Since: Mar 09

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#558843 Nov 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Oh, you also hate intelligence.
LOL...Yeah you are just too smart for me

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#558844 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
@Hiding...dont know how i cut off rest of my post about sins of thought. But doesnt your own moral code tell you it is wrong to lust after another man's wife or to want to cheat on your wife or to be jealous of others?You saiid religion created sin to control but only God knows what one thinks and if the idea is to be moral in both thought and deed because it is the right way to live, how is that a negative?
No, my moral code doesn't tell me lust is wrong. It tells me that lust is healthy. Acting on it, without consent of the interested parties, may be wrong in some cultures.

Yes, religion - specifically the Abrahamic ones - invented the concept of "sin." It doesn't exist in other cultures as such. I reject the existence of your deity, so I see no point in basing an argument on its whims. However, your religion is a means of producing and reproducing culture. So your justification of "sin" through the mind of your deity is an example of how "sin" works, how the mechanism of control functions.

As a believer, it's real for you. It actually shapes your behavior and thought processes. In your words above you are solidifying its control over you.

Since: Mar 09

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#558845 Nov 3, 2012
Sorry Catcher...didnt see you wrote that..I thought it was from Kitten-kodder. Although still....really? Come on, I expect better from ya than my God gives kids diseases. To think that you would have to believe in him and you dont and I believe in him and dont think that.

Since: Mar 09

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#558846 Nov 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, my moral code doesn't tell me lust is wrong. It tells me that lust is healthy. Acting on it, without consent of the interested parties, may be wrong in some cultures.
Yes, religion - specifically the Abrahamic ones - invented the concept of "sin." It doesn't exist in other cultures as such. I reject the existence of youn its whims. However, your relg and reproducing culture. So your justification of "sin" through the mind of your deity is an example of how "sin" works, how the mechanism of control functions.
As a believer, it's real for you. It actually shapes your behavior and thought processes. In your words above you are solidifying its control over you.
I didnt say lust in general. I was speaking to coveting another man's life. And of course a moral code I respect amd believe in is going to influence me. I allow it to because it advoates such things as love thy neighter and do Unto others as you'd have them do unto you

Since: Mar 09

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#558847 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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I think supernatural stuff is for children, like the invisible friend sitting with them on the bus seat.
But by age 8 or 9 at the latest, critical thinking should click in and hocus pocus should be left behind.
I believe this would be the natural maturing process, but for enculturation and indoctrination.
Its a free country

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558849 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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So your god would prefer a believer who leads a so-so life to a nonbeliever who lives a life of honesty, integrity, service and goodness, always showing compassion for her fellow human beings?
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Faithfullness AND obedience is required. The book of John quotes Jesus as saying we can do nothing apart from the father as we are all branches on the same tree. Those that refuse to be obedient are cut off and burned away. Jesus stayed in the Father's love by obedience and so must we be obedient to stay in Christ's love. There are dozens of similiar versus that say basically the same thing as far as why obedience is needed.(T) PEACE
That's reason enough for me to reject the whole Christian thing.

In the unlikely chance that there is a god, it can't possibly be such an unfair creature.

It makes no sense to me--it's just dogma, and unacceptable dogma.

You have drunk the kool-aid. I can't do that. My critical thinking won't allow it.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558850 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Sorry Catcher...didnt see you wrote that..I thought it was from Kitten-kodder. Although still....really? Come on, I expect better from ya than my God gives kids diseases. To think that you would have to believe in him and you dont and I believe in him and dont think that.
A decent omnipotent god wouldn't permit that.

If there is a god, it ALLOWS it to happen.

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#558851 Nov 3, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ah. How is that different from a fear motivating manipulation technique?
The Bible says those who love God will obey him. Nobody is suposed to be obeying just to be rewarded as the motivation is transparent. Where is the fear behind wanting to do what is right?

Since: Mar 09

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#558853 Nov 3, 2012
@Catcher[quote]My critical thinking won't allow it.[quote]Whats unfair about Jesus saying you dont get a free ride simply by believing you must also live your faith (obedience) and live the correct way. Yeah how dare he expect people to follow love your enemy, neighbor, and brother and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Honestly Catcher I think your problem is you cant believe. And instead of leaving it at that you need to demonize the idea of God so you can pretend thats why you dont believe. God could match your moral code and thoughts 100% and you still wouldnt believe. Thats fine By me, free country and all but dont pretend you are rejecting him based on some moral stand. You just dont believe. why cant u leave it at that w\o the other side having to be ur enemy?

