

And though I don't hate conservatives, I don't trust or respect them, either. It would be pretty unnatural ask me to risk my life for such people or cover their backs in any way.

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#566172 Nov 27, 2012
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Who said I was a humanist? Who said I want the freedom of speech for christians removed?
WTF are you babbling about?
you came at me with the ole "my bigotry is okay because it's a good bigotry" routine and i called you on it; that's what i'm babbling about;)

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#566173 Nov 27, 2012
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Having had both a wife and and daughter who worked in what you call Children's Services, I would think that if wind got to them of a father who sent his kid to school with instructions to break a kid's nose if bullied, the father, or family, would be getting a visit from Children's Services.
So be it. Send them on out. I've already had this discusion with CPS. There's NOTHING wrong with defending yourself.

BTW - I've never sent my son to school with "instructions to break a kid's nose". You're not reading...
In a free society with laws and laws against violence, teaching a child that a violent act should be treated with another violent act, as opposed to getting the proper authorities to act on laws that are in place, especially today to deal with such situations is bad parenting, and has the potential of creating a violent adult in your child.
You know what the schools & cops do about bullies?

Nothing.

Until it's too late.

F_ck 'em. And everyone that looks like 'em.

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#566174 Nov 27, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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How many gay people do you know that want to marry the opposite sex? It's a law tailored exclusively for straights. Why do you want special rights?
why do you want to re-create the fate of sodom & gomorrah in our america??? "as it was in the days of Sodom so shall it be in the end" Jesus

go be a homo-activist in japan....

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#566175 Nov 27, 2012
boooots wrote:
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You got lucky because I think you should have been put on watch by Children's Services and your son should have received professional counseling about what is appropriate and what isn't appropriate behavior.
I don't wanna hear abour your cowardly parental tactics, boooots.

My sons are American and as such WILL defend themselves when necessary & are prepared to do so.

You can keep you Canadian "run away" tactics all you want. Don't peddle them at me.

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#566176 Nov 27, 2012
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Sorry the 'be French' went right over my head, and I didn't advise what you claimed I did.
Of course it did.

The French have become the p_ssy laughing stock. They are cowards & they run from a fight and ask for everyone else's help instead of standing their own ground.

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#566177 Nov 27, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So be it. Send them on out. I've already had this discusion with CPS. There's NOTHING wrong with defending yourself.
BTW - I've never sent my son to school with "instructions to break a kid's nose". You're not reading...
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You know what the schools & cops do about bullies?
Nothing.
Until it's too late.
F_ck 'em. And everyone that looks like 'em.
So you advocate people taking the law into their own hands.

Not sure how you reconcile your bent toward fascism with your bent toward anarchy while being totally clueless as to the middle ground.

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#566178 Nov 27, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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I've been to Blacks beach it's a pain to get to the shore from the bluffs and after a harrowing climb down you can try to relax but......
Down the way in Corona there's Glen Eden Sun Club. That's way better.
Al.... Have you been to Glen Ivy? ugh that place. My wife & I went just a few months ago. That place is gross. It seems like a disease infested place, especially the mud bath pool. And it's very expensive. I spent over $200 that day & didn't feel that relaxed.

An Oriental happy ending massage is cheaper & more relaxing.

...or so I've heard :)

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#566179 Nov 27, 2012
boooots wrote:
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Let's let that one go, okay; you appear all the time to be less and less of a believer, and just here to get people upset, and you have picked a side and throw in anything and everything regardless of how ridiculous.
Though I do not advocate church attendance now, because I do not believe there is a God, for those who do believe, in order to maintain the faith, and pass it on to the next generations, which would be what I expect true Christians would want, then you have to participate in the body of the church. If everyone decided they could believe in God and stay to themselves, yes, that is okay for them, but the religion would die out very quickly (by all means keep preaching what you are, because that would be a good thing).
The church continues because, at least until recently, it has had a strong organization which keeps the information and passes it on. An organization which members never show up for meetings dies very quickly. God is not just going to be passed on by osmosis, or by walking past someone who happens to be a believer. It takes organization and a lot of hard work to keep something that has no basis in fact going, and that won't happen, if everyone thinks they can do it alone.
Don't get me wrong, the church is a great place to go & learn about God.

I just don't go to church. I feel that they have become corrupted.

