Prove there's a god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566146 Nov 27, 2012
United in faith wrote:
THAT IS LOVE........love like you have ever known, nor will ever know. God is good. He loves you even while you are a sinner.
It's indistinguishable from indifference and neglect. Consider the Garden, the tree and the snake. Creating a situation like that is called depraved indifference in American law:

"To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting." http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depraved-ind...

If you leave your keys in the ignition of your car with it running, the front door open, a case of beer in the front seat, even if you leave a note of warning on the windshield to not steal it, then you can't successfully claim that the drunk driving death caused by the teen who stole it was not your fault. It is if the outcome is foreseeable. Did your god not know how that Garden scene would turn out?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566147 Nov 27, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
If a child is raised in a culture where nudity in public is normal, it will not harm them at all.
Most people in history lived in one room homes - caves, igloos, teepees, whatever - and saw it all without harm. Children slept with parents who made love while they were under the same skins with them. They also saw people poop, pee, menstruate, give birth and die. No problem.
Tide with Beach wrote:
It's only in societies like ours where public nudity could cause psychological damage to a child. It's only after they have been instilled with subjective cultural values that nudity becomes offensive.
“Religion. It’s given hope in a world torn apart by religion.”– Jon Stewart

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566148 Nov 27, 2012
Boooots wrote:
I was taught as a very young child to turn the other cheek, so when I was bullied I just let them do it.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You were raised to be a sissy?
No, he was raised to be a Christian doormat. Christian ethics teach submission to Massah. That's why you are admonished to take whatever is dished out to you, and be grateful for the abuse when you do.

The Sermon on the Mount is a set of instructions from the ruling class to the peasant class on how to think and behave as they are being exploited and discriminated against.

Blessed, supposedly, are the poor in spirit, those who mourn, the meek, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, the merciful, the pure in heart and the peacemakers. I find nothing wise or comforting in admonitions to be poor of spirit or meek. Be robust of spirit and as assertive as the situation requires.

Who wants you to accept being dispirited, tolerating grief, not asserting yourself, honest to them, forgiving of them and pacifistic with them? Who benefits if, when I punch you, you don't retaliate, defend yourself or even walk away? Cui bono?

The bosses don't want you seeking justice. You are to tolerate injustice, and be merciful to them, to forgive and forget. Put that cheek right out there again, will ya? No, not quite like that - turn it a little more. Great. Thanks.[Whack!]

Christianity promises to make it up to you in the afterlife. By tolerating all of this earthly abuse, you believe that you're earning brownie points to be redeemed postmortem, when all accounts will be settled, and you will be a king in a mansion! The promise is that if you put up with it here, in Heaven, at last, you won’t be a loser.

Meh.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#566149 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Most people in history lived in one room homes - caves, igloos, teepees, whatever - and saw it all without harm. Children slept with parents who made love while they were under the same skins with them. They also saw people poop, pee, menstruate, give birth and die. No problem.
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“Religion. It’s given hope in a world torn apart by religion.”– Jon Stewart
Great quote! Jon Stewart is a legend

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#566150 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yet man is sent there. Are you suggesting that your god was unaware of what he would use his hell for when he created it?
Since when?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566151 Nov 27, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
Did you know that the primary reason the teenage brain is in chaos is due to a restructuring of neurons? That rebellion people see and stereotype teenagers with is actually their brain fighting itself. The outward projection of that battle is to defy authority. This change in the neural pathways doesn't stop until the early 20's. It's not about hormones at all, the hormones are just another symptom of the same event. Now, how many parents actually know this?
I have a different read on what that rebellion is all about. I think it's one of three instincts that conspire to launch new households.

At a certain age young people begin experiencing lust, which is necessary to get boys and girls together. Before the lust, it's all about cooties.

Girls also develop a nesting and mothering instinct, and want a baby. Without that, why would you have one except by accident?

And finally, children of both genders become restless and argumentative, which promotes their leaving home.

Together, these create new families, a gift of evolution.

