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Since: Nov 10

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#565743 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia | 3 min ago
karl44 wrote:
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cut me the cheque buddy and I will be happy to give you my report.
I go for 800/ day plus expenses.
oh that is my skeptic rate.
If you wish my services as a former christian it is 3 times that.

Lol! Would you consider a free one year membership to the Watchtower Society as a down payment?

Al thought about it a minute later and said:
Nah!!! I wouldn't want a Watchtower membership either........

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565744 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Public nudity is fine for those that accept it and don't have a problem with it but still it should be kept private between them because there are many people that don't agree with it and have their own personal reasons for doing so.
It seems like part of the discussion here has been about how Christians are accused of "pushing their beliefs or agenda" on others but in this instance i must point out that you're suggesting that people who agree with public nudity be allowed to push their agenda or beliefs against a population that disagrees with it. Pardon me, but your view sounds very much like a double standard to me.
I strongly believe that it should be up to the parents to decide how the child will be raised regarding nudity, or the birds and the bees or any other issue of a personal issue. Not some stranger on the street with a swinging Johnson or a bare va jay jay.
Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.

Quite frankly I could do without seeing it myself as most the population would not fall into the category of those I would be lining up to see naked. But if it was a private community of just adults or something, well, it isn't exactly going on my "Things to worry about" list. I have more important things going on and whatever floats your boat I guess if someone is a nudist.

But in an age where 5th graders are having sex in front of other students in the middle of class and chicks are blowing dudes for rides at lunch, and every pop-star looks and dresses like she is on her way to a porno shoot the last thing we need is children seeing people walk around naked. And under any circumstances it is just flat-out inappropriate for them to see an adult stranger naked.

Yes body-image is out-of-control where everybody is made to feel bad about themselves and if adults want to embrace the idea that they are comfortable in their bodies enough to be naked around one another then more power to them. Just keep it away from the kids. People's rights can't infringe on the right's of others. That's just the rules.

(T) Peace

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#565745 Nov 26, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I could be wrong, Al, as I don't live in Cali but I don't think the population voted on it. From what I've read, it was the City Counsil. I'm not sure how the population at large feels about public nudity. Either way, I seriously doubt that the law will make much difference.
Your probably right River. I'll have to read up on it.
I personally don't have an issue with nudity for reasons I won't discuss here but i do if its being pushed on people, especially children.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#565746 Nov 26, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I could be wrong, Al, as I don't live in Cali but I don't think the population voted on it. From what I've read, it was the City Counsil. I'm not sure how the population at large feels about public nudity. Either way, I seriously doubt that the law will make much difference.
If you're going to talk about nudity, then I'm leaving.

Perv.

Goodnight :)

