“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#565750 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.
Quite frankly I could do without seeing it myself as most the population would not fall into the category of those I would be lining up to see naked. But if it was a private community of just adults or something, well, it isn't exactly going on my "Things to worry about" list. I have more important things going on and whatever floats your boat I guess if someone is a nudist.
But in an age where 5th graders are having sex in front of other students in the middle of class and chicks are blowing dudes for rides at lunch, and every pop-star looks and dresses like she is on her way to a porno shoot the last thing we need is children seeing people walk around naked. And under any circumstances it is just flat-out inappropriate for them to see an adult stranger naked.
Yes body-image is out-of-control where everybody is made to feel bad about themselves and if adults want to embrace the idea that they are comfortable in their bodies enough to be naked around one another then more power to them. Just keep it away from the kids. People's rights can't infringe on the right's of others. That's just the rules.
(T) Peace
What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#565751 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
yikes nano! I hadn't even considered the genitals at face level. And taco? I umm.... Was eating one actually when I read your post and ummm I kinda lost my appetite. Gave it to Wishbone ( my dog)
I also hadn't considered the lack of child respect angle either.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#565752 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>yikes nano! I hadn't even considered the genitals at face level. And taco? I umm.... Was eating one actually when I read your post and ummm I kinda lost my appetite. Gave it to Wishbone ( my dog)
I also hadn't considered the lack of child respect angle either.
Kids deserve more consideration than they get from adults with selfish agendas.

We need to look at the world from their point of view more often.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565753 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
Man the eye-level thing just made it tens times worse! Yeah that is disturbing on so many levels. Can you imagine trying to do just every day activities with genitals right in your face? It would make for a funny comedy probably for the movies but is no lashing matter in real life.

When my God-child sleeps over he is in his room and I sleep in mine in my boxers. Of course i put pants on before leaving my room but I always use the bathroom with my shift off. Just a habit i guess. Well my parents told me when he was at their house he insisted on using the bathroom with his shirt off and wouldn't go any other way because that is how I do it. Well that is endearing is shows how easily influenced they are. And when I think of pedophiles like Jerry Sandusky at Penn State and how he took advantage of a situation that caused someone to already be undressed like the showers, this made me think of how much easier an abuser might be able to molest a child if a child thinks it is normal for an adult to be around them naked. Or how much easier an adult could convince them to get naked.

I am no prude. My life through college was pretty much a pursuit of one-night stands. But I was also in my 20's obviously. And I could go back and talk to myself even at that age I would tell myself stop drinking and doing drugs and sleeping around and find someone you want to be with because not you are going to get real sick of this at one point but everybody pays the piper eventually too.

I am getting off-track but point is even for adults the loose morals isn't a good thing but adults are adults and they can do what they want. But we have to give these kids a fighting chance. We can't open them up to abuse. We have to teach them to respect their bodies and to respect other people and see them as more that a way to get a sexual release. Even without abuse, a message that might get lost with genitals in their face all day. JMO

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565754 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Well said.:)
Thanks
Janine

Columbia, MD

#565755 Nov 26, 2012
Well, God is Nature. God is life. God as we know it is a force larger than ourselves. You didn't create yourself, nor did your parents create themselves. Something larger than us created humanity, and keeps it alive. Something makes the seasons change, or brings babies into the world, or makes the grass grow. We humans can't do that (well yes, we can create babies) but not without the laws of nature. This isn't religion its a fact. Maybe your thinking about the idea of God being in the sky, answering people's prayers. But religion and spiritual beliefs aside, look around you. What's not man made, was created by something larger than us. It didn't just appear out of thin air, and even if it did, wouldn't that prove that something much more powerful than ourselves is at work?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#565756 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
I don't know whether to laugh or be grossed out.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#565757 Nov 26, 2012
Janine wrote:
Well, God is Nature. God is life. God as we know it is a force larger than ourselves. You didn't create yourself, nor did your parents create themselves. Something larger than us created humanity, and keeps it alive. Something makes the seasons change, or brings babies into the world, or makes the grass grow. We humans can't do that (well yes, we can create babies) but not without the laws of nature. This isn't religion its a fact. Maybe your thinking about the idea of God being in the sky, answering people's prayers. But religion and spiritual beliefs aside, look around you. What's not man made, was created by something larger than us. It didn't just appear out of thin air, and even if it did, wouldn't that prove that something much more powerful than ourselves is at work?
Good grief.

Somebody check me on this - I think that's every single Fundie logic flaw in just one post!
Believer

London, KY

#565758 Nov 26, 2012
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#565759 Nov 26, 2012
Believer wrote:
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!
Oh, that old thing again?

