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#564226 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What crippled the American school system is taking God out of the picture.
.. that's not what crippled the school system. If you want to blame something, the suspects are tenure and unions ..

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#564227 Nov 19, 2012
boooots wrote:
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I have heard all my life that the American school system is not up to par with other first world countries but what makes you think it is crippled, and what on earth did taking God out of the schools have to do with it? God was not suppose to be in the schools in the first place, as that would be counter your Constitution, would it not?
You're kidding, right?

When Hod was removed for schools, morality went with Him. Why do you think kids are much worse today than they were 50 years ago?

Kids used to be kind to old folks, now they laugh at them and are crude to them.

Kids used to have manners, now they're just flat out a$$holes.

Boys used to marry girls THEN have a family & stuck together for life. Now they just screw whoever is near & forget any consequences.

Kids used to move out of their parents house after high school. Now they stay as long as they can. The parents can even keep them insured.

A lot has changed in 50 years, I believe that the first wrong step America took was taking God out of schools.

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#564228 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Who? Which atheists? If you're going to make such a stupid claim, at least be specific so the person or people you accuse can defend themselves against such a stupid claim. I'm not afraid of words. Are you afraid of words? If you are, which words scare you the most? Do any of them make you pee your pants? When you read them in a book, do you have to shut the book, put it on the shelf, exit the room, and lock the door behind you?
If you want to have a conversation on word usage, start one.
You could certainly prevent a child from forming a belief if you wanted to. It isn't necessary, though. Remove them from manipulative environments, like churches, and they are unlikely to form religious beliefs.
You don't have to force your beliefs on your children. You having beliefs is enough of an influence to have a strong effect on your children. It's an unavoidable condition. If you where Muslim, your children would be more likely to adopt Islam. It's certainly more ethical to not force your beliefs, but you can't offer them true freedom of choice, because that parental influence is unavoidable.
Atheists parents have no religious beliefs to influence their children. They may still follow the parents in lack of belief, due to the influence a parent has on their child, but there is a huge distinction here. The parent has influenced NOTHING on their child. Atheism isn't a SOMETHING, it's a lack of a SOMETHING. Failure to teach your children about life on Pluto isn't the same as teaching your child that Pluto has no life.
There ya go.

Your atheist indoctrination is complete.

Now it's time to share your beliefs with the world.

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#564229 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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What? So when a person is born, they believe God isn't real?
How many times will it take for you to either understand this, or accept it? If you can't understand, or accept this, could you tell me why you can't? <---IMPORTANT QUESTION ---< I wonder if you can answer it.

Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.

If atheism is the lack of belief in your god, which you call God, or the belief that God isn't real, then many theists are suddenly atheists by your definition.

Certainly, there are theists out there that do not believe in God, or those that believe that God isn't real. Are you calling them atheists because of that?

People are born lacking beliefs in gods, so they are born atheists. Whether you agree on the definition of "atheist" at this point doesn't matter. People aren't born with beliefs in gods. I also lack a belief in gods. I call myself an atheist, because I lack a belief in gods. Nobody needs to be brainwashed into lack a belief in gods. They are born that way.

Do you think there are lots of people being brainwashed into the positive belief that your particular god, or generic gods, absolutely do not exist? If so, why would you think that? Where's your evidence? Does evidence matter to you?

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#564230 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>*SNIPPED FOR SPACE*They may still follow the parents in lack of belief, due to the influence a parent has on their child, but there is a huge distinction here. The parent has influenced NOTHING on their child. Atheism isn't a SOMETHING, it's a lack of a SOMETHING. Failure to teach your children about life on Pluto isn't the same as teaching your child that Pluto has no life.
.. nice post, Tide. And, children have side influences. My parents and grandparents are both Christian and I can't stop them from insisting on grace at every meal and explaining the meaning of prayer ..

.. nor can parents stop their children from hearing about God from religious playmates. Then, the questions start ..

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#564231 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Don't play coy. You know what I mean when I type "God".
Zeus is a god if gods, he isn't "God".
You're smarter than that, Tide.
God is also a god. Zeus is a god. Odin is a god. God is not my favorite god.

I was just saying, that of all gods, the Greek and Norse gods were my favorite, for educational and entertainment purposes.

If you had some point, could you refresh my memory?

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#564232 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Der. The answer is that I don't care about your fictitious gods....
I don't care about yours either.

Maybe you're starting to understand?

If billions of people believed in "my fictitious gods" and acted according to what they believed it wanted them to do, maybe you would care about that.

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#564233 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There ya go.
Your atheist indoctrination is complete.
Now it's time to share your beliefs with the world.
What a lazy reply.

I expect better from...

Scratch that.

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#564234 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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How many times will it take for you to either understand this, or accept it? If you can't understand, or accept this, could you tell me why you can't? <---IMPORTANT QUESTION ---< I wonder if you can answer it.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.
If atheism is the lack of belief in your god, which you call God, or the belief that God isn't real, then many theists are suddenly atheists by your definition.
Certainly, there are theists out there that do not believe in God, or those that believe that God isn't real. Are you calling them atheists because of that?
People are born lacking beliefs in gods, so they are born atheists. Whether you agree on the definition of "atheist" at this point doesn't matter. People aren't born with beliefs in gods. I also lack a belief in gods. I call myself an atheist, because I lack a belief in gods. Nobody needs to be brainwashed into lack a belief in gods. They are born that way.
Do you think there are lots of people being brainwashed into the positive belief that your particular god, or generic gods, absolutely do not exist? If so, why would you think that? Where's your evidence? Does evidence matter to you?
If you really, TRULY believe that there is no God, are no gods or have a complete lack of belief in gods, the why do you spend so much time debating it?

