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Nov 5, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
Did I tell you about the time when I put the Wolf spider under my psychiatrist's coffee cup when he was searching for a book?
When he picked up the cup, the spider dropped in his lap. It was classic. He had to change his clothes. He blamed it on me but I just smiled.
Are you Wednesday Addams? http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Once again, great points.
People who don't even know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon think nothing of what they will do for an eternity.
Woody also said, "I'm not afraid of dying. I just don't want to be there when it happens."
Thanks.

Here's my favorite scene from Woody Allen. It comes out of "Play It Again Sam." https://www.youtube.com/watch...

Max - Woody Allen's character - who is newly single, is at an art museum with his best friend's wife in order to meet and maybe pick up some women. They see a young woman standing by herself gazing up at a huge abstract painting. Max decides to approach her with this ice breaker:

MAX : It's quite a lovely Jackson Pollock, isn't it?

YOUNG WOMAN : Yes, it is.

MAX : What does it say to you?

YOUNG WOMAN : It restates the negativeness of the universe. The hideous, lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness. The predicament of man forced to live in a barren, godless eternity like a tiny flame, flickering in an immense void, with nothing but waste, horror and degradation forming a useless, bleak straight-jacket in a black, absurd cosmos.

MAX : What are you doing Saturday?

YOUNG WOMAN : Committing suicide.

MAX : What about Friday night?

(The look she gives him as she walks away is priceless)

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Nov 5, 2012
 
River Tam wrote:
That's the problem. Why are all the smart people old? I think god should let people live to be 900 or so. What? Apparently, that didn't work out. i guess I'll be on my own for a time ;)
Thanks, I think.

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<quoted text>In which case, we can all agree that the story of Genesis-Solomon- Moses were all allegories and not real. Correct?
Just because something is told in an allegorical way doesn't mean it's not true...

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Why must it always be personal for you? Do I insult you or even discuss you personally? No. As personal as I get with you is to share dog data and tell you a joke.
I had called you on this behavior once or twice before, and forgiven you thereafter. But it's obviously a habit of thought with you, and won't end. So be it. I take it as permission to go further with you, and I will.
I see this as a character deficiency in you, one I see in most Christians. If one criticizes their god or religion, they swarm like hornets. I don't blame you beyond your capitulation to faith. This behavior is implicit in your church's instruction and example.
Your church builds small people. We can do better without it.
Now, do you want to behave civilly, or continue in this manner? I won't tolerate your insolence. And I think that I can defeat you in any battle. Your choice, Christian.
"insolence"??

"win a battle"????

LMAO! That wasn't a personal attack, sorry you took it that way. I made an observation about you & how you often misinterpret the "first sentence" of shit you read.

So funny, you talk about me attacking, then you say shit like "Your church builds small people. We can do better without it."

Make up your mind.

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Studied? What's so hard about interpreting our bible?

[1] "In the beginning ..." = "Once upon a time ..."

[2] "Amen." = "And they lived happily ever after."
Thanks for showing what I mean about studying the Bible.

Again, you got it all wrong.
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Why must it always be personal for you? Do I insult you or even discuss you personally? No. As personal as I get with you is to share dog data and tell you a joke.
I had called you on this behavior once or twice before, and forgiven you thereafter. But it's obviously a habit of thought with you, and won't end. So be it. I take it as permission to go further with you, and I will.
I see this as a character deficiency in you, one I see in most Christians. If one criticizes their god or religion, they swarm like hornets. I don't blame you beyond your capitulation to faith. This behavior is implicit in your church's instruction and example.
Your church builds small people. We can do better without it.
Now, do you want to behave civilly, or continue in this manner? I won't tolerate your insolence. And I think that I can defeat you in any battle. Your choice, Christian.
Sorry, but there is not even any god at all!

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Sorry, but there is not even any god at all!
Sorry, but there is a God. Of course.
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Why must it always be personal for you? Do I insult you or even discuss you personally? No. As personal as I get with you is to share dog data and tell you a joke.
I had called you on this behavior once or twice before, and forgiven you thereafter. But it's obviously a habit of thought with you, and won't end. So be it. I take it as permission to go further with you, and I will.
I see this as a character deficiency in you, one I see in most Christians. If one criticizes their god or religion, they swarm like hornets. I don't blame you beyond your capitulation to faith. This behavior is implicit in your church's instruction and example.
Your church builds small people. We can do better without it.
Now, do you want to behave civilly, or continue in this manner? I won't tolerate your insolence. And I think that I can defeat you in any battle. Your choice, Christian.
You should jump about your own border to be free of any (nonexisting) god!
Henry

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Magic is as descriptive as the bible on the matter. How does your god do what he does that is better described in other words? Are there forces or laws at work? If so, please describe them, and how you know about them.
For all we are told about it, your god might fold his arms in the horizontal and twitches his nose like Jeannie. Or like this witch : https://www.youtube.com/watch... [four second video]
Why should a god anything do? Anything is just imagination nothing else. So let this "spaghettimonster" rest in peace!