How long has it been now?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#565760 Nov 26, 2012
Believer wrote:
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!
The end of what?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#565761 Nov 26, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know whether to laugh or be grossed out.
I gotta say, when I was a kid I never considered that I was at that level, it didn't cross my mind.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#565762 Nov 26, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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I gotta say, when I was a kid I never considered that I was at that level, it didn't cross my mind.
It may have when you were clinging to the leg of a nudist and their dangly bits were brushing up against your ear.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#565763 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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You were correct kiddo. It was the city council that voted and not a public vote. I stand corrected.
Public nudity should be allowed only in certain restricted areas and not just out anywhere anyone chooses out in public.
I agree. I think, from reading, that most of the issues were centered around the Castro District. From what I've heard of it, there are a lot of strange people there. They give homosexuals a bad name. I'm homosexual and even I wouldn't go there let alone take a child there. Parents have a responsibility as well to keep their children away from things like that.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#565764 Nov 26, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>It may have when you were clinging to the leg of a nudist and their dangly bits were brushing up against your ear.
hahaa...

I guess if you were the child of a nudist, it might have been a concern.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#565766 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Public nudity is fine for those that accept it and don't have a problem with it but still it should be kept private between them because there are many people that don't agree with it and have their own personal reasons for doing so.
It seems like part of the discussion here has been about how Christians are accused of "pushing their beliefs or agenda" on others but in this instance i must point out that you're suggesting that people who agree with public nudity be allowed to push their agenda or beliefs against a population that disagrees with it. Pardon me, but your view sounds very much like a double standard to me.
I strongly believe that it should be up to the parents to decide how the child will be raised regarding nudity, or the birds and the bees or any other issue of a personal issue. Not some stranger on the street with a swinging Johnson or a bare va jay jay.
Oh, Al! hahaha!

I don't want to see old naked men walking around either! Blach! And the smell....

I just didn't like their argument that kids shouldn't see genitalia. It's a stupid argument, since kids have genitalia.

And I didn't bring up the Christian angle - you did! It's an inevitable comparison, though, since we're talking about San Francisco. They weren't really making a Christian argument, however. Their whole point was that "we'd like to allow nudity, but if we do, these gay men take advantage of that and walk around naked." hahaha, what a hypocritical position - the "we want nudity to be legal for the very occasional time someone wants to exercise that right, and we'd love it if more women were naked, but since old gay men want to walk around naked and, let's be honest, their bodies aren't much to look at, we're going to repeal our law. For the kids."

I personally find it disingenuous and silly. But you know what? I don't want to see old naked men when I'm drinking my coffee at Starbucks, either. Yuk! Now, if the law was for "mostly unclad male and female models, professional athletes, and actors" I'd be a bit more interested.

They should have used a better justification, though. Silly San Francisco.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#565767 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.
Why??? That's crazy! You think someone else's nudity hurts your child???

That's insane. What do you think is going to happen to the child? Do you think s/he will explode? Suddenly become a Muslim? I mean, get real.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#565768 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.
Quite frankly I could do without seeing it myself as most the population would not fall into the category of those I would be lining up to see naked. But if it was a private community of just adults or something, well, it isn't exactly going on my "Things to worry about" list. I have more important things going on and whatever floats your boat I guess if someone is a nudist.
But in an age where 5th graders are having sex in front of other students in the middle of class and chicks are blowing dudes for rides at lunch, and every pop-star looks and dresses like she is on her way to a porno shoot the last thing we need is children seeing people walk around naked. And under any circumstances it is just flat-out inappropriate for them to see an adult stranger naked.
Yes body-image is out-of-control where everybody is made to feel bad about themselves and if adults want to embrace the idea that they are comfortable in their bodies enough to be naked around one another then more power to them. Just keep it away from the kids. People's rights can't infringe on the right's of others. That's just the rules.
(T) Peace
Al Garcia wrote:
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Well said.:)
No, it wasn't well said. It was an appeal to violence.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#565769 Nov 26, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
No, it wasn't well said. It was an appeal to violence.
At the end he said , "people's right can not violate the rights of others". That is exactly the opposite to an appeal for violence.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#565770 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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I can't say nothing i believe what taught to me by man. But I can say fairly confidently that nothing I believe is because man taught it to me. Only what I have come to discover on my own or confirm on my own that I found or someone else showed me makes it past the cutting room floor. Some things people taught me I have found to be correct. A lot of things I have found not to be.
I think people would be shocked if they knew how little the person that taught them actually knew. It is very hard to teach people the Bible. It is a very long and complicated read and takes tons of cross-referencing. Back in the day when most priests learned what they did in seminary, they had no indexes, they had no Internet, the had no Bible searches by keyword or subject. They had no online commentaries or concordances or lexicons. They didn't have input from thousands of people with the same. We have huge advantages these days so I am not knocking priests for only knowing what they do. But there is a good chance many of them didn't know as much as they would need to in order to properly teach it. So they drew their own conclusions often on limited information which leads to errors.
Any serious student of the bible IMO has to start from scratch. Then go though and keep the beliefs they find to be correct and discard the rest. Knowing how fallible man is and therefore how many teachers must be, it is amazing to me people are so resistant to doing this. I feel like I owe it to myself and God to try to figure out what it is He is trying to get me to understand. That is way more important than clinging to something because of indoctrination.
Ok, meant to get off of here a long time ago!
(T) Peace
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