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#565747 Nov 26, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I could be wrong, Al, as I don't live in Cali but I don't think the population voted on it. From what I've read, it was the City Counsil. I'm not sure how the population at large feels about public nudity. Either way, I seriously doubt that the law will make much difference.
You were correct kiddo. It was the city council that voted and not a public vote. I stand corrected.
Public nudity should be allowed only in certain restricted areas and not just out anywhere anyone chooses out in public.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565748 Nov 26, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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It was, but it was also completely genuine. Sometimes the truth is very useful. I mentioned compartmentalization in one of my posts. This is an example of me being genuine, while at the same time, eliciting a specific response. People do this all the time, but I'm pointing it out. It's subtle manipulation, that would usually go undetected. If things like this are wrong, then we need to take a closer look at human relationships. Again, I'm just pointing this out for educational purposes. I'm not attempting to pull your strings for the fun of it. I'm just appealing to your sensibilities to facilitate conversation. I wouldn't do that with a lie as fuel.
That may be the most honest post I have ever read on Topix. I think 99.9% of people would simply just say it sincere. I don't begrudge the fact that you also did it because you felt it would be effective. I do the same thing. You are absolutely correct when you say the truth can be very effective. Of course if we want to reach someone we are going to pick the avenue that will most appeal to them while maintaining our own integrity by being truthful. The people I really like on Topix is not a large group. The people I respect is even smaller. This entire post but especially this part has guaranteed the latter. I have a feeling the former won't be an issue either
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>Topix debates, if you can call them that, rarely have a winner. Speaking of debates, I've never seen one on Topix. Debates have rules. While I think many here are capable of having an actual debate, I've never seen it. That's not really a bad thing, I guess. I would prefer to get as close to a civil debate as possible, every once in a while. But if it's not fun for me, or a learning experience, I tend to just look for and expose weaknesses. That's just part of who I am. I'm detail oriented. I consider that a flaw when it comes to having fruitful discussions.
<quoted text>
LOL, it may be a flaw but if so I am guilty of it too. I can't help it. Like you my goal is to have a civil debate, try to win it if i feel strongly about it, and in all cases hopefully learn from it. But man when I see a weakness or an inconsistency or something illogical it is like low-hanging fruit. And it doesn't matter how small. I came in second in a state extemporaneous debate in High School. The format is they give you a subject, tell you what side to defend, and give you 5 minutes to prepare. So you can't research or anything and I have found even the tiniest flaws when pressed the right way can just unravel a person. I'd be lying if i said my ego wasn't a factor. But normally that is when things are already going south. I try not to resort to it in general
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
That sounds good to me.
:)
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry for being a d!ck.
me too

(T) Peace

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#565749 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.
Quite frankly I could do without seeing it myself as most the population would not fall into the category of those I would be lining up to see naked. But if it was a private community of just adults or something, well, it isn't exactly going on my "Things to worry about" list. I have more important things going on and whatever floats your boat I guess if someone is a nudist.
But in an age where 5th graders are having sex in front of other students in the middle of class and chicks are blowing dudes for rides at lunch, and every pop-star looks and dresses like she is on her way to a porno shoot the last thing we need is children seeing people walk around naked. And under any circumstances it is just flat-out inappropriate for them to see an adult stranger naked.
Yes body-image is out-of-control where everybody is made to feel bad about themselves and if adults want to embrace the idea that they are comfortable in their bodies enough to be naked around one another then more power to them. Just keep it away from the kids. People's rights can't infringe on the right's of others. That's just the rules.
(T) Peace
Well said.:)

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Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#565750 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely. I don't give a rat's ass what someone's sexual orientation is nor would a child even know that's an issue. My God-child is four and if any dude walked by him naked, gay or straight, he is going to find clothing by way of an EMS gown.
Quite frankly I could do without seeing it myself as most the population would not fall into the category of those I would be lining up to see naked. But if it was a private community of just adults or something, well, it isn't exactly going on my "Things to worry about" list. I have more important things going on and whatever floats your boat I guess if someone is a nudist.
But in an age where 5th graders are having sex in front of other students in the middle of class and chicks are blowing dudes for rides at lunch, and every pop-star looks and dresses like she is on her way to a porno shoot the last thing we need is children seeing people walk around naked. And under any circumstances it is just flat-out inappropriate for them to see an adult stranger naked.
Yes body-image is out-of-control where everybody is made to feel bad about themselves and if adults want to embrace the idea that they are comfortable in their bodies enough to be naked around one another then more power to them. Just keep it away from the kids. People's rights can't infringe on the right's of others. That's just the rules.
(T) Peace
What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#565751 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
yikes nano! I hadn't even considered the genitals at face level. And taco? I umm.... Was eating one actually when I read your post and ummm I kinda lost my appetite. Gave it to Wishbone ( my dog)
I also hadn't considered the lack of child respect angle either.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#565752 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>yikes nano! I hadn't even considered the genitals at face level. And taco? I umm.... Was eating one actually when I read your post and ummm I kinda lost my appetite. Gave it to Wishbone ( my dog)
I also hadn't considered the lack of child respect angle either.
Kids deserve more consideration than they get from adults with selfish agendas.

We need to look at the world from their point of view more often.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565753 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
Man the eye-level thing just made it tens times worse! Yeah that is disturbing on so many levels. Can you imagine trying to do just every day activities with genitals right in your face? It would make for a funny comedy probably for the movies but is no lashing matter in real life.

When my God-child sleeps over he is in his room and I sleep in mine in my boxers. Of course i put pants on before leaving my room but I always use the bathroom with my shift off. Just a habit i guess. Well my parents told me when he was at their house he insisted on using the bathroom with his shirt off and wouldn't go any other way because that is how I do it. Well that is endearing is shows how easily influenced they are. And when I think of pedophiles like Jerry Sandusky at Penn State and how he took advantage of a situation that caused someone to already be undressed like the showers, this made me think of how much easier an abuser might be able to molest a child if a child thinks it is normal for an adult to be around them naked. Or how much easier an adult could convince them to get naked.

I am no prude. My life through college was pretty much a pursuit of one-night stands. But I was also in my 20's obviously. And I could go back and talk to myself even at that age I would tell myself stop drinking and doing drugs and sleeping around and find someone you want to be with because not you are going to get real sick of this at one point but everybody pays the piper eventually too.

I am getting off-track but point is even for adults the loose morals isn't a good thing but adults are adults and they can do what they want. But we have to give these kids a fighting chance. We can't open them up to abuse. We have to teach them to respect their bodies and to respect other people and see them as more that a way to get a sexual release. Even without abuse, a message that might get lost with genitals in their face all day. JMO

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#565754 Nov 26, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
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Well said.:)
Thanks
Janine

Columbia, MD

#565755 Nov 26, 2012
Well, God is Nature. God is life. God as we know it is a force larger than ourselves. You didn't create yourself, nor did your parents create themselves. Something larger than us created humanity, and keeps it alive. Something makes the seasons change, or brings babies into the world, or makes the grass grow. We humans can't do that (well yes, we can create babies) but not without the laws of nature. This isn't religion its a fact. Maybe your thinking about the idea of God being in the sky, answering people's prayers. But religion and spiritual beliefs aside, look around you. What's not man made, was created by something larger than us. It didn't just appear out of thin air, and even if it did, wouldn't that prove that something much more powerful than ourselves is at work?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#565756 Nov 26, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>What adults should consider is that their privates will be at face level (or very close to it) to most children. Not many of us adults would enjoy asking for a drink or a taco from someone whose genitals are in our face. Kids already don't get enough respect as human beings without having to converse with adults' genitals in every social situation.
I don't know whether to laugh or be grossed out.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#565757 Nov 26, 2012
Janine wrote:
Well, God is Nature. God is life. God as we know it is a force larger than ourselves. You didn't create yourself, nor did your parents create themselves. Something larger than us created humanity, and keeps it alive. Something makes the seasons change, or brings babies into the world, or makes the grass grow. We humans can't do that (well yes, we can create babies) but not without the laws of nature. This isn't religion its a fact. Maybe your thinking about the idea of God being in the sky, answering people's prayers. But religion and spiritual beliefs aside, look around you. What's not man made, was created by something larger than us. It didn't just appear out of thin air, and even if it did, wouldn't that prove that something much more powerful than ourselves is at work?
Good grief.

Somebody check me on this - I think that's every single Fundie logic flaw in just one post!
Believer

London, KY

#565758 Nov 26, 2012
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#565759 Nov 26, 2012
Believer wrote:
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!
Oh, that old thing again?

How long has it been now?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#565760 Nov 26, 2012
Believer wrote:
God put it on the hearts of man what to write in the bible.....read your bible and watch the news and you will see that all these things are being fulfilled, and the end is very near!!!!
The end of what?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#565761 Nov 26, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know whether to laugh or be grossed out.
I gotta say, when I was a kid I never considered that I was at that level, it didn't cross my mind.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#565762 Nov 26, 2012
scaritual wrote:
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I gotta say, when I was a kid I never considered that I was at that level, it didn't cross my mind.
It may have when you were clinging to the leg of a nudist and their dangly bits were brushing up against your ear.

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