Prove there's a god.

“Ditat Deus”

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#562476 Nov 13, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Wouldn't any god ever conceived of by man be a god that at least one person believed in?(not counting gods dreamed up for intentionally fictional stories, for fun, etc.)
Not in my view. To me, there is only one true God.

There's some pretty silly "gods" out there to add to the "3700" list.

Like Dionynus, the god of wine and parties....

Gimme a break.

“Ditat Deus”

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#562477 Nov 13, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:

To me, love is simply not wishing to kill someone.
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Wonderfully stated, Kitten!
wow..........

“Ditat Deus”

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#562478 Nov 13, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Science has nothing to do with the number of gods people believe in or have believed in.
And that you think science is that simplistic anyway tells us who is the simpleton here, RR and it further proves just how little you actually know about science.
Yes it is that simplistic, in a dumbed-down, humorous way...

But your butt buddy kitten says its somewhere between 3700 & 37,000,000...

Sounds very scientific to me!

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#562480 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in my view. To me, there is only one true God.
There's some pretty silly "gods" out there to add to the "3700" list.
Like Dionynus, the god of wine and parties....
Gimme a break.
I know that you won't agree or be able to see it, but your god is just as silly as all the others to an impartial observer. There's nothing to set your god apart from the pack. Every god is an interesting reflection of the culture that created them, nothing more.

Tell me why I should give your god more attention than Dionysus. I rather like the idea of a god of parties. And didn't people get pretty excited about jesus turning water into wine?

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#562481 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
KittenKoder wrote:
To me, love is simply not wishing to kill someone.
<quoted text>
wow..........
Hey- if that's her perception of love, so be it.

But of course, I was referring to the majority of her post and not just the last sentence.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#562482 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is that simplistic, in a dumbed-down, humorous way...
But your butt buddy kitten says its somewhere between 3700 & 37,000,000...
Sounds very scientific to me!
Why are you trying to apply science to beliefs in various gods?

Nothing at all scientific about the belief in ANY god.

And uh....Kitten is NOT my butt buddy- just this morning, I disagreed with her regarding her opinion of AA.

OCB

“What a GLORIOUS day!!!”

Since: Apr 12

Orlando but NYC born & raised

#562483 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is that simplistic, in a dumbed-down, humorous way...
But your butt buddy kitten says its somewhere between 3700 & 37,000,000...
Sounds very scientific to me!
And no....it is NOT that simplistic no matter how much you need to dumb down science so that YOU can begin to grasp what science actually is.

Regardless, nothing scientific is applied to the belief in a god or gods.

Since: Sep 11

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#562484 Nov 13, 2012
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
I was thinking it hit closer to your ankle. We'll need more testable jokes and I think Pokay is all out of them.
Here's some:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =loIoWquy4KMXX
All those jokes helped me to narrow it down to my left foot. We're almost there.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#562485 Nov 13, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Tea baggers are the closest thing to Nazi's in the mainstream political parties. In fact there were parallels drawn up showing it.
The only thing Biden said that made me feel better, was that he though personally believes in pro life, that he did not think it was his right to force that belief on others. I favor republicans for one reason only , that's strong foreign policy that is known to wield a hammer. But I favored Romney because he seemed better capable to turn the economy around.
Other than that the republicans have ruined themselves being too far right wing Christians, wanting to impose a theocracy and ruin America with the ilk of people with minds like that.
I have no confidence in Obama because I fear our economy is going to take a dive now into recession again. I actually wish we could have Romney president and Biden Vice because Ryan is a religionut with an agenda toward theocracy.
But you are way off base accusing the dems of being like Nazis,
ther're policy's are actually more like Marxists. Thinking they can create an American share the load Utopia. It will fail because nobody is going to be able to pay for their ideas. They may sound good on paper , but reality bites a lemon. Healthcare is going to wreck the already sinking economy.
"you are way off base accusing the dems of being like Nazis"

hitler came to power through a socialist-unionist platform. our democrat party is closer to his model than the republican party is.

"republicans have ruined themselves being too far right wing Christians"

you must think that evil/darkness and plain anarchy has more rights in this country than does goodness and common sense! based on the outcome of this last election, more people seem to agree with you than not.....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#562486 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Woah.... WTF??
"To me, love is simply not wishing to kill someone"
Oh my. So then it's ok to beat your lovers ass? I mean, as long as you don't kill them, you're ok, right?
You're a strange puppy. I'll assume that you've never been in love, based off of your idiotic post.
I don't have "lovers" ... nor do I wish for any. How many times do I have to remind you that I am asexual before you actually realize what that means?

