Prove there's a god.

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#564615 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If they were proud to be American, they'd leave their Asian culture at the door & adopt an American lifestyle, like they used to. People USED to be proud...
No problem, keep atheism out of my government, please.
Hmmm, using your logic, when the first Europeans came to the new World they should have dropped their European culture like a hot potato and adopted the real "American" lifestyle that of the Native American Indians.....

hard to keep atheism out of our Government, as its right there in the Constitution that our gov't is a secular gov't. Religion has no place in our government

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Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#564616 Nov 20, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I wonder who will.
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That's an interesting area to speculate on. When the Christian begin to experience their enfeeblement, they will likely want react to that. Would they resort to something devastating like nuclear or germ warfare? I don't care to put them to the test.
There will undoubtedly continue to be assorted attacks against individuals and private property, but if skeptics retaliate violently, that could get ugly.
I expect plenty of whining about our irrational anger and their persecution, but nothing valid. Once reality has set in, I expect them to start trying to appeal to our sense of fair play, which would be a disaster for them if we actually did give them justice instead of mercy.
We'll see. It promises to be fascinating.
I think politicized religion in America will die pretty abruptly, but the cultural shift will likely take much longer.

They'll embrace the separation of church and state, when it becomes an unstoppable movement, as if it was their idea. They'll spin it as a religious majority (Christianity) flaunting their tolerance of religious minorities. They'll say, "and it's about time!", and we'll know they mean, "and it's about time we stopped trying to force our beliefs onto everyone!".

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#564617 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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*my* specific way?!?
No, I said the American way....
Dumb ass
Please define the American way....

since this country has been known as "The Melting Pot" for decades, what exactly is American Culture and way???

Is it a St Patty's day parade in Chicago on March 17 where they dye the river green...

or a Knights of Columbus day parade in NYC

which cuisine is more American
Italian
French
Thai
Chinese
Mexican
Tex-Mex
Continental
Irish
Korean
southwest
Southern
Swedish
Amish
Nordic

OOOO I know
Its
FATHER KNOWS BEST
OZZIE & HARRIET
MY THREE SONS

that make believe land of 1950's TV

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#564618 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Honestly I didn't see that post yesterday.
But, no. If Asians or Asian Americans want to live in America, they should learn American traditions and values. They have every right to believe in Buddha but they have no right to infringe on us.
If you moved to china, do you think you could get your drivers license in 100 languages? Nope. That's the stupid shit that some Americans want & somehow pass the laws. I'd guess, people like you.
It seems that you are implying that American Christians have the right to impose their dogma on Buddhist American Citizens because that is the religion of the majority of Americans

is that correct???

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Since: Jun 10

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#564619 Nov 20, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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thanks for the information, sir, but i think it's kind of creepy that you know so much about this person.
FYI - acting like "real Christians" in the biblical sense means confessing sin and trusting in the Sacrifice of Christ for it; the opposite is to be so oblivious to your sinnfulness that you think your shit doesn't stink & that you need no Sacrifice. THIS is pure evil and the one's to watch out for....
He/she is lying.

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Since: Jun 10

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#564620 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Did I ever insinuate that I was trying to "hurt his feelings?" You guys are reading *way* too far into it. How petty are you? Getting all upset that I didn't capitalize your skydaddy's name. It's a force of habit - I do it with proper nouns all the time.
And how dare you call jesus dead! He is risen! Blasphemer!
Like I said, it's the same ploy teens use to try and get under each others' skin. I laughed it off as a teen and I think it's just pathetic that an adult like you believes that tactic bothers any other adult. You are lame as an antagonist. Grow a set and act like an adult.

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Since: Jul 12

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#564621 Nov 20, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Hmmm, using your logic, when the first Europeans came to the new World they should have dropped their European culture like a hot potato and adopted the real "American" lifestyle that of the Native American Indians.....
hard to keep atheism out of our Government, as its right there in the Constitution that our gov't is a secular gov't. Religion has no place in our government
Can't do that. Before the Europeans came here, there was no "America"....

Our gubment may be secular, but the country is not. Neither are the majority of the people.

(hint, hint: the government is NOT the country...)

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#564622 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
And I totally agree about the "tongue speaker" people. Here is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rsn_OEgby_cXX
It's a nice little cross section of some of the different ways that this craziness can manifest itself.
LOL. We sure don't want to lose that.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#564623 Nov 20, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Hahahahahahah. Wow.*j*esus is my hated nemesis?
Search through my posts, if you really care that much, and you will find that I often don't capitalize proper nouns. It's laziness more than anything. That extra inch of movement is just too much work for my fingers.
Nobody cares enough about what you post to do a search of them.

You are mental.

