Since: Mar 09

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#559412 Nov 5, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand your belief system better, May your need for a religious crutch decrease as you become stronger.I dont't mean this as a put down: you are a very decent person (but ease up on Karl, dude).
I dont see it as a crutch any more than I would family or good friends. It is simply a positive in my life than enhances my journey. As for Karl, yes I purposely come down on him hard. It is because for 3 years the guy has done nothing but attack me and in just absurd circumstances. It is like it drives him crazy that others dont share his univeral hate of all Christians and hates to see others get along with me or show me respect. Everybody has their limits and I keep thinking maybe if I keep making it not worth his while he will go his own way but he just keeps trying anyway. Sigh..I guess the onus is still on me to conduct myself is a manner that is decent regardless of what someone else does. Thank you for reminding me.(T) PEACE

Since: Mar 09

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#559413 Nov 5, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Want to know who really commits a disproportionate amount of the crime in the U.S? FYI: Religion has little to do with it.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/statistics/20...
I know without looking but just keep in mind that poverty, education available to the poor, jobs available to the poor and what kind of crimes are targeted for prosecution and a probation\parole system designed to reincarcerate plays a large role. With that said I am not ignoring personal responsibilty or that other minority groups didnt deal with poverty. But they also didnt face the same social obstacles as far as a level playing field. At the same time imo the breakdown of the family unit is probably at least the third main cause if not the 2nd right after poverty and that is nobody else's fault. Its complicated but yeah, religion isnt a major factor in crime in the U.S. imo.(T) PEACE

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#559414 Nov 5, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I know without looking but just keep in mind that poverty, education available to the poor, jobs available to the poor and what kind of crimes are targeted for prosecution and a probation\parole system designed to reincarcerate plays a large role. With that said I am not ignoring personal responsibilty or that other minority groups didnt deal with poverty. But they also didnt face the same social obstacles as far as a level playing field. At the same time imo the breakdown of the family unit is probably at least the third main cause if not the 2nd right after poverty and that is nobody else's fault. Its complicated but yeah, religion isnt a major factor in crime in the U.S. imo.(T) PEACE
You should look because you are mistaken. It has nothing to do with poverty either.

Since: Mar 09

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#559415 Nov 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose you don't think anyone poor is christian either then.
??.......of course there are. A high majority of the country claims Christianty as its religion. How could there not be? And poverty is the main factor behind crime, not what someone's religious beliefs are. Let me try to explain this. A vast majority of this country is of people between 5feet8inches and 6feet1inches.But do you think I would be right if I said height was a main indicator of who will be a criminal? Most criminals would be in that range, as would most Americans but I could point to it and say "see most immoral criminals are taller than 5'8" so clearly their height is why they commit crimes" With all due respect you don't understand the underlying factors for crime or the difference between those and coincidences or irrelevant shared traits

Since: Mar 09

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#559416 Nov 5, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>You should look because you are mistaken. It has nothing to do with poverty either.
Re-read my post, I am talking about within the segment you are referring to. No point in being coy, onbiously black males commit a disproportionate amount of crime unless those links show things I have never seen before. I cant even pull them up on this phone. My point though is someone cant just claim it is due to race without looking at all the other factors such as poverty, education, a racist criminal justice system and laws, the lack of a level playing field as far as opportunities to advance their socio-economic standing, etc. Yes culturally they have some blame as the breakdown of the family unit is killing their communities. But again, compare like demographics and you will get like results. Race isnt a cause it is simply an indicator because of other factors

“This planet is”

Since: Jun 12

wonderfull

#559417 Nov 5, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know the specifics, the mechanics or the details of how he does it. What I do know is when he does it's amazing and its wonderful. But to answer the specifics? That would be almost the equivalent of a cosmologist explaining how an infinite density and temperature phase occurred towards the instant of the Big Bang.
Both God and the Big Bang are quite possibly too much of an indescribable event for our human comprehension to make heads or tails.out of it Kit.
Trying to describe either in words we could grasp simply leads to speculation.
How'd he do it? I don't honestly know.
You do not know because 'he' doesn't exist. The big bang is not an infinite event which means it is possible for a human to understand. Time is infinte which is why it is impossible for us to understand. God is describable beacause it was created in the mind of a human.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#559418 Nov 5, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Re-read my post, I am talking about within the segment you are referring to. No point in being coy, onbiously black males commit a disproportionate amount of crime unless those links show things I have never seen before. I cant even pull them up on this phone. My point though is someone cant just claim it is due to race without looking at all the other factors such as poverty, education, a racist criminal justice system and laws, the lack of a level playing field as far as opportunities to advance their socio-economic standing, etc. Yes culturally they have some blame as the breakdown of the family unit is killing their communities. But again, compare like demographics and you will get like results. Race isnt a cause it is simply an indicator because of other factors
It is not race either. It is police. Police commit more crimes per capita than the entire American population. Especially assaults and sexual assaults. Like I said look at the link.