Since: Mar 09

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#558855 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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A decent omnipotent god wouldn't permit that.
If there is a god, it ALLOWS it to happen.
Yes God rarely intervenes imo. A consequence of free will, suceptible bodies, genetics, making this planet an unsfae place to be etc is what makes people sick. There would be nois us even being here or us even having free will if God rigged the outcome
Phred

Central Point, OR

#558856 Nov 3, 2012
Rose THeodors wrote:
<quoted text>There is a God. I said it, I wrote it and it is immortalized, so God is. There, proven.
Same goes for flying pigs, too.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558857 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
@Catcher[quote]My critical thinking won't allow it.[quote]Whats unfair about Jesus saying you dont get a free ride simply by believing you must also live your faith (obedience) and live the correct way. Yeah how dare he expect people to follow love your enemy, neighbor, and brother and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Honestly Catcher I think your problem is you cant believe. And instead of leaving it at that you need to demonize the idea of God so you can pretend thats why you dont believe. God could match your moral code and thoughts 100% and you still wouldnt believe. Thats fine By me, free country and all but dont pretend you are rejecting him based on some moral stand. You just dont believe. why cant u leave it at that w\o the other side having to be ur enemy?
Skom, I think you are a good and decent person, and I respect you.

I don't believe in ANYTHING supernatural--witches, ghosts, fairies, astrology, gods, step-on-crack-break-mother's-b ack.

It's just my nature. I'm not discriminating against god or gods, but it is part of the supernatural and I find no evidence to support it.

I don't claim a higher moral ground. But faith is not in my nature. That's the divide between you and me, and we're not going to be able to cross it.

This does not mean we can't respect one another. I have great respect for other believers, such as Al Garcia and our long-lost RockStarAwesome. And one of the finest people I have ever come across was a Christian, a chaplain at my undergraduate school.

Since: Oct 10

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#558858 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
@Hiding...dont know how i cut off rest of my post about sins of thought. But doesnt your own moral code tell you it is wrong to lust after another man's wife or to want to cheat on your wife or to be jealous of others?You saiid religion created sin to control but only God knows what one thinks and if the idea is to be moral in both thought and deed because it is the right way to live, how is that a negative?
What's a wife? OH yeah. Those are the things only heterosexual males can have. How convenient that must be for you. If you don't like the one you have, you can just get rid of her and get another one. Your god is awesome.
Lily the aborter

Phoenix, AZ

#558859 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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And yet these innocent little children sometimes get leukemia.
Nice god you have there.
Or do you have an answer for this one too?
Noooooo Catcher...that is not the way it works. If good things happen, it is because of god. "God gave me the strenth to make it through the bad times"..."God made it rain and saved our crops". If bad things happen, it is because of satan/the devil/ Beelzebub/the evil one/Lucifer/etc. "The devil made him kill those people"..."satan told Patty to push her mom down the stairs".

See if it is good...thank god. If it is bad...blame satan. There has to be a boogey man to blame the bad stuff on. So satan gave those innocent, little children leukemia. And if they go into remission it is because of god's work. That's how it goes in Thumperland.

Since: Oct 10

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#558860 Nov 3, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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If you want to impress by putting a potato in your pants, it's better to put it in the front.
I tried that. It really doesn't impress lesbians. Front or back.

:-p
Lily the aborter

Phoenix, AZ

#558861 Nov 3, 2012
Rose THeodors wrote:
<quoted text>There is a God. I said it, I wrote it and it is immortalized, so God is. There, proven.
Nope, god doesn't exist. I said it, I wrote it and it is immortalized, so there is no god. There, proven.

“Primum non nocere”

Since: Jun 11

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#558862 Nov 3, 2012
There is no way to prove that there is a god that I can think of, I guess that is why it's called faith.

Since: Oct 10

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#558863 Nov 3, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Your posting style bores me. Makes me feel like I am talking to an adolecent with a stick jammed up their a$$. But the books of Numbers and Deut show that people were not responsible for their disparing words against God unless they were 21 and counted in the census. Jesus also says for one to enter Heaven they must be like a child. He rebuked a diciple from trying to keep children from coming to Him and says those that lead children into sin deserve to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown in the river. And the ones that led them to sin were the guilty ones. Deut says children do not know the difference between right and wrong. So I believe there is plenty of support for an 'age of accountability'. The Bible also speaks of those who REJECT Christ which obviously a child has not done
I'm not 21. I REJECT Christ.

Do I get a pass?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#558864 Nov 3, 2012
Phred wrote:
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Same goes for flying pigs, too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ mark-c-miller/pig-born-with-wi ngs_b_812882.html

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#558865 Nov 3, 2012
Lily the aborter wrote:
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Noooooo Catcher...that is not the way it works. If good things happen, it is because of god. "God gave me the strenth to make it through the bad times"..."God made it rain and saved our crops". If bad things happen, it is because of satan/the devil/ Beelzebub/the evil one/Lucifer/etc. "The devil made him kill those people"..."satan told Patty to push her mom down the stairs".
See if it is good...thank god. If it is bad...blame satan. There has to be a boogey man to blame the bad stuff on. So satan gave those innocent, little children leukemia. And if they go into remission it is because of god's work. That's how it goes in Thumperland.
"The old lady who said there must be a devil, else how could they make pictures that looked exactly like him, reasoned like a trained theologian -- like a doctor of divinity. " Robert Green Ingersoll, from "Superstition" (1898)

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