What do you think?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566153 Nov 27, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
As a fellow American you are my brother. Maybe the redheaded stepbrother but brother...lol But as a fellow American I would have your back covered and walk point for you.
I used to feel that way, too, but not so much any more. The division along political and religious lines trumps being a fellow American. I happen to be politically liberal and an atheist. I wouldn't expect American Christians or conservatives to stand by me.

Am I wrong? How can we know? I doubt that asking conservatives or Christians would help. I'm pretty sure that I know what their answer has to be, however they actually feel.

Christians and conservatives have been taking shots at both groups, including some of the most prominent of them saying the most outrageous things about us with almost no blow back. Romney recently made an outrageous comment about Obama voters and gift, and look at the hullabaloo. And when Don Imus said something about nappy-headed hos, there was a bruhahah.

But neither of these comments raised much of ruckus:

“No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H. W. Bush

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant." - Ann Coulter

Should I expect support from such people, or the tens of millions that are happy enough with them to elect one of them to the White House and put eight books by the other on best seller lists?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566154 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Yet man is sent there. Are you suggesting that your god was unaware of what he would use his hell for when he created it?
Lil Ticked wrote:
Since when?
Since when what? The sent to hell part, the you suggesting something part, the being unaware part, the using hell part, the creating hell part, or some other part?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#566155 Nov 27, 2012
Just look around you...
feces for jesus

East Meadow, NY

#566156 Nov 27, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I tend to agree with you, as when the issue first came to my attention on here a day or two ago, I looked it up and found the same information that you posted. The only possibility that might lead others to believe that hell didn't come around until a few years ago, is there is some discussion about what the meanings of those words are, as they have various meanings in their original language.
Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus are not equal to the christian lie of hell. If you wanted to understand where the word Hel/hell comes from and get a better understanding of it, check the etymology.

The original (and current) meaning of Hel is that it is one of the nine worlds of Yggdrassil. It is a realm of COLDNESS and stillness and has nothing to do with eternal damnation and torture, or burning. It is unfortunate that the beliefs and traditions of those we call vikings have been distorted so much.
blundunt

Midlothian, IL

#566157 Nov 27, 2012
People die. Why? Well... then what? Nothing? How? Why did God make a world where everything in it DIES? There is good and there is evil. Up and down In and out Rich and poor Free and Slave right and wrong Black and white right and left Soft and hard wet and dry Heaven and Hell?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#566158 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I used to feel that way, too, but not so much any more. The division along political and religious lines trumps being a fellow American. I happen to be politically liberal and an atheist. I wouldn't expect American Christians or conservatives to stand by me.
Am I wrong? How can we know? I doubt that asking conservatives or Christians would help. I'm pretty sure that I know what their answer has to be, however they actually feel.
Christians and conservatives have been taking shots at both groups, including some of the most prominent of them saying the most outrageous things about us with almost no blow back. Romney recently made an outrageous comment about Obama voters and gift, and look at the hullabaloo. And when Don Imus said something about nappy-headed hos, there was a bruhahah.
But neither of these comments raised much of ruckus:
“No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H. W. Bush
"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant." - Ann Coulter
Should I expect support from such people, or the tens of millions that are happy enough with them to elect one of them to the White House and put eight books by the other on best seller lists?
You are making two mistakes here Ians, and you will have to agree with me that your assessment is unfair.

First you are putting and comparing politicians in with the Americans I was referring to ,which in a humanist view are still people (even if they are the lowest order of them).

Secondly you are believing the politicians failed attempts at far right wing rhetoric and propaganda to apply and mean anything to us people in the real world.

It's true the GOP has moved farther right wing
than is desired and some of the politicians have moved close to fascism , but to me they even though are like my embarrassing drunken brother. In fact are still my brother , and are on the same team , so their stupidity is overlooked in that respect.

I see it differently I guess , and the attitude that other Americans can't be on the same team is exactly the problem both candidates have spoken of. The problem of reaching across the isles beyond party lines and actually doing something that has meaning is a paramount concern and is the quality of a statesman.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#566160 Nov 27, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. yes, I will ..
Oh us, duh... According to Mr1000Socjs, you ARE him...

