Prove there's a god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559435 Nov 6, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
No silly ..Henry you know you're supposed to eat the spaghetti monster! With cheese!
Cheese's Crust has come for our salivation (I Romano 1:2). Do not merely shave him off and cast him aside.

Nor should you forget the Ten Condiments of our Savory, who was born of extra virgin olive oil - Mother Marinara - lest you be thrown out of the Olive Garden.

After being pierced by a twirling fork, the Flying Spaghetti Monster was heaved at the wall, where he stuck and dried for your sins.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559436 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
I dont agree an infinite being needs a creator.
I would say such a magnificent object needs a creator even more than a mostly empty and inert clockwork universe.

But let us not kid one another. You believe because of an urge to believe, not because of a compelling, rational argument. Your argument is fallacious. It depends on special pleading. Since you need the universe to have a creator, but not for the creator to need one, you simply declare that it so.

You pronounce that the universe is simply too impressive not to have been designed, and therefore MUST have a designer. But when asked why your even more impressive god is an exception, we'll, he just is. You simply declare that you don't think "an infinite being needs a creator" and move on.

I cannot be convinced by such an argument.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#559437 Nov 6, 2012
Teez wrote:
<quoted text>
My bad. I apologise for jumping to that conclusion. But, if you believe that all that planets, stars, etc., are created by processes that God has nothing to do with, what then is the purpose of a God? On this, apart from the lack of understanding that you pointed out and I agreed with, there are questions which I posed that, as much as they seem mumbo jumbo, require answers.
And philosophers come-up with fairy tale ideas from nothing?
Take your own advice. I never said that there is no such thing as evolution. So, can you evolve into a new born baby?
You are here to waste time.

Not today

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559438 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
@IANS...i think I may see what the disconnect has been. IF (which I am not sure you are saying) the specks you are talking about always existed then that is one thing. Yes if I think an entity as complex as God could have always existed without a creator than of course a less complicated form such as specks would be even more possible that is could exist without a creator. If both are infinite. My issue is what happens next. Which is more likely? That these specks that always existed just up and formed and entire working universe complete with self-replicating species or that God always existed and because He is a vastly intelligent being he set those events in motion? It isnt just whether one or the other could have always existed it is whether the universe could be formed without intelligent guidance is my issue.(T) PEACE
You're making it too complex. Reword it, and you might get my point. What would be the description of the least likely thing to exist. Try to describe anything less likely than a single god. Even a race of gods is more likely than that. Everything else that exists seems to be one of many. Even the universe itself may be one of many, at least according to one leasing cosmogony, the multiverse hypothesis.

Sure, gods might exist. But I'm picturing an eternal amprphous substance that buds universes of every possible type from it. One day in the multiverse - and it had to happen eventually given the nature of the infinite and eternal - a singularity pinched off and expanded in just the right way. Actually, it should happen many times. Why not? Anything that can happen will happen repeatedly given the time.

Sure, that's way out there. But something is the case, and the amorphous blob seems sufficient and infinitely more likely than the perfect, infinite, immortal, morally perfected, omniscient, omnipotent object that you required by your hypothesis. Remember Occam and his Razor. Why assume the least likely thing that could exist does exist, when a mindless blob can do the job? Remember, whatever is not impossible is certain over eternity.

Anyway, it's probably easier for you to just worship a perfect god than deal with all of that. That's fine. But that's where I'm at, and why I can never join you again.

BTW, even the multiverse is natural. There is no supernatural. The word is meaningless. The multiverse may be other-worldly, and its laws may be foreign to us. But if it exists, it is nature, too.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#559439 Nov 6, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Lust is a moral problem because it inclines one to perceive and to treat another solely as an object of desire or enjoyment. The lustful heart beats for flesh, not for a person.
I have to disagree, Al. I am grateful to be able to experience lust, just as I am grateful to experience beauty, and humor, and love, too. I am grateful to have an appetite for life, for good food, for travel, for art, and for sex. Why should I be ashamed of any of them? They're all under control. The only one that actually has to be actively controlled is eating.

My lustful heart beats for flesh all right, and it's a great feeling. And it doesn't diminish my respect for the person, who is an object of pleasure at that time. What's wrong with that? I like being such an object myself, so why shouldn't a lover feel the same? In some cultures, and for some spiritual geniuses, lust and sex are elevated art forms.

Why would you say otherwise? I'll bet you feel much the same way. I think that religious instruction has misdirected you, and possibly denied you full enjoyment of the faculties that you were born with.
Tyrone

Melbourne, AR

#559440 Nov 6, 2012
Prove there is not!

Since: Oct 07

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#559441 Nov 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
He cares about saving his soul from torture. To do that, he'll hate whatever he thinks his god hates.
Seems like ass kissing behavior to me.

