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#559520 Nov 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. poverty is merely a symptom of the disease ..
<quoted text>
.. fair enough. If you think this statement is inaccurate, please provide a rebuttal instead of a offensive remark lacking information ..
I'll give offensive if I choose to. I've seen college textbooks that claim the poor are more prone to every type of crime than the middle or upper class but those same books don't bother mentioning the fact that their statistics are based on defendants who were prosecuted and not including all of those who had charges dropped or settled out of court. Offenders with the cash to hire decent lawyers don't tend to be prosecuted and with the right connections often never have to see the inside of a court room. It's easier to see how justice works for a big fish in a little pond where every fish knows the others' business. I lived in a small town for awhile and it became blatantly obvious that justice is spelled M-O-N-E-Y in America. You could sit on main street and see a rich kid blast through every stoplight going what looked like 60 mph and a cop at one of those intersections didn't so much as blink much less chase the shyt down. A poor kid, OTOH, would get chased and treated like the worst scum on earth.
You, like many other citizens, accept the "poor are more criminally prone" drivel as a shameful fact. Do you think it's not offensive to brainwash the poor into believing that they are a morally inferior class of citizen? Telling people that you don't expect much from them because they are poor is a self-fulfilling prophesy if I ever heard one. Elitists are arrogant pigs.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#559521 Nov 6, 2012
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
somebody needs to put you down...
He doesn't need any help doing that.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#559522 Nov 6, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Poverty is a symptom of what disease?
Greed.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559523 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
I cared a great deal about the girl who demanded I give up my vices as she wasnt going to be with someone whose future was probably going to be wasted despite enormous potential and at risk of sounding immodest, from someone more intelligent than most. I wasted my talents because I enjoyed giving into the flesh more than anything else. By the time I didnt, it was too late for who I wanted to be with and only made it that much easier for me to go back to what I knew. The more we do the right thing, the easier and more second-nature it becomes. The same is true for the wrong thing.It isnt so much any one thought or action but rather the road it puts us on.(T) PEACE
I think that I understand your motivations better. It sounds like you had a lot of problems, including "a decade of drug addiction," people that you have hurt, opportunities squandered for lack of discipline, and possibly a year of prison : "street fights which cost me a year of my freedom."

I'm sorry to hear that.

But that might lead you to religion, which offers structure and absolution. You needed those. Christianity promises that you will be forgiven and born again. It restored a sense of direction, value, self-respect and purpose to your life. If so, and if that was the only way to do so, then it worked for you, and I'm happy for you. It's probably why you so avidly defend your faith from the assault of doubt and reason.

But I have those things as an atheist. Doubt and reason are in large part why. If I may borrow from your lexicon, faith would be a sin against my soul. It would be a betrayal of the principles and methods that brought me to where I am, just as I suppose apostasy would be for you. I'm not budging, either.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#559524 Nov 6, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Police Raid Berwyn Heights Mayor's Home, Kill His 2 Dogs
It's about time the rich started being held accountable for their crimes. I hope to see more of them getting prosecuted.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#559525 Nov 6, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I'll give offensive if I choose to. I've seen college textbooks that claim the poor are more prone to every type of crime than the middle or upper class but those same books don't bother mentioning the fact that their statistics are based on defendants who were prosecuted and not including all of those who had charges dropped or settled out of court. Offenders with the cash to hire decent lawyers don't tend to be prosecuted and with the right connections often never have to see the inside of a court room. It's easier to see how justice works for a big fish in a little pond where every fish knows the others' business. I lived in a small town for awhile and it became blatantly obvious that justice is spelled M-O-N-E-Y in America. You could sit on main street and see a rich kid blast through every stoplight going what looked like 60 mph and a cop at one of those intersections didn't so much as blink much less chase the shyt down. A poor kid, OTOH, would get chased and treated like the worst scum on earth.
You, like many other citizens, accept the "poor are more criminally prone" drivel as a shameful fact. Do you think it's not offensive to brainwash the poor into believing that they are a morally inferior class of citizen? Telling people that you don't expect much from them because they are poor is a self-fulfilling prophesy if I ever heard one. Elitists are arrogant pigs.
The plea bargain is a powerful tool in the hands of a District Attorney. The person may be innocent, the original charges might be beat, but oft times a plea arrangement is offered and the defendant takes it, because, as you said, they may not be able to afford the cost of a lawyer etc...