Apologetics, I mean apologies.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#566162 Nov 27, 2012
River Tam wrote:
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He can borrow my pants anytime he wants to. A little secret RR. He's my friend. "What?", you may ask. A homosexual and a heterosexual being friends? Should we call the thought police? A priest? A tailor?
Call someone who cares.

Here's a quarter :)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#566163 Nov 27, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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You callin' me fat?
LMAO!

um no, straight.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#566164 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I used to feel that way, too, but not so much any more. The division along political and religious lines trumps being a fellow American. I happen to be politically liberal and an atheist. I wouldn't expect American Christians or conservatives to stand by me.

Am I wrong? How can we know? I doubt that asking conservatives or Christians would help. I'm pretty sure that I know what their answer has to be, however they actually feel.

Christians and conservatives have been taking shots at both groups, including some of the most prominent of them saying the most outrageous things about us with almost no blow back. Romney recently made an outrageous comment about Obama voters and gift, and look at the hullabaloo. And when Don Imus said something about nappy-headed hos, there was a bruhahah.

But neither of these comments raised much of ruckus:

“No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H. W. Bush

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant." - Ann Coulter

Should I expect support from such people, or the tens of millions that are happy enough with them to elect one of them to the White House and put eight books by the other on best seller lists?
Here's a little refreshing honesty I just read on another thread
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... :

Adam wrote in response to something vile from Christian derek4: "lol. Brotherly love on display."

derek4 replied: "I'm not brothers with the godless."

That's what I thought, and why I'm pretty sure that the Christians would not stand beside a "fellow American" who is more fully known as a vile, godless abomination in the eyes of an infinitely good and loving god that judges him fit for eternal torment just because he was born in Alabama and I was born in California.

Who would risk his life for - or even take the part of - somebody that he has been conditioned to think of in such terms? Once you understand this, doesn't the feeling tend to become mutual?

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#566165 Nov 27, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to feel that way, too, but not so much any more. The division along political and religious lines trumps being a fellow American. I happen to be politically liberal and an atheist. I wouldn't expect American Christians or conservatives to stand by me.
Am I wrong? How can we know? I doubt that asking conservatives or Christians would help. I'm pretty sure that I know what their answer has to be, however they actually feel.
Christians and conservatives have been taking shots at both groups, including some of the most prominent of them saying the most outrageous things about us with almost no blow back. Romney recently made an outrageous comment about Obama voters and gift, and look at the hullabaloo. And when Don Imus said something about nappy-headed hos, there was a bruhahah.
But neither of these comments raised much of ruckus:
“No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”– George H. W. Bush
"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant." - Ann Coulter
Should I expect support from such people, or the tens of millions that are happy enough with them to elect one of them to the White House and put eight books by the other on best seller lists?
Your doubts will be quickly confirmed if you visit the "Bush Is a Hero" thread.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#566166 Nov 27, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You are making two mistakes here Ians, and you will have to agree with me that your assessment is unfair.
First you are putting and comparing politicians in with the Americans I was referring to ,which in a humanist view are still people (even if they are the lowest order of them).
Secondly you are believing the politicians failed attempts at far right wing rhetoric and propaganda to apply and mean anything to us people in the real world.
It's true the GOP has moved farther right wing
than is desired and some of the politicians have moved close to fascism , but to me they even though are like my embarrassing drunken brother. In fact are still my brother , and are on the same team , so their stupidity is overlooked in that respect.
I see it differently I guess , and the attitude that other Americans can't be on the same team is exactly the problem both candidates have spoken of. The problem of reaching across the isles beyond party lines and actually doing something that has meaning is a paramount concern and is the quality of a statesman.
Okay, quick question. Do you think people like United in Faith, Timesten, Simply Said, Bongo, Just Results, bossdrop would have your back in a war?
Flagler Beach

Lincoln, AL

#566167 Nov 27, 2012
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Tax exempt status ring a bell?
And it should stay that way since only the faith based organizations do anything to help clean up the messes after disasters in this country. You atheists sit back and do nothing but bash those who are helping.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#566168 Nov 27, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Jesus is showing.
Well done.
Maybe you should pray.
your anti-christ is showing & it's much worse than my failures at attempting to be true.

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