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Just because something is told in an allegorical way doesn't mean it's not true...
It means that it's fiction. From Wiki: "Allegory is a device in which characters or events represent or symbolize ideas and concepts."

Allegory is the indirect expression of a position or opinion. If can't be true or false.

"One of the best known examples is Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave". In this allegory, there are a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall by things passing in front of a fire behind them, and begin to ascribe forms to these shadows. According to the allegory, the shadows are as close as the prisoners get to viewing reality."

This is Plato's opinion in allegory. It is a fiction representing Plato's understanding of how the mind relates to the reality outside of it. neither true nor false.

Aesop's fables are also allegory. The characters are fictions, and the moral lessons that they intend to impart are neither true nor false.

The claims in the bible are presented as historical fact, and huge swaths of them have been falsified. The creation myth is presented as historical fact. So is the Garden story. Adam and Eve are presented as historical figures, not allegories for early man. So are Abraham and Moses. So are the flood, the Egyptian captivity, the plagues, the Exodus, the burning bush, and the conquest of Jericho. None of them are factual, and none were written as allegory. A flat earth is not an allegory for a spherical earth. It is merely an error.

And until modernity, you questioned the literal truth of the bible under peril of death by stoning, burning, impaling, stretching and/or being twisted to death.

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Telling people they shouldn't even covet or lust for that buxom young neighbor, is like telling somebody not to think of a pink elephant.
The reason people give into temptation is because it is easy to do.

Of course it is harder to do the right thing

But should a moral code be built on what is easiest or what is right?
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Of course that's how it works. You all do it. Aren't many if not most of you people calling the creation myths an allegory these days? That's biblical revisionism. You did that at your own peril in the days before science embarrassed your church and our bible.
Science is the death of any religion!
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Studied? What's so hard about interpreting our bible?
[1] "In the beginning ..." = "Once upon a time ..."
[2] "Amen." = "And they lived happily ever after."
Everything in between is the part with the witches, behemoths, great fish, leviathans, talking snakes satyrs, dragons, cockatrices, unicorns and giants.
There's even a talking ass.
The bible is anything like scientific!
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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>In which case, we can all agree that the story of Genesis-Solomon- Moses were all allegories and not real. Correct?
What else than fairy tales!

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Why? I think the former makes more sense. If the former is unlikely, the latter is perforce essentially impossible. I just said: specks and blind, impotent, mortal cells can exist without an intelligent designer with far less difficulty that an immortal, infinite, sentient, omniscient, omnipotent moral creature.
You can ignore that again - I already said it once, and you simply repeated your same claim without addressing this huge hurdle - but the hurdle will not go away simply because you prefer a god to no god.
You state your opinion as if it is fact and then say I have essentially ignored that fact. I disagree with your assertion.At the end of the day there are two choices, that a vast, working universe with anatomically matching creatures for reproduction and moon and stars and gravitational pill and proximity to a sun and etc, etc, etc all just happened by chance where it was incredibly fortuitous for us everything fell into proper place or it was the result of an intelligence force guiding it. I believe the latter.

What makes you think cells or specks can exist without a designer with far less difficulty? For starters you don't know that they do. And why would it be easier for them to exist because they were not the result of God? Perhaps I need you to clarity your statement because I am not following your point.It seems the only argument against a creator verses everything just luckily by chance turning into a working galaxy complete with self-replicating life forms and God is the argument well God would need a creator. I say, says who? Time and space always existed, why not God? There are some things that could have always existed. Mortals aren't one of them. And evolution without God as the driving force would be easier to accept if there also wasn't an entire galaxy and solar system behind it.That can't be fluke IMO

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It means that it's fiction. From Wiki: "Allegory is a device in which characters or events represent or symbolize ideas and concepts."
That doesn't mean fiction. Again....
And until modernity, you questioned the literal truth of the bible under peril of death by stoning, burning, impaling, stretching and/or being twisted to death.
What did "I" question? Sorry, you've got the wrong Christian. I've never stoned anyone to death.

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Science is the death of any religion!
Why are you so afraid?

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"One of the best known examples is Plato's "The Allegory of the Cave".
This is Plato's opinion in allegory. It is a fiction representing Plato's understanding of how the mind relates to the reality outside of it. neither true nor false.
Aesop's fables are also allegory. The characters are fictions, and the moral lessons that they intend to impart are neither true nor false.
Yes but those tales are told as fictitious and told completely as allegory.

Whereas the Bible is told as truth, and only some of it is told as allegory.

Look, I know you hate Christianity and organized religions in general, but twisting fact & adding fiction doesn't make your opinion any stronger OR more valid....

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Henry wrote:
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The bible is anything like scientific!
Well shit, henry... With an argument like that you just might convert some people.

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