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#558816 Nov 3, 2012
@Hiding...dont know how i cut off rest of my post about sins of thought. But doesnt your own moral code tell you it is wrong to lust after another man's wife or to want to cheat on your wife or to be jealous of others?You saiid religion created sin to control but only God knows what one thinks and if the idea is to be moral in both thought and deed because it is the right way to live, how is that a negative?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558817 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>An infinite entity wouldn't need to be created any more than time or space needed to be created. What are the 'mechanisms' you have learned and the evidence to support them?
You enjoy being a parrot?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558818 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
@Hiding...dont know how i cut off rest of my post about sins of thought. But doesnt your own moral code tell you it is wrong to lust after another man's wife or to want to cheat on your wife or to be jealous of others?You saiid religion created sin to control but only God knows what one thinks and if the idea is to be moral in both thought and deed because it is the right way to live, how is that a negative?
So you are asserting that it is wrong just to feel the base instinctual behaviors that most humans are born with. In other words, you make the perfect excuse for hating everyone.

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#558819 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You believe this sort of thing?
Or are you just telling us what's in the bible as an academic exercise?
Both. I believe man has an oppoertunity for an after-life through faithfullness and obedience to the teachings of Christ and trusting in Him for salvation. I beliieve those that dont do this will simply die as they would have anyway since death comes to all men. But dead is dead at that point. I dont believe people suffer for eternity in hell. There are dozens of verses that state the way to save one's soul from death. I dont see dying as one would anyway as disproportionately cruel. They just do not receive the award of an after-life from God who they either didnt believe in or rejected anyway. JMO PEACE

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558821 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Both. I believe man has an oppoertunity for an after-life through faithfullness and obedience to the teachings of Christ and trusting in Him for salvation. I beliieve those that dont do this will simply die as they would have anyway since death comes to all men. But dead is dead at that point. I dont believe people suffer for eternity in hell. There are dozens of verses that state the way to save one's soul from death. I dont see dying as one would anyway as disproportionately cruel. They just do not receive the award of an after-life from God who they either didnt believe in or rejected anyway. JMO PEACE
Why do you hate babies?

Since: Jul 09

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#558822 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Can't beat the brotherhood around here I tell ya. I didn't claim YD threatened or didn't threaten anyone, I assumed she didn't threaten anyone. If I said "I bet...." I didn't mean that literally. Did she threaten anyone? You tell me. And did someone from topix stalk her or harrass her in any similar way? You tell me. I'm just drawing conclusions from what nano said. She's been around here longer than I have.
nano is ill

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#558823 Nov 3, 2012
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh my...
I haven't posted in a few days & there's like 1,000 posts...
I can't keep up like this :(
.. cute dog !! Is he yours ??..

Since: Jul 09

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#558824 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah.
Do these pants make me look fat?
only in the back

Since: Mar 09

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#558825 Nov 3, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Lay off the mushrooms.
He's even worse sober!Although his addiction would be legendary of stupidity was a drug!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558826 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Both. I believe man has an oppoertunity for an after-life through faithfullness and obedience to the teachings of Christ and trusting in Him for salvation. I beliieve those that dont do this will simply die as they would have anyway since death comes to all men. But dead is dead at that point. I dont believe people suffer for eternity in hell. There are dozens of verses that state the way to save one's soul from death. I dont see dying as one would anyway as disproportionately cruel. They just do not receive the award of an after-life from God who they either didnt believe in or rejected anyway. JMO PEACE
So your god would prefer a believer who leads a so-so life to a nonbeliever who lives a life of honesty, integrity, service and goodness, always showing compassion for her fellow human beings?

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#558827 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I dont want to look like I am arguing semantics but it is an important distinction I'd like to make. It isnt the concept of sin that is problamatic as it is simply a moral code.The control comes from fear and consequences of sin, especially what I view is an unsupported belief that hell is eternal for mortals when that only holds true for the false prophet and beast. The Bible teaches anillihation, which is what Christ taught and it what Judaism believes. But the threat of suffering forever coupled with the guilt of never being good enough or worthy has long been used as a means of control. And in many ways organized religion is little more than a pyramid scheme. But corrupt members dont invalidate Jesus' teachings any more than corrupt politicians invalidate what this country stands for.(T) PEACE
ya

each "christian" believes himself to have perfect understanding and kinship with the god.

christianity is a moral failure, one of the very best proofs that it is NOT the philosophy of a god.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558828 Nov 3, 2012
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
only in the back
If you want to impress by putting a potato in your pants, it's better to put it in the front.

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#558829 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>Arrogance huh? Please tell me what is arrogant in what I wrote. I asked nicely for answers because I didn't know them. You claimed to know them. That pretty much answers my question then, thanks. So YD *was* harrassed. You guys are twisted.
if you intend to defend that tub of feces you should put on a rubber suit.