None of that goes into the statistic. It doesn't note the plea bargain to a lesser charge.



The statistic merely shows that a conviction was made.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559526 Nov 6, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand Catcher, that lust is a biological incentive to propagate the human race, but its how we deal with it or understand it that becomes the central point whether its good or bad (morality) in a civilized society. Allowing a "human impulse" as you called it to go unchecked is not wise.
You speak about lust like disaster following it is inevitable - as if you will end up committing adultery or raping if you don't beat it down. I don't understand that. It is like saying that one should never covet an object like a car for fear that he will steal it. That's a huge leap.

Lust is not hard to control - at least not for everybody. Like fire, out of control, it can be destructive. But when controlled, it can power an engine or cook a feast.

I am monogamous. I express my lust with only one person. I enjoy looking at other women, but get worked up with only one. My wife is very content with that. She likes that I have those urges, but reserve them for her. She likes being the only object of my lust in action. If I could extinguish the lust, both of our lives would be less rich. Why would I do that? Why would I try to extinguish that fire? Because a priest said so?
Passing Through

Chicago, IL

#559527 Nov 6, 2012
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
somebody needs to put you down...
Still want Kaitlin dead, huh Patricia?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#559528 Nov 6, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I've seen college textbooks that claim the poor are more prone to every type of crime than the middle or upper class but those same books don't bother mentioning the fact that their statistics are based on defendants who were prosecuted and not including all of those who had charges dropped or settled out of court. Offenders with the cash to hire decent lawyers don't tend to be prosecuted and with the right connections often never have to see the inside of a court room. It's easier to see how justice works for a big fish in a little pond where every fish knows the others' business. I lived in a small town for awhile and it became blatantly obvious that justice is spelled M-O-N-E-Y in America. You could sit on main street and see a rich kid blast through every stoplight going what looked like 60 mph and a cop at one of those intersections didn't so much as blink much less chase the shyt down. A poor kid, OTOH, would get chased and treated like the worst scum on earth.
You, like many other citizens, accept the "poor are more criminally prone" drivel as a shameful fact. Do you think it's not offensive to brainwash the poor into believing that they are a morally inferior class of citizen? Telling people that you don't expect much from them because they are poor is a self-fulfilling prophesy if I ever heard one. Elitists are arrogant pigs.
.. you just proved my statement that poverty is a symptom of a disease. It's much more complicated ..

.. the poor are not morally, intellectually or emotionally inferior. They are victims of a society run amuck. We've forgotten how to help each other, how to be kind ..

.. this thread is a reflection of the diseased state of society. Just look at your very first sentence:
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I'll give offensive if I choose to.
Passing Through

Chicago, IL

#559529 Nov 6, 2012
United in faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not recall yanking your chain. So why are you posting me?
don't you have enough other posters to talk trash to on here?
You don't recall posting first to Kaitlin because you're a senile old hag.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
United in faith wrote:
windsock?
is that another one of your 'nerd-words' on the computer?
For someone who used to work in the aeronautical industry (even if was just menial clerical work), one would think you'd know about a tool to show wind direction and intensity often found at small airports.

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#559530 Nov 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. poverty is merely a symptom of the disease ..
What disease is that; crime?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559531 Nov 6, 2012
leahisadoll wrote:
genesis was the only account ever to have put the creation so accurate.
Here's the creation myth from Genesis:

[1] JEHOVAH-JESUS (Christian) "In the beginning, God created the universe. At first the earth was shapeless and covered in darkness, and God's spirit hovered over the waters. God said, "Let there be light". And there was light. God divided the day from the night, naming them ' day' and 'night'. This was the first day and God saw that it was good. On the second day God made the heavens to separate the water from the earth and on the third day he raised the dry land up from the waters below the heavens and commanded the earth to bring forth all plants. God saw that it was good. God then made the greater light for the day and the lesser light for the night, and he saw hat it was good. This was the fourth day. On the fifth day God commanded the waters to fill with living creatures and the air to fill with birds. And he was pleased with what he saw. On the sixth day God commanded the earth to bring forth all kinds of living creatures and he saw that it was good. God then said " Let us make man in our own image". So God created man and woman in his own likeness and gave them authority over all living things. God looked at everything he had made and was very pleased. On the seventh day, God rested." - Genesis