Also no, I love my father, he was a good person and highly intelligent. I love my friends, enjoy their company and chatter. I love animals, except the ones I eat, those are just too tasty, and you gotta kill them to eat them.

As I pointed out, no, none, two people will ever describe any emotion the same. They are opinion, though they are produced by the same chemical reactions, the "feeling" of that emotion will always differ.

“I never claimed to be Perfect”

Since: Nov 10

just better than yesterday

#562487 Nov 13, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You just did. Why can't science?
<quoted text>
For me, that's 1950's science.
How does the Bible explain love in a way that science cannot?
How does the Bible explore what it means to be human in a way that science cannot?
Science can’t tell us the purpose of anything. It can't give us the meaning of life, it can tell us what life is, not what it ought to be.

Science can tell us more than we ever wanted to know about human anatomy, it can describe what makes up the heart and the brain and how these fascinating organs function, but it can not tell us the purpose of a person or how to love or even what love is. To describe the purpose of something implies a knowledge of the reason it was made the way it was. Science can tell us a lot about the way a human being works, but it cannot tell us the intent behind the design of a human being.(of course this is a Christian view point)

Science can describe and categorize life and our experience with the world, but it cannot explain what it all means. People try to use science to tell us that the world is an accident, that life has no meaning, but these types of determinations are outside of the jurisdiction of science. These are Theological questions, not scientific questions.

The Bible teaches us that love is patient, love is kind, love is not jealous or boastful or proud. It teaches what it is and ought to be. The Bible has many meanings and passages explaining, and defining love.

The Bible restores our humanness from the cold and unfeeling of the world. It explains why besides we simply being the result of assemblage of molecules and atoms that we posses why life is worth living.

The Bible teaches us the responsibilty and nature of returning love back as the response for life.

There is no 1950's about it Hiding.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#562488 Nov 13, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it is that simplistic, in a dumbed-down, humorous way...
But your butt buddy kitten says its somewhere between 3700 & 37,000,000...
Sounds very scientific to me!
The total number of gods dreamed up by human minds is impossible to know for certain, but based on all the permutations of all the known ones, combined with all the spin off ideas and definitions, as well as the permutations of those. You have at least 37,000,000. That includes the thousands of christian gods, none of you define your god the same, that makes them inherently different gods by definition.

Also, why do you keep putting words into my posts or reading more into them than they state? You do it all the time, and this is a prime example, I didn't say "between" at all, nor did I imply it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#562489 Nov 13, 2012
OCB wrote:
<quoted text>Wonderfully stated, Kitten!
Thank you, I try. I may not be the most emotional person alive, but I can be very poetic at times, for some reason.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#562490 Nov 13, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
"you are way off base accusing the dems of being like Nazis"
hitler came to power through a socialist-unionist platform. our democrat party is closer to his model than the republican party is.
"republicans have ruined themselves being too far right wing Christians"
you must think that evil/darkness and plain anarchy has more rights in this country than does goodness and common sense! based on the outcome of this last election, more people seem to agree with you than not.....

The difference between you and the majority is how you define
"goodness and common sense".