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#558830 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you hate babies?
Your posting style bores me. Makes me feel like I am talking to an adolecent with a stick jammed up their a$$. But the books of Numbers and Deut show that people were not responsible for their disparing words against God unless they were 21 and counted in the census. Jesus also says for one to enter Heaven they must be like a child. He rebuked a diciple from trying to keep children from coming to Him and says those that lead children into sin deserve to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown in the river. And the ones that led them to sin were the guilty ones. Deut says children do not know the difference between right and wrong. So I believe there is plenty of support for an 'age of accountability'. The Bible also speaks of those who REJECT Christ which obviously a child has not done

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#558831 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Your posting style bores me. Makes me feel like I am talking to an adolecent with a stick jammed up their a$$. But the books of Numbers and Deut show that people were not responsible for their disparing words against God unless they were 21 and counted in the census. Jesus also says for one to enter Heaven they must be like a child. He rebuked a diciple from trying to keep children from coming to Him and says those that lead children into sin deserve to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown in the river. And the ones that led them to sin were the guilty ones. Deut says children do not know the difference between right and wrong. So I believe there is plenty of support for an 'age of accountability'. The Bible also speaks of those who REJECT Christ which obviously a child has not done
Oh, you also hate intelligence.

Since: Jul 09

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#558832 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>And more of the gang gangs up. I am speaking scientifically; there is no religion in my words except to say this all started with me comparing science to religion; that they both are based on fundamental assumptions.
Actually I'll give you that one can argue science doesn't necessarily assume fundamental forces are indeed fundamental. And that's all Hiding had to say and I would have said, "yea I suppose you're right". But she had to go and embarrass herself by going into "smokescreen mode" and telling me that she believes science can never attain anything absolute and that it's absurd to assume fundamental forces have no more fundamental of a cause.
So I may have to modify what I originally wrote. Let's see. Maybe I would have been better off by prequalifying it with, "if science wants to declare that fundamental forces are indeed fundamental, then we are basing science on an assumption". And Hiding is pretty much pushing for them being fundamental, without a cause. You seem to be doing it as well.
All I was getting at was that the absolute answers might change everything about what we thought we knew. And with that I'll remind you that science does actually operate on one thing that is irrefutably an assumption. That assumption is that we are observing a first order reality. How do we know that what we see is what we get? Until we can connect it to something absolute this could all be an illusion. Not saying it is, but it could be. You wouldn't want to assume it isn't either right? Not based on anything scientific anyway right?
to the extent that the reality we perceive is consistent, then it is accurate to the bounds of that consistency.

your inability to see this speaks to your rational instability.

science provides us with the very best explanation we have, and when improvements are made to that understanding then we will still have the very best explanation possible.

You wish a reality that is subject to your fears and hopes, there is no evidence that "shared reality" is malleable. Your "personal reality" is another matter as you well demonstrate.

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#558833 Nov 3, 2012
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
ya
each "christian" believes himself to have perfect understanding and kinship with the god.
christianity is a moral failure, one of the very best proofs that it is NOT the philosophy of a god.
So thats why you dont believe in God?And I never claimed to have a perfect understanding. Hey do you still think man never had a beginning and rejject abiogenesis and the possibility of intelligent life on other planets? And have you informed the scientific community they no longer need to try to discover anything any more since if it existed science would already have proof of it?

Since: Jul 09

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#558834 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
Testable hypotheses have not gotten us to anything absolute. So maybe it's time to make untestable hypotheses and just sit on them until someone finds a way to do it? Transcendant consciousness. That's a hypothesis. Mind and brain are the same thing; that's another. Those types of hypotheses will be filed waaay above the ones that include pink unicorns. But not if you guys have your way
not above at all

same as

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#558835 Nov 3, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Hmm, perhaps I missed something.
Are you denying mountain-building by vulcanism and plate tectonics?
Both are readily observed and measurable today.
I cite the Hawaiian Islands, which until very recently were NOT islands, and the Himalayas, which are still growing higher.
Ararat (not a single mountain, BTW, but a massif with two major peaks both called "Ararat") is a pretty good example of both phenomena.
No not denying that it happens at all. Geologists have demonstrated this. Ararat is a massif. Not many people know that. But I still find the evidence more compelling that there was water at 14,000 feet there at one time during the early years of man. The pillow lava is consistent with this.

Since: Jul 09

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#558836 Nov 3, 2012
Pokay wrote:
<quoted text>I see you are trained in diversion as well. Glad you agree work is involved. Power is the rate at which work is done. Can you do work without power? Maybe time does not exist in the realm of fundamental forces aye? Well if so then we have a bigger problem because they still cause work to be done and, still, fundamental forces are most likely not truly fundamental. "the total work along a path is similarly the time-integral of instantaneous power applied along the trajectory of the point of application"
that would be limited to 4 dimensions.

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