I don't get it. Example: I don't believe I vampires. None whatsoever. I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my life debating people about my lack of belief In vampires.

Why do you?

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#564235 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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God is also a god. Zeus is a god. Odin is a god. God is not my favorite god.
I was just saying, that of all gods, the Greek and Norse gods were my favorite, for educational and entertainment purposes.
If you had some point, could you refresh my memory?
You have to ask?

When I post about God, don't waste time asking me which god? We've been bickering for months now, you know that I'm referring to God. For you, the Abrahamic God, YWHW, Lord Almighty... Got it?

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#564236 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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What a lazy reply.
I expect better from...
Scratch that.
Hey, I didn't ask ya for a huge response, you did that on your own. But here's one sentence:

"You having beliefs is enough of an influence to have a strong effect on your children. "

Just like an atheist has influence on their kids....

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#564237 Nov 19, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. nice post, Tide. And, children have side influences. My parents and grandparents are both Christian and I can't stop them from insisting on grace at every meal and explaining the meaning of prayer ..
.. nor can parents stop their children from hearing about God from religious playmates. Then, the questions start ..
Children are like sponges. They take in everything. I'm grossly simplifying because of the myriad influences a child is subject to. I think parental influence, in the majority of cases, is the strongest. Some factors skew that, like age. Puberty hits and peer pressure can take over.

I think we would be responsible to teach children to be skeptical or tenuous of everything until such time as they are intellectually independent and capable of critical evaluation. Give them the tools.

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#564238 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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If you really, TRULY believe that there is no God, are no gods or have a complete lack of belief in gods, the why do you spend so much time debating it?
I don't get it. Example: I don't believe I vampires. None whatsoever. I wouldn't waste 5 minutes of my life debating people about my lack of belief In vampires.
Why do you?
How many million vampire believers living in your country would it take for you to get interested?

If you worked for someone who believed in vampires, and you knew that telling them that you didn't would get you fired, would that not give you some reason to speak out against the irrational unsupported belief in vampires on an anonymous forum?

Take that a step further. If vampire believers were trying to force their beliefs into public policy in numerous ways that had a profound impact on your quality of life, what would you do? Nothing?

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#564239 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You have to ask?
When I post about God, don't waste time asking me which god? We've been bickering for months now, you know that I'm referring to God. For you, the Abrahamic God, YWHW, Lord Almighty... Got it?
I never didn't get it.

What are you saying about the "presence of God" in American schools? I thought you might have had a point you were trying to make, but you didn't quite get there. I don't want to jump the gun. If you have a point, make it explicitly and commit. Otherwise, I'll just have to dismiss your rant as an emotional outburst.

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#564240 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Hey, I didn't ask ya for a huge response, you did that on your own. But here's one sentence:
"You having beliefs is enough of an influence to have a strong effect on your children. "
Just like an atheist has influence on their kids....
Influencing a child to continue to lack beliefs as they always have, by doing absolutely nothing, is not the same as introducing new ideas through positive actions.

Do you recognize that there is a difference?

How can I get you to answer my questions?

Additional question marks perhaps?????

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#564241 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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In other words, you don't believe there's a god...
I don't have the theistic belief that there is a deity, or that there are deities.

Adjective: theistic
1. Of or relating to theism

Noun: theism
1. The doctrine or belief in the existence of a God or gods

Adjective: theist
1. Of or relating to theism

Noun: theist
1. One who believes in the existence of a god or gods

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I am not theist.

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#564242 Nov 19, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're kidding, right?
When Hod was removed for schools, morality went with Him. Why do you think kids are much worse today than they were 50 years ago?
Kids used to be kind to old folks, now they laugh at them and are crude to them.
Kids used to have manners, now they're just flat out a$$holes.
Boys used to marry girls THEN have a family & stuck together for life. Now they just screw whoever is near & forget any consequences.
Kids used to move out of their parents house after high school. Now they stay as long as they can. The parents can even keep them insured.
A lot has changed in 50 years, I believe that the first wrong step America took was taking God out of schools.
Do not speak badly of Hod.

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#564243 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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How many million vampire believers living in your country would it take for you to get interested?
If you worked for someone who believed in vampires, and you knew that telling them that you didn't would get you fired, would that not give you some reason to speak out against the irrational unsupported belief in vampires on an anonymous forum?
Take that a step further. If vampire believers were trying to force their beliefs into public policy in numerous ways that had a profound impact on your quality of life, what would you do? Nothing?
1. If 300 million people believed in vampires I might reconsider my beliefs. If vampires were on my money, or if vampire churches dominated the landscape, I might reconsider...

2. How is that relevant? People don't get fired for not being Christian. If they do, it's wrong and illegal.

3. Again, relevance? Are Christians imposing on your day-to-day life in some way?

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#564244 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I never didn't get it.
What are you saying about the "presence of God" in American schools? I thought you might have had a point you were trying to make, but you didn't quite get there. I don't want to jump the gun. If you have a point, make it explicitly and commit. Otherwise, I'll just have to dismiss your rant as an emotional outburst.
If you "never didn't get it", then why ask? Aubrey because you didn't get it....

See my reply to ol' booootsie about schools.

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#564245 Nov 19, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Influencing a child to continue to lack beliefs as they always have, by doing absolutely nothing, is not the same as introducing new ideas through positive actions.
Do you recognize that there is a difference?
How can I get you to answer my questions?
Additional question marks perhaps?????
1. I see your point. That people are not and can not be born with any kind of belief. That its all taught & handed down. Right?

2. I do recognize.

3. All you gotta do is ask.

4. Prolly a few more ????????'s would help :)

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