evil/darkness and plain anarchy has no place anywhere , it is not found in democrats. That's just crazy.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#562491 Nov 13, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>Science can’t tell us the purpose of anything. It can't give us the meaning of life, it can tell us what life is, not what it ought to be.
Science can tell us more than we ever wanted to know about human anatomy, it can describe what makes up the heart and the brain and how these fascinating organs function, but it can not tell us the purpose of a person or how to love or even what love is. To describe the purpose of something implies a knowledge of the reason it was made the way it was. Science can tell us a lot about the way a human being works, but it cannot tell us the intent behind the design of a human being.(of course this is a Christian view point)
Science can describe and categorize life and our experience with the world, but it cannot explain what it all means. People try to use science to tell us that the world is an accident, that life has no meaning, but these types of determinations are outside of the jurisdiction of science. These are Theological questions, not scientific questions.
The Bible teaches us that love is patient, love is kind, love is not jealous or boastful or proud. It teaches what it is and ought to be. The Bible has many meanings and passages explaining, and defining love.
The Bible restores our humanness from the cold and unfeeling of the world. It explains why besides we simply being the result of assemblage of molecules and atoms that we posses why life is worth living.
The Bible teaches us the responsibilty and nature of returning love back as the response for life.
There is no 1950's about it Hiding.
Theological questions? nope
Philosophical questions? yep
You have just made your philosophy to be theological.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#562492 Nov 13, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>My point was you can't eliminate 'stupid sh*t'. Get rid of religion, and stupid sh*t is still there. The same "good" people that would be manipulated by religion will be manipulated by their own mental trainwreck that got them to blindly believe in the first place.
What if we strengthened the education system and built up critical thinking?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#562493 Nov 13, 2012
shahid afridi wrote:
<quoted text>
Why you people are always trying to prove everything or use science methods to prove.We are nothing in front of a God and we will prove His existence.There are more than 1000 animals in the world which noone knows and noone has the proof but it is said that they are.If he will show his face then He will not remain God.We should believe in an unseen God thats the best for us.
How sad that you think you are nothing.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#562494 Nov 13, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
No, Pokay-Mon, she's not lying. And it's you that just got caught again - caught being not too bright. She got the links from somewhere where they were recorded when originally posted and never updated. Topix edits posts out, and frequently, a post will end up on the page prior to the one it started out on, the one in the link.
Hiding's first link terminates in the suffix "...T63/p26570#c558200, " which can be seen in the address bar of your browser by clicking on it. This format specifies the page and post number. Once upon a time, your post, number 558200, was on page 26570. But now, because of deletions, it is on page 26569, which is obvious by looking at the URL, the post number it contains, and the number of the first post on the page, which happens to be #558216. With there being twenty posts per page, post 558200 is one page back.
Unfortunately, the software goes to the specified page, and when it can't find the post there, it leaves you at the top of that page. It doesn't figure out to go one page back. But you can.
All you needed to do was to look at the URL up there, realize that it was referring to a post that would be a page earlier, click on "<prev page," and find the post. I did.
Her second link suffers from the same problem. It's suffix is "T63/p26572#c558243, " and as you should have guessed by now, post 558243 is now on page 26572.
In both cases, you could have noted that the post number is lower than the first post on the page, and gone back a page to access it. Instead, you preferred to call Hiding a liar.
FYI, there is a second post URL format that uses the suffix "...T63/post558200" which is much more flexible. In this case, the software looks for the post by number. This never fails, whatever page the post ends up on over time. Here's the link in that format http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
This format is collected by right clicking on the post number immediately to the left of the words "Judge It," and selecting "Copy Link Location"
Hey, thanks for that - NS just explained to me on another thread that I should delete the page numbers when I paste the links. From now on, I will :)

It's amazing how often the word "liar" gets tossed around on these threads.

Since: Sep 11

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#562495 Nov 13, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>Science can’t tell us the purpose of anything. It can't give us the meaning of life, it can tell us what life is, not what it ought to be.
Science can tell us more than we ever wanted to know about human anatomy, it can describe what makes up the heart and the brain and how these fascinating organs function, but it can not tell us the purpose of a person or how to love or even what love is. To describe the purpose of something implies a knowledge of the reason it was made the way it was. Science can tell us a lot about the way a human being works, but it cannot tell us the intent behind the design of a human being.(of course this is a Christian view point)
Science can describe and categorize life and our experience with the world, but it cannot explain what it all means. People try to use science to tell us that the world is an accident, that life has no meaning, but these types of determinations are outside of the jurisdiction of science. These are Theological questions, not scientific questions.
The Bible teaches us that love is patient, love is kind, love is not jealous or boastful or proud. It teaches what it is and ought to be. The Bible has many meanings and passages explaining, and defining love.
The Bible restores our humanness from the cold and unfeeling of the world. It explains why besides we simply being the result of assemblage of molecules and atoms that we posses why life is worth living.
The Bible teaches us the responsibilty and nature of returning love back as the response for life.
There is no 1950's about it Hiding.
Science doesn't directly seek to give meaning to life, but I have gotten more spiritual satisfaction from scientific knowledge than I could ever hope to gain from a book of stories. Knowing that we are all intimately connected with the universe, in a very direct way, feels a lot better than thinking that some old guy made us out of dust.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#562496 Nov 13, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have "lovers" ... nor do I wish for any. How many times do I have to remind you that I am asexual before you actually realize what that means?
Also no, I love my father, he was a good person and highly intelligent. I love my friends, enjoy their company and chatter. I love animals, except the ones I eat, those are just too tasty, and you gotta kill them to eat them.
As I pointed out, no, none, two people will ever describe any emotion the same. They are opinion, though they are produced by the same chemical reactions, the "feeling" of that emotion will always differ.
You may have some tasty friends too, hey you never know till you try!
lol

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