Since: Mar 09

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#559419 Nov 6, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Police commit more crimes per capita than the entire American population.
Ah..yeah this phone wont let me pull up pages that big. I didnt know you were looking at stats by profession. I do know that by demographic you will find black males between 18-45 yrs old to be higher proportionally than any other segment of people. But I am glad u werent pointing to race for the reasons listed in my last post. As for profession, one that gives that range of authority and power over everyone obviously has its pitfalls. It is not often someone making 30k can affect someone making 3 billion. Add to it the temptation for corruption, the phychological factors that draw some towards the profession and the potential for both desensitivity,abuse of power, and the chance to get away with crime and it no surprise police end up w/ the attitude they can take what they want and that they are above the law. Thx for the info (T)Peace

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#559420 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Ah..yeah this phone wont let me pull up pages that big. I didnt know you were looking at stats by profession. I do know that by demographic you will find black males between 18-45 yrs old to be higher proportionally than any other segment of people. But I am glad u werent pointing to race for the reasons listed in my last post. As for profession, one that gives that range of authority and power over everyone obviously has its pitfalls. It is not often someone making 30k can affect someone making 3 billion. Add to it the temptation for corruption, the phychological factors that draw some towards the profession and the potential for both desensitivity,abuse of power, and the chance to get away with crime and it no surprise police end up w/ the attitude they can take what they want and that they are above the law. Thx for the info (T)Peace
That is not even by profession , it is in general. Yeah, there map freezes my browser because my flash is not up to date on this Computer. But the info is staggering.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#559421 Nov 6, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Want to know who really commits a disproportionate amount of the crime in the U.S? FYI: Religion has little to do with it.
http://www.policemisconduct.net/statistics/20...
Ironically, this could have been predicted to the letter easily. The steep decline in criminal activity starting in the 80's was caused by a social change in the US, since the decline in criminals is so drastic the crimes committed by the few bad police officers became a majority very quickly, because their crimes are connected with their jobs and not social interactions it would not be effected by the same social change that caused the decline in other crime. Not that they are justified, only that now we can focus on them.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#559422 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>??.......of course there are. A high majority of the country claims Christianty as its religion. How could there not be? And poverty is the main factor behind crime, not what someone's religious beliefs are. Let me try to explain this. A vast majority of this country is of people between 5feet8inches and 6feet1inches.But do you think I would be right if I said height was a main indicator of who will be a criminal? Most criminals would be in that range, as would most Americans but I could point to it and say "see most immoral criminals are taller than 5'8" so clearly their height is why they commit crimes" With all due respect you don't understand the underlying factors for crime or the difference between those and coincidences or irrelevant shared traits
So, anyone can be a christian ... unless they're a criminal?

Jesus was a criminal, in your own mythology. I think you really need to stop covering your ears when you hear that the largest population in the prisons in prison, it's that way for the same reason there are poor christians in the US.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559423 Nov 6, 2012
Mirror Mirror Face wrote:
the Bible was not written for you, but for God's children
Traps are dug for whomever can be enticed to fall in them. The bible was written for those that could be made to believe it. That's you, not me.
Mirror Mirror Face wrote:
what you interpret is irrelevant.
Then I can't help you.

Your bible is not a message from any god. It contains the superstitions and other false beliefs of ancients that thought that bats were birds, the earth was flat, and that pi was three.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#559424 Nov 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Ironically, this could have been predicted to the letter easily. The steep decline in criminal activity starting in the 80's was caused by a social change in the US, since the decline in criminals is so drastic the crimes committed by the few bad police officers became a majority very quickly, because their crimes are connected with their jobs and not social interactions it would not be effected by the same social change that caused the decline in other crime. Not that they are justified, only that now we can focus on them.
Few bad police? I am sorry but if the "good" police know what the bad police are doing and they do nothing about then they are bad police as well.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-...
http://www.copblock.org/22146/mpd-cop-charged...
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/10/01/5083...
Down play it all you want but, when they can do no-knock raids on wrong addresses, pepper spray 6 year olds, put cameras in your home and gps trackers on your car with out warrants and kill unarmed people with out repercussion then there is something seriously wrong.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559425 Nov 6, 2012
Mirror Mirror Face wrote:
They are always blaming their lousy lives and sicknesses on a God who they say does not exist.
Not me. I blame Batman.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559426 Nov 6, 2012
scambuster wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm kind of sad that you nitpicked over your grammer rather than your utter lack of compassion for your fellow man.
He cares about saving his soul from torture. To do that, he'll hate whatever he thinks his god hates.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559427 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Regardless of their specific faith, most people believe there is a higher power or God.
These people can't agree among themselves what that power is or is like. That's what tells you that it is a psychological imperative for them, like loving a parent. There are also many different kinds of parents that are loved. It's a survival instinct.

That instinctual god need had been artificially selected for by man for millennia. Those without it were sacrificed as heretics.