That's it.

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#566180 Nov 27, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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The norm.
I'm not a plumber. Females go inside females too. Males go inside males. We just use different tools.
All gays know each other, right?
aren't you sssssoooooo special!!!

why are we talking so much about your gayness? whotf cares?
can we move on to much more higher & nobler issues like....knowing God? if you need to hook-up, most of the rest of the internet is all about that.......

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#566181 Nov 27, 2012
boooots wrote:
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The act of expressing your opinion is not wrong, but denigrating and discriminating against gays, because they have a different sexual orientation, is wrong, and that is what you are promoting.
In what way am I "denigrating and discriminating against gays"??????

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#566182 Nov 27, 2012
Boooots wrote:
I was taught as a very young child to turn the other cheek, so when I was bullied I just let them do it.

RiversideRedneck wrote:
You were raised to be a sissy?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
No, he was raised to be a Christian doormat. Christian ethics teach submission to Massah. That's why you are admonished to take whatever is dished out to you, and be grateful for the abuse when you do.
The Sermon on the Mount is a set of instructions from the ruling class to the peasant class on how to think and behave as they are being exploited and discriminated against.
No, he was raised to be a coward & to run away from a fight and go tattle.

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#566183 Nov 27, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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I'm open to adaptation and improvisation.
of course you are! that's what being 'gay' is all about S E X!!!

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#566184 Nov 27, 2012
blundunt wrote:
People die. Why? Well... then what? Nothing? How? Why did God make a world where everything in it DIES? There is good and there is evil. Up and down In and out Rich and poor Free and Slave right and wrong Black and white right and left Soft and hard wet and dry Heaven and Hell?
*hint*

A born again Christian doesn't die....

Just FYI.

OCB

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#566185 Nov 27, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So be it. Send them on out. I've already had this discusion with CPS. There's NOTHING wrong with defending yourself.
BTW - I've never sent my son to school with "instructions to break a kid's nose". You're not reading...
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You know what the schools & cops do about bullies?
Nothing.
Until it's too late.
F_ck 'em. And everyone that looks like 'em.
"The phrase "violence begets violence" (or "hate begets hate") means that violent behavior promotes other violent behavior, in return. The phrase has been used for over 50 years, as in speeches by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.(1958)[1] or the news report "Study: TV Violence Begets Violence" by CBS News (March 2003).[2]

Violence begets violence and evil begets evil are concepts described in the Gospel of Matthew, verse 26:52.[3] The passage depicts a disciple (identified in the Gospel of John as Peter) drawing a sword to defend against the arrest of Jesus but being told to sheath his weapon:

Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_begets_...

“But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” Matthew 5:39

To turn the other cheek is neither humiliating nor retaliation. It is rather a response of strength that says,“I will not seek revenge because I am stronger than that”. It also says, I will not respond in shame because I have dignity in Christ. My dignity is not found in if I can hit you back and hurt you. My dignity is found in Christ and I will respond in just the way He would respond."

http://provocativechristian.wordpress.com/200...

Well, you've said that where religion and a belief in Jesus is concerned, you are allowing your kids to make up their own minds, which is basically a good thing.

Then again, for someone who claims to believe in Jesus, don't you have a responsibility to your children to teach them that the Jesus you believe in was a PACIFIST who did not condone acts of violent retaliation which you are encouraging your kids to engage in?

Or is it that you only follow what your Jesus preached when it is convenient for you?

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#566186 Nov 27, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>So you advocate people taking the law into their own hands.
No. I advocate self defense. Why is tha such a big damn deal?

OCB

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#566187 Nov 27, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't wanna hear abour your cowardly parental tactics, boooots.
My sons are American and as such WILL defend themselves when necessary & are prepared to do so.
You can keep you Canadian "run away" tactics all you want. Don't peddle them at me.
Did you ever consider that to walk away from a fight is actually much more courageous than it is to lower oneself to the level of the person who started the fight?

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#566188 Nov 27, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Did you ever consider that to walk away from a fight is actually much more courageous than it is to lower oneself to the level of the person who started the fight?
Of course. What, do you think I teach them to knock out everyone that looks sideways at them?

No.

I teach them to defend themselves when necessary and to NOT put up with people's bullshit.

Otherwise people turn into cowards that piss their pants at the first sign of trouble.

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