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#559442 Nov 6, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to disagree, Al. I am grateful to be able to experience lust, just as I am grateful to experience beauty, and humor, and love, too. I am grateful to have an appetite for life, for good food, for travel, for art, and for sex. Why should I be ashamed of any of them? They're all under control. The only one that actually has to be actively controlled is eating.
My lustful heart beats for flesh all right, and it's a great feeling. And it doesn't diminish my respect for the person, who is an object of pleasure at that time. What's wrong with that? I like being such an object myself, so why shouldn't a lover feel the same? In some cultures, and for some spiritual geniuses, lust and sex are elevated art forms.
Why would you say otherwise? I'll bet you feel much the same way. I think that religious instruction has misdirected you, and possibly denied you full enjoyment of the faculties that you were born with.
Double Fine is not lustful in the least.

Not even a little.

Nada.

Not me.

Nope.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#559443 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>And poverty is the main factor behind crime, not what someone's religious beliefs are. Let me try to explain this.
.. poverty is merely a symptom of the disease ..

Since: Oct 07

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#559444 Nov 6, 2012
Tyrone wrote:
Prove there is not!
Like we haven't heard that one before :).... There are pages and pages and pages of comments that adress that issue right here on this thread. Google is your friend!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#559445 Nov 6, 2012
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Of course. No different than a pilot's manual or manifesto.
Is that why you don't adhere to it?
LMAO!

So you think that uf one simply reads a pilot's manual, one can now fly an airplane?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559447 Nov 6, 2012
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Science is the death of any religion!
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
RIP!
You would like that, huh?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but science only strenghtens Christianity, it doesn't weaken it....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559448 Nov 6, 2012
HeHe wrote:
<quoted text>
So in other words it can mean anything you want it to.
Nope.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559449 Nov 6, 2012
Urvashi wrote:
God doesn't exist!!!!Watch 'Ancient Alien' on youtube.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Are you high?
lol

I watched that show, very interesting. But I think that only those that are really stupid (or high) would believe anything that show says. The narrator says "as ancient alien theorists BELIEVE" like avery 2 minutes.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#559450 Nov 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
What you fail to see is that people who are not so trained, not so encultured, can easily point out the logical failures of Christianity. It's a system that only makes sense if you're fully immersed in it - like every religion.
Very good. People that are not trained or learned in Christianity 'know' all about it & can point out any & all 'faults'....

wow

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#559451 Nov 6, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Henry is brilliant!
You just lost like 100 points.....

henry says shit like "of course never a god at all"

...

And that's it.

Since: Nov 12

West Helena, AR

#559452 Nov 6, 2012
Apocalypse666 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure right here.
God said that he gave man free will.
People whom are mentally ill or mentally retarded have limited control over their actions or impulses.
A mentally ill person in a comatose state or just a normal person in a coma have no free will.
Being that not everybody has free will over the actions of there bodies or the thoughts in there heads including Tourettes syndrome not all people where given free will.
If all people do not have free will then god could have not given all people free will.
We only sin because we have free will but since all people do not have free will sin does not exist
well for one thing adam and eve messed that up for us ... they sin by eating from the tree and for one why do we have ppl that are mental is b/c thats part of the world we have to deal with untill we get to heaven ... and i feel like this is a tempory home for us and kinda of a test to see how we use our free will ... but god did say that he made man with free will but that was before adam and eve sin so theres your answer thank you god and amen!!!!!!!

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#559453 Nov 6, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. poverty is merely a symptom of the disease ..
Good day, Happy *smooch*

A great comment.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#559454 Nov 6, 2012
Al Garcia wrote:
<quoted text>
Lust is a moral problem because it inclines one to perceive and to treat another solely as an object of desire or enjoyment. The lustful heart beats for flesh, not for a person.
That's a better argument. Let's say both parties desire to treat each other as sexual objects of enjoyment. Is this immoral in your view?

It's not in mine.

:p

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#559455 Nov 6, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Well thats the $100,000 question. Is it intentional God does not want us to have proof. The Bible says only a sinful and faithless generation demands proof. Or is there no proof because God doesnt exist? A third possibility may be God simply lost interest in us. And a fourth is proof is all around us but just not in the way we are used to. Spiritual proof is measured less empirically and more intuitively. I personally believe God is a big picture entity.He didnt make it 67 degrees instead of 68 degrees where Im at imo. He says here are the rules, I will help guide u but essentially this life is a test and our fate is decided at the finish line. JMO.But I think whether science, faith or whatever man will be in a constant search to learn more, as he should be.(T) PEACE X 4..LOL
Or A) there are no deities.

:)

Anyways, you take a more sophisticated, more thought out position with regards to Christianity. It's good.

PEACE X 6!

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