That changed with the replacement of medieval theocracies and their witch burnings and inquisitions by modern secular democracies. Now, we skeptics are only subject to social pressure like the occasional car keying, business boycotting, or pet beheading. As a result, the religious instinct is becoming much less common in the general population.
Skombolis wrote:
But as far as man, many are open to the possibilty there may be intelligent life elsewhere in the cosmos. Of course there may not be in which case in which case you'd feel man is the highest form of intelligence in all of existance? Im assuming ur answer would still be yes. I just cant see a species that came up with Honey Boo Boo being the smartest the universe and all of existance has to offer. JMO.(T) PEACE
I don't see the point of this. How does it relate to gods?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#559428 Nov 6, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Few bad police? I am sorry but if the "good" police know what the bad police are doing and they do nothing about then they are bad police as well.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lapd-...
http://www.copblock.org/22146/mpd-cop-charged...
http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/10/01/5083...
Down play it all you want but, when they can do no-knock raids on wrong addresses, pepper spray 6 year olds, put cameras in your home and gps trackers on your car with out warrants and kill unarmed people with out repercussion then there is something seriously wrong.
Did you know, that the crime rate today is less than 10% of what it was 30 years ago? Violent crimes are down to 1% of what they were 30 years ago. But, there are people who now think that the streets are run by roaming bands of criminals shooting everyone on sight and mugging every passerby.

You are the same as those people who think criminals are on every street corner just wanting to kill, harm, or rob you. You see some news stories, think that's the state of things and that it's so horrible because you see so many new stories, well, it's actually better now, even in police criminal activity, than it was 30 years ago, so much better than anyone with half a mind should be thanking the change that happened during the 80s for being alive today. Even across the globe, this is the most peaceful time in all of history, with the fewest wars and lowest loss of innocent life in all of known history, that's pretty peaceful, we're so close to the world peace that the hippies from the 60s and 70s wanted it's actually imaginable for once.

Here's the thing, the cops have problems, everyone does, and they are not all innocent, but it's not doom and gloom, it's not like every cop that walks past you is going to shoot you for a funny look, trust me I have tested that notion myself. 20 to 30 years ago you heard about your local stuff and that was all, now you hear about the entire globe, you have what is best described as information overload and your perspective is lost, you cannot see the tree through the forest. I remember as a child, walking up with my group of friends to a cop and them putting their hand on their gun instinctively, a few months ago my friends, all street rats, and I walked up to a cop to ask for directions, and he didn't even look at us funny, he just politely gave directions and smiled rather nicely. Things have changed for the better We can make it even better, but you're just trying to make noise, trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, just to be angry at something, you are, in fact, acting like a christian.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#559429 Nov 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
He cares about saving his soul from torture. To do that, he'll hate whatever he thinks his god hates.
So he is self hating.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559430 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
If I am married and I see a hot woman and think 'man if I wasnt married' or 'wow would she be amazing to get with' and then pretty much blow it off because while fun to look, I am certainly not going to cheat on mt wife then that is one thing.
Yeah, that's one thing, all right: the sin of adultery. Lust is adultery in the Christian religion:

[1] "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." - Matthew 5:28

And adultery is a sin punishable by eternal torment:

[2] "For the wages of sin is death" - Romans 6:23

The sexually immoral are the moral equivalents of murderers, whoremongers, and atheists, all of which will be tortured in hell for eternity :

[3] "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”- Revelation 21:8

[4] "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men" - 1 Corinthians 6:9

Surely you consider that just if your god commands it, do you not? After all, his love is perfect, is it not. Dare you say otherwise?

Can you imagine how this appears without faith goggles on? It appears cruel, unreasonable, and very mundane - hardly the thoughts of a god.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#559431 Nov 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So, anyone can be a christian ... unless they're a criminal?
Jesus was a criminal, in your own mythology. I think you really need to stop covering your ears when you hear that the largest population in the prisons in prison, it's that way for the same reason there are poor christians in the US.
That's the "beauty" of the "No true Christian" fallacy.

Only people who do nothing wrong at all are called Christian — by Christians — and those who do wrong are not Christian, no matter if the person who does something illegal, wrong or less than exemplary says they are a Christian.

It's a disingenuous claim by "Christians" who utilize the fallacy(obviously), and very convenient. When a Christian does something that casts a bad light on Christianity, they just say those people who presented a negative view of Christianity aren't real Christians and the problem is solved, no?

It's a good people are standing up and pointing out these flaws in Christianity and exposing that type of Christian thinking as disingenuous and fallacious.

It also points to(using the "No true Christian" fallacy) there being far less Christians in the nation than statistics say there are, meaning the US isn't a "Christian Country", if we allow Christians to make the "No true Christian", assertion, nor has it ever been. <(chuckle)>

We know that would be protested, however, by all Christians, true Christians or not, and suddenly every Christian a Christian could get to say they are a Christian would indeed be a Christian...~/.

"Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the Findings of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and Assumptions"
http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zucke...

Good article/.pdf on the subject that illustrates a religion/deity belief does not make for a better human, and the lack of a religion/deity belief certainly does not make for a worse human.

It's quite the opposite.

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