And here are two others, which are just as close to the Big Bang theory and the theories of evolution and plate tectonics :

[2] MARDUK (Babylonian) "The mighty Marduk took his club and split Tiamat’s body in half. He placed half of her body in the sky and made the heavens (space). He created the moon to guard the heavens, and set it moving back and forth, on endless (time) patrol (energy). With the other half of Tiamat's body he made the land.(matter)" http://mesopotamia.mrdonn.org/marduk.html

[3] ODIN (VIKING) "Odin, Vili, and Vé killed the giant Ymir. The sons of Bor then ... made the world (matter) from him. From his blood they made the sea and the lakes; from his flesh the earth; from his hair the trees; and from his bones the mountains. They made rocks and pebbles from his teeth and jaws and those bones that were broken. Maggots appeared in Ymir's flesh and came to life (life). By the decree of the gods they acquired human understanding and the appearance of men, although they lived in the earth and in rocks. From Ymir's skull the sons of Bor made the sky (space)... The sons of Bor flung Ymir's brains into the air, and they became the clouds. Then they took the sparks and burning embers that were flying about after (time) they had been blown out of Muspell, and placed them in the midst of Ginnungagap to give light to heaven above and earth beneath (energy). To the stars they gave appointed places and paths." http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation.html

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559532 Nov 6, 2012
leahisadoll wrote:
Scientist once believed that sun revoled around the earth lol ..
That was not the claim of scientists. That was the claim of priests. Scientists like Galileo, Copernicus, Keppler, and Newton put that claim to the lie. Priests like Urban VIII fought it tooth and nail, even arresting Galileo for refusing to recant his "blasphemy."
leahisadoll wrote:
The Bible is divine. Maybe u should study it,
I used to teach it.

“Ditat Deus”

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#559533 Nov 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. do you think the prison system sees remorse, repentance and acceptance of Christianity as an affirmation of a higher moral code ??..
.. if so, doesn't it the same pattern as religion: sin, repentance and forgiveness. Then, do it again ??..
.. is the prison system trying to instill religion or a code of ethics? In either case, does it fail because it does not attack the underlining cause ??..
No, it has nothing to do with the "prison system", it all has to do with the prisoners themselves.

It seems like most of them "find God" while they're in prison, probably because they feel like if "God" is on their side, they'll be protected or get an early release or something.

Then as soon as they are out, they drop God & pick up their bad habits again.

“Ditat Deus”

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#559534 Nov 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. the corruption of spirituality ..
So to you, spirituality currupts people, is a disease & causes poverty??

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559535 Nov 6, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Sorta like being in church, huh?
No, not at all. There's no theory in church, it's all fact...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559536 Nov 6, 2012
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't matter, they still have a belief in your deity/religion/myth.
They are Christians.
Even atheist inmates "find God" while they're in prison, duder...

“Ditat Deus”

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#559537 Nov 6, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Greed.
Oh God....

Why do people want to label everything a "disease"?

“Jesus is Love”

Since: Jul 12

Hutchinson, MN

#559538 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>This is all because I said you can't see your "LITTLE karl" over your saggy man-boobs isn't it? That was yesterday..quit living in the past man. Or is the age thing catching up to ya and you think it just happened?
You are slaughtering Karl. Good job.

“Ditat Deus”

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#559539 Nov 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak about lust like disaster following it is inevitable - as if you will end up committing adultery or raping if you don't beat it down. I don't understand that. It is like saying that one should never covet an object like a car for fear that he will steal it. That's a huge leap.
Lust is not hard to control - at least not for everybody. Like fire, out of control, it can be destructive. But when controlled, it can power an engine or cook a feast.
I am monogamous. I express my lust with only one person. I enjoy looking at other women, but get worked up with only one. My wife is very content with that. She likes that I have those urges, but reserve them for her. She likes being the only object of my lust in action. If I could extinguish the lust, both of our lives would be less rich. Why would I do that? Why would I try to extinguish that fire? Because a priest said so?
Do you understand that "lust" does not mean sexual lust only? There are many ways one can lust....

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