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Since: Jul 12

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#564624 Nov 20, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Please define the American way....
since this country has been known as "The Melting Pot" for decades, what exactly is American Culture and way???
ugh.... Again? Here, just look for yourself.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_way
Is it a St Patty's day parade in Chicago on March 17 where they dye the river green...
No, that's an Irish holiday.
or a Knights of Columbus day parade in NYC
Sure, Columbus was instrumental in discovering the New World.
which cuisine is more American
Italian
French
Thai
Chinese
Mexican
Tex-Mex
Continental
Irish
Korean
southwest
Southern
Swedish
Amish
Nordic
None of those are American... Except maybe the Tex-Mex.
Its
FATHER KNOWS BEST
OZZIE & HARRIET
MY THREE SONS
that make believe land of 1950's TV
Ah the good ole days

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#564625 Nov 20, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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It seems that you are implying that American Christians have the right to impose their dogma on Buddhist American Citizens because that is the religion of the majority of Americans
is that correct???
No.

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#564626 Nov 20, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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I told my son that he HAS to be an atheist, because it's the only way to guarantee that he won't end up in hell.
He's thinking about it.
If wishes came true...we'd all be in hell right now.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

Of Tomorow

#564627 Nov 20, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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BTW - yesterday i thought PM stood for like in the PM versus the AM. today it dawned on me that it means private message.
sorry for any confusion:)
Do you always apologize for your own stupidity?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#564628 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're right, I try to make myself clear, but I'm better at speaking my thoughts than typing them.
Yes I've seen the 700 club AND heard the wackos on the radio, but I haven't heard them try to put fear into people about going to hell & burning forever is they don't folow along.
What do you think they're implying when they talk about hell? And I'm sure if I wanted to, I could easily find a clip of Pat Robertson threatening people with hell. This is the guy that blamed the disaster in Haiti on the wrath of god.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#564629 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What, is she 28 years old & the five Samoans are 3 years old?
lol...the average, caffeinated 8 year old can take me down.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#564630 Nov 20, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I wonder who will.
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That's an interesting area to speculate on. When the Christian begin to experience their enfeeblement, they will likely want react to that. Would they resort to something devastating like nuclear or germ warfare? I don't care to put them to the test.
There will undoubtedly continue to be assorted attacks against individuals and private property, but if skeptics retaliate violently, that could get ugly.
I expect plenty of whining about our irrational anger and their persecution, but nothing valid. Once reality has set in, I expect them to start trying to appeal to our sense of fair play, which would be a disaster for them if we actually did give them justice instead of mercy.
We'll see. It promises to be fascinating.
I don't think it would go that far (large scale attacks). However, you can never discount the prospect of a lone crazy guy with a lot of money and time.

Anyways, once the ball is in "our" court, I think the wrong move would be to try and punish them for any wrongdoings. I think if they perceive an "attack," that will only make the going harder, but if they are allowed to slowly fade to irrelevance, things might be a little more peaceful. They should be ignored, and in certain cases reprimanded (like if one lets a child die during a faith healing session), but not persecuted. I don't think that's what you were getting at, I'm just saying.

As you said, it should be fascinating.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#564631 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So you think I mean that you think you don't believe in God?
I haven't said that. I've never said that.
I said that atheists believe there is no god.
See the diff?
No dude. This is hopeless. Forget it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#564632 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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timn..... Stop, please stop. I KNOW there is more than one type of atheist.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
a : a disbelief in the existence of deity.
b : the doctrine that there is no deity.
Regardless of how you wanna doctor it up, atheists BELIEVE what they BELIEVE.
I say this because they do NOT know that God is fake. They only believe it.
Atheist's Statement.

1. There is no evidence supporting the existence of a deity.

2. Therefore, there is no reason to believe in one.

3. Therefore, I don't.

Try to keep up. That's not a doctrine, and it's about as much as I can dumb the thing down for you.

READ.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#564633 Nov 20, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I didn't see that she kills.....
Nor did Charlie Manson. What's your point?

Her faithful followers, good Christians all, DO kill.

Since: Sep 11

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#564634 Nov 20, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>I can't concede on that. I mean when we know nothing absolute and when we know nothing about 't = 0', and when consciousness is something that is already in existence and not nearly completely understood, then 'conscious absolute reality'*is* as good a guess as any other. Hey, basically we have two guesses for a foundation of reality; either finite or infinite. And also, conscious or unconscious. Is our consciousness an illusion? That I won't buy so easily.
But I do understand your reasoning for your belief. I just don't share it. I think the difference between my belief and yours is rooted in whether to believe consciousness is part of something bigger/eternal or not. You have your ways of justifying it and I have mine I suppose.
People get easily duped into thinking science shows anything definate about the origins of consciousness. Just because we aren't able to sense any other conscious reality doesn't mean there isn't one.
Just like virtual particles blip off our radar, why couldn't the same be with the true origins of consciousness?
I wouldn't call what I think about the universe a belief. I don't dismiss consciousness as a fundamental force. Maybe it is. I sometimes wonder if maybe consciousness is "the" fundamental force of the universe, and that we, with our sufficiently advanced minds, "tap" into it like a magnet "taps" into EM. However, there is no evidence for this pipe dream of mine, so I don't allow it to progress from the folder labeled "fun stuff to daydream about" in my mind. If such evidence is forthcoming, I would gladly rearrange my perspective. For now, inferring that consciousness is responsible for what happened at t=0 is not something I am willing to entertain